I'm experiencing cognitive dissonance with vaping

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Brianbotkiller

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Ok, so hear me out, here.


Through all of vaping, there have been scares about different things. Formaldehyde, acrolein, etc. some has been debunked, much has been clarified, some is still unclear.


Now, it's "popcorn lung" (the grossest possible name for something, to me) that is the new fear inducer.


My issue, I suppose, is that I am unsure how I feel about vaping at this point because I am experiencing the same dissonance that I had as a smoker. We all tell ourselves, as smokers, that we like it, that we choose what to do, that we will stop when we're ready, etc. etc. we convince ourselves constantly that what we are doing is ok, or in some way we think it is ok. But we KNOW that something is wrong and that smoking is bad for us. We don't need proof, we know it, but we'd keep smoking anyway, most of the time, until something stopped us.


Now I wonder if I've done the same thing with vaping.


Now, I don't vape much anymore. I don't smoke, either. I still love vaping, though, I haven't had a good vape in a long time, and I wonder if it's because my brain has changed because it's telling me, "dude, you shouldn't do these things". It seems that everything I Vape, is just not that good. Could be hardware, could be juice, other factors. I'm a pretty well informed vaper of about four years, so I know what to look for, but nothing really works, now. I want to get a kayyfun and dive into RBAs more, but I wonder if I should, or if I'm just done?


So maybe, all of this stems from the fact that I am still unsure if vaping is something I should keep doing if I'm working to be "healthy".


Don't get me wrong. If there were something incontrovertible that stated that I could smoke or vape all I wanted without risk, I would do it, like crazy. Obviously, nothing will ever be that. I know that. i could die from eating a ....... apple.


I am still unsure which side of the fence I sit on. I've heard this stuff about popcorn lung and Someone needing a transplant from it, still sounds like BS to me. But, I've heard nothing about that person's life. Did they smoke two packs a day before converting? It was enough to make me look at things again and say, "ok man, how long would you plan to do this?".


My question At this point is, should we all just vape VG with no flavoring and nicotine? Would that ensure "safer"? I know there's no such thing, but if it's harm reduction we want, while still enjoying the thing that we loved once but knew would kill us, wouldn't we do everything to achieve that? Is there any such thing as "safe"?


No. We have no assurance that anything is safe. Yes, we are looking to reduce harm, so we can only do as much as possible.


Closing argument: my wife just quit smoking after years of smoking a lot of newports, just quit, a feat I see as immeasurable, and amazingly brave. I had quit, then found vaping, then started analogs again, then cut them out again. I don't miss cigarettes, not most of the time. There are moments. They never go away. I have a nostalgic feel about vaping, though, going back to my first days with a box mod and some KBV juice on a rainy day, thinking, "This is the best thing ever".


Of course, I had that same feeling about smoking, many times over. Perhaps I want that nostalgia back and know it might be hard to find. Perhaps the fact that cigarettes are out of our lives makes me feel different about all of it altogether.


I've probably rambled too much here, and for that, I apologize. I'm basically wondering if anyone else feels this from time to time? Or has other thoughts? Or am I simply over analyzing and should I just enjoy these things?


You don't have to have an answer, but your thoughts are of course appreciated.
 
Some good thoughts here.
I agree with you that nothing is truly "safe" it's hard to tell with out more reliable research just how variables like flavorings and excessive pg exposure will affect us all in the long run, but as you mentioned it's more about harm reduction than safety. Breathing hot gasses in general can't be great for your lungs and I think we can admit to that but the research I have read tends to point to it being far safer than tobacco, it's like comparing the damage done by a BB gun to that of a howitzer. In time hopefully there will be more safety and quality standards but for now we are somewhat stumbling in the dark, but at least stumbling in the right direction.
As far as picking up a Kayfun or another similar device I highly recommend it, I found going into the world of rebuildables renewed my interests in vapeing and gave me a new hobbie to boot! Not to mention being able to really taste your juice in it's best form. There is somthing really great and really rewarding about taking a big tasty vape on your favorite juice on a coil you wrapped and wicked your self :D
 

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After 40 years of smoking, for me I see vaping as harm reduction. However, I have discouraged my 17-year old from trying my DIY flavors, even in no nic - what if she liked it? I'm sure vaping isn't exactly 'good' for you - I doubt it's healthy to take anything but air voluntarily into your lungs - but I am sure it's better than my previous pack a day habit.

I'm pretty sure if I stopped vaping I'd go back to smoking - after all, old habits die hard. So I have really no intention of giving up vaping, although my nic level is greatly reduced (but I vape more). Personally, I don't see nic as particularly harmful (to an old, otherwise healthy ex-smoker).

And, just as an afterthought, from the recent study on pubmed:
'Further, because smoking has not been shown to be a risk factor for bronchiolitis obliterans, our findings are inconsistent with claims that diacetyl and/or 2,3-pentanedione exposure are risk factors for this disease.' The abstract is here: Diacetyl and 2,3-pentanedione exposures ...... [Crit Rev Toxicol. 2014] - PubMed - NCBI
 

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Well, I think most of us switched to vaping for harm reduction. Is it healthy? Nope. Is it healthier? Feels like it, and most studies seem to agree to the extent that they've probed it. I've not heard of people saying that they feel worse for vaping instead of smoking (beyond transitionary discomfort).

Now, if harm reduction is the goal, the most effective application would be to stop vaping, too. Perhaps you're just ready for that. Cool beans - no one should have an issue with that. If your way of making the transition is have a little doubt (fear?) propel you, no one can fault you on that, either. It's certainly motivated many people to exercise, eat better, or be more financially responsible.

The trick, to me, is not to let that doubt own you. Don't not vape out of fear, but rather stop vaping because it just isn't you anymore. I switched from smoking because vaping was the new me. Haven't even thought about having a cigarette since, not because I have determination and beefeater-like discipline, but because I like this new me. The wife does, too, and she hated the I-can-do-this-'cause-I'm-not-gonna-let-cigarettes-rule-me previous quit attempts me.

The take-away is: you're you, and your decisions/motivations are yours, but just make sure you're running to something, not from something.
 
Me thinks you protest too much, It sounds to me like you might feel slightly guilty about vapeing since your wife quit smoking and you still want to vape. I agree with the consensus that if you are just not into it anymore then you should just quit. But if it is a quilt thing you will end up resenting and blaming your wife for you giving up something you liked because she quit completely and you felt compelled to do the same. I would just continue on as your doing,you say you don't vape often so don't vape around your wife. She probably doesn't need the sight of plumes of vaper or the hand to mouth reminder as you vape. I do know that most smokers relapse at some point or are very tempted to relapse. Here is where you and your vapeing can still save her and you might provide a knowlegeable rescue for her at her weakest point. So take the decision one step at a time and let the dice fall as they may, but worrying about it is not worth the brain power. Just be a strong support for your Lady when she needs you! :2c: :)
 

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You are worrying too much imo, and how much is that going to accomplish? ;)

It sounds like you're getting fed a lot of information and you're not sure what to do with it. You seem fully aware that at least some of it is BS, but you don't know how much, and you're getting worried.

I am not going to tell you to continue vaping or quit. What I am going to tell you is that the best defense against misinformation is to educate yourself. When you know exactly where to draw the line between where the truth ends and the lies begin, you will be able to decide based on fact whether or not it is worth it for you to continue vaping.

If you want a head start you can drop by the news and legislation section of the forum - we spend a lot of time there picking apart the latest research studies and news articles on vaping, especially in the media forum. We often find that the news report on a study doesn't actually represent what the study found at all...
 

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Me thinks you protest too much, It sounds to me like you might feel slightly guilty about vapeing since your wife quit smoking and you still want to vape. I agree with the consensus that if you are just not into it anymore then you should just quit. But if it is a quilt thing you will end up resenting and blaming your wife for you giving up something you liked because she quit completely and you felt compelled to do the same. I would just continue on as your doing,you say you don't vape often so don't vape around your wife. She probably doesn't need the sight of plumes of vaper or the hand to mouth reminder as you vape. I do know that most smokers relapse at some point or are very tempted to relapse. Here is where you and your vapeing can still save her and you might provide a knowlegeable rescue for her at her weakest point. So take the decision one step at a time and let the dice fall as they may, but worrying about it is not worth the brain power. Just be a strong support for your Lady when she needs you! :2c: :)

Oh nah , that's not it at all - I was done with smoking before her. She just made the leap full on. She doesn't care if I vape, I'm pretty much the luckiest guy in the world ever when it comes to everything :) For me, the issue is more that I think I'm simply questioning if I still like it as much as I used to. Again, that could be because I'm tired of the hardware I have and want to ensure I have the best juices.
 

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For me, the issue is more that I think I'm simply questioning if I still like it as much as I used to. Again, that could be because I'm tired of the hardware I have and want to ensure I have the best juices.

Ah, now I have it. You are basically wanting us to suggest you buy some new toys!

Yes, you definitely need to buy yourself some new hardware, shiny awe inspiring hardware, maybe two! :D Glad I could help.
 

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Ah, now I have it. You are basically wanting us to suggest you buy some new toys!

Yes, you definitely need to buy yourself some new hardware, shiny awe inspiring hardware, maybe two! :D Glad I could help.

I'm thinking of a Kayfun lite, because it looks easy enough to build. Honestly, I don't like rebuilding very much, but it looks pretty easy to build. Perhaps that'll do the trick :)
 
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