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chopsman00

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I should have done this in the very beginning before I started vaping, then I wouldn't have to play guessing games with my vaping experience. I purchased a Kangertech Subvod Kit which was recommended by the guy in the local vape store and I also purchased two small bottles of 15mg nicotine juice (I guess you know what happened next.) After being throat punched and tasting burnt piss for a day I returned to the store to ask them what I was doing wrong. Well needless to say I was using too higher nicotine juice for a sub ohm vapor. I don't blame the sales clerk, I blame myself for not researching more thoroughly before jumping in. My questions are:

I have seen the Subvod (toptank nano) kit offered elsewhere with a .5, 1.2 and a 1.5 coil. Does this mean I could purchase these 1.2 ohm coils for my Toptank Nano and go higher on my nicotine level? What would be the effects on my battery or any other side effect I may have to consider.
I'm by no means a cloud chaser and started vaping so I could give up smoking, but still get my nicotine. What are your suggestions?

Thanks in advance guys.
 
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Yes, KangerTech makes a wide range of coils for the Subtank/Toptank line, including those you mentioned.

Your particular battery either operates at a constant voltage somewhere around 3.7-4V or else will start around 4.2volts fully charged and slowly drain as you use it (I'm just not sure which it is with the Subvod batt). Because you have no way to change the voltage or wattage, changing the resistance of your atomizer/heating element/coil head in this case is the only way you can fine-tune your experience to a certain degree.

On a battery that is unregulated or gives off constant voltage-- yours is one or the other-- lower resistances will achieve the following: a warmer vape, larger clouds, increased nicotine delivery through sheer volume of vapor and quite possibly increased absorption, decreased battery life, increased stress placed on the battery (but entirely safe in this case).

Higher resistances do... basically the opposite, in terms of "side effects," as it were. Your battery will last longer, it will be a slightly less "rowdy" vape, a cooler vape, and not as much vapor output. As you noted, you can use higher nicotine in this case.

Because your battery puts out no more than 4.2 volts, and possibly less, most people wouldn't find that 1.5ohm very satisfying. It is very common to run a 1.5ohm coil closer to 5V (+/-) on regulated devices, which your battery simply can't do. The 1.2 is a definite possibility, and you could increase your nicotine for certain. I don't know what levels your local store sells, but as much as you can afford you are better off going up slowly in order to find your sweetspot rather than jumping straight back to that 15mg.

Here's the thing: I know we can't all afford to buy everything we want whenever we want it. But as much as possible, the best thing you can do is to fiddle around some to zero in on what you like. If you get bit by the vaping bug, this might be the first of many devices. If you continue to just want to not smoke, then you're just as well taking them time to figure out what makes this battery work for YOU. I can talk at you until I'm blue in the face, and basically have, but in the end my advice may not be right for your style.

That all said, the subvod kit looks like a nice, simple, straightforward piece for beginners. I would continue to see if you like the 0.5ohm coil heads with 6mg nicotine juice or so and you can certainly try the 1.2ohm heads with a higher nicotine juice (say 10-12mg, but this is a guesstimate). There are .5ohm coil heads in both regular kanthal or maybe stainless, and also claptoned kanthal. If you don't know what that is, it's fine, all I'm pointing out is that there are at least four different coil heads you can try on your device. There's absolutely no reason you can't try the 1.5ohm coil heads either, just know that on that battery it might be a weak vape.

DO NOT attempt to use Kanger's 0.15ohm Ni200 (nickel) Subtank/Toptank heads on your device. These are meant for temperature control, which your device definitely doesn't do.

I realize this is a lot to take in so feel free to PM me if there's anything you need beyond this thread or if I can make myself more clear.
 
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Not at all man, and thank you for taking the time to reply. My battery is the 3.7 volt and I don't think I need a 15 mg nicotine level but I would really like to enjoy above a 6 without the repercussions. I just don't know enough as of yet to risk doing anything that I'm not knowledgeable about. I am eventually going to move up to a mod, once I learn enough not to blow myself up..lol Basically it is a nicotine thing for me and I wanted to up my level just a tad more. A buddy of mine has quite a few extra bottles of 9 mg juice and has offered to keep me stocked up. I thought about going up to at least a 1.2 ohm (taking your advice on not choosing the 1.5)
 

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The higher the resistance OHM's the less battery you will use. As far as nicotine goes, its incredibly subjective, personally I used to be a very heavy smoker for 20 years with up to 2 packs a day, yet when I switched to vaping the minimum recommended 16mg juice way WAAAAY too much for me in the 1 ohm coil (jittery, anxious, insomnia etc.) I ended up just buying 10 mil bottles with different mg strengths and testing how I felt. Not enough I went up an mg or 2, too much I went down.

Nicotine in such small levels did not cause any harm for me even at 18mg in an RDA (I did it just to see what happens) Sweating, jittery, hazy vision and almost vomiting for about 1 hour, then fast recovery with drinking lots of water, but no harm or lasting effects.
 
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Not at all man, and thank you for taking the time to reply. My battery is the 3.7 volt and I don't think I need a 15 mg nicotine level but I would really like to enjoy above a 6 without the repercussions. I just don't know enough as of yet to risk doing anything that I'm not knowledgeable about. I am eventually going to move up to a mod, once I learn enough not to blow myself up..lol Basically it is a nicotine thing for me and I wanted to up my level just a tad more. A buddy of mine has quite a few extra bottles of 9 mg juice and has offered to keep me stocked up. I thought about going up to at least a 1.2 ohm (taking your advice on not choosing the 1.5)

I was vaping for years before subohming, so believe me when I say I'm not pushing the .5ohm coil heads, but as I sort of said above you'll have to just kind of figure out what works for you both in terms of resistance and nicotine level. You may find that you are better off using a slightly higher nicotine level (for example, 8mg) in a 0.5ohm head versus more like 10-12mg in a 1.2ohm. You may end up only needing 6mg in the 1.2 once you settle in and are further from the smokes. It really varies a lot.

Just a vaping history side note: when I started vaping, it was super duper common for pack a day smokers to start at 24mg nicotine. This was a combination of products that barely gave you any vapor/poor nic absorption and the community as a whole not yet realizing that for many people, that level is unnecessary in any device. Highly variable though, as has been said. I know you choked with the juice you first picked up, but people DO vape 12-18mg in drippers at high wattages. They are just few and far between.

A good trick to customize your nicotine without DIYing would be, for example, to buy a bottle of 6mg and 12mg juice in the same flavor. Mix them together in equal parts and instead of you've got 9mg.
 
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Let me begin by saying that I'm definitely no "expert" at vaping. I just wanted to offer my 2 cents regarding my own experience with different hardware and coils.

I smoked for 42+ years before getting off them by vaping instead. Smoked 1 - 1 1/2 PAD all that time. I slowly switched over to vaping during 2 1/2 months, and was using 11mg and 6mg nic liquids. It's been 2+ years since I quit the smokes, and I've been vaping 6mg liquids exclusively since then.

I use a variety of clearos & tanks (little Vision Nanos, Innokin 16Ds, Protank Minis, Protank 3), as well as many different types of power sources (from little JoyeTech 510s, eGo 1100mAh, iTaste MVP 2 mods, Evod Mega 1900mAh, Eleaf Mini iStick 10w mods, and Sigelei 50W mods). I buy/use coils from 1.5-2.4ohms for the 16Ds and tanks. I still get a really good vape using the 1.5 coils in a clearo/tank on even the eGo 1100mAh batts, let alone the others I listed after it! I get longer battery life between charges and IMO...I taste the flavor of my DIY liquids even better, too. Even though several of the above can go higher than 4.2v, I still never even vape that high, and I'm still enjoying it! So I must be one of the small minority of vapers who either still have a really good sense of taste and also don't really want big clouds, or...I don't know what I'm missing and need to find out! :D
 
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I bought the Subvod (basic) version.
It outputs 3.7v then stops when it can't anymore.
For me, it was between my normal two preferred powers using the 0.5ohm coil.
I tend to vape 14 watts with 12mg and up to 30 with 6mg. Sometimes more, for fun.
I would seriously not recommend using the toptank with the 1.2ohm coil on that particular battery, though 3.7v with 1.2ohms itself is fine with the right tank. If you want to reduce power get a different tank.

If you have a non variable battery, the trick is to match the coil to your needs and also get the nicotine level right.

Fwiw I could vape 15mg on a Subvod. But - It took me a year to get to even 9 watts.

Basically if you start on a subohm device then higher VG and lower nicotine is the way forward, or (in this case) change the tank. Millions of people quit on 6-8 watts.

The Subvod is a nice battery, so find a combo that works. :)
 
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Thank you all for the great responses! I went to the right place and will continue to do so whenever I have a question I need answered. I didn't have any idea if the 1.2 ohm coil would harm my battery or not. I am off ciggs fully since yesterday and seem to be doing good (My current nicotine level is about 9 mg) I have read other places that in sub-ohming you shouldn't go above a 6mg level. I believe I can stay with a 9mg in my Subvod right now without switching coils It's rocking a Vanilla Custard right now that's pretty heavenly, and no burnt taste or evil throat punch. Wait until I decide to upgrade then I will have more questions, thanks guys!
 

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Thank you all for the great responses! I went to the right place and will continue to do so whenever I have a question I need answered. I didn't have any idea if the 1.2 ohm coil would harm my battery or not. I am off ciggs fully since yesterday and seem to be doing good (My current nicotine level is about 9 mg) I have read other places that in sub-ohming you shouldn't go above a 6mg level. I believe I can stay with a 9mg in my Subvod right now without switching coils It's rocking a Vanilla Custard right now that's pretty heavenly, and no burnt taste or evil throat punch. Wait until I decide to upgrade then I will have more questions, thanks guys!

Well, there is gentle subohming and serious subohming.

Subohm means a coil under 1.0ohm making above 18 watts on your rig (a mechanical was often used before modern subohm regulated mods). (A 0.5ohm coils would be <35 watts on a 4.2v battery)

You can use a subohm coil at 15 watts and there is no reason at all to not use any liquid you like.
I use 12mg at anything up to near 20w.

Your subvod vapes at about 22-24 watts (according to my experiments). I am enjoying mine but have had light headaches vaping 12mg so ordered 70ml of 6mg today to use in it.

9mg sounds a good compromise. Now, if you were seriously subohming at 40,60 watts, then even 6mg could be too much.
 
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9mg sounds a good compromise. Now, if you were seriously subohming at 40,60 watts, then even 6mg could be too much.

Did not know that. but I had heard people comment that their rigs won't allow them a higher nicotine level, now I understand why.
What exactly is the great thing about sub-ohming anyway? I am not dissing it, or anyone I am just truly curious. You use more juice, battery drain is faster. It has to be the clouds, right?
 
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For some people it is the clouds, certainly. For others, it's just the way they like to vape. There's no right way to do this; it's about what works for you. MTL hitters like small watts and high ohm coils, and it works for them with a restricted draw. Direct lung hitters want better breathing toppers, and that just about requires subohm because you lose the flavor and vapor if you don't. it gets swamped in the air stream.
Did not know that. but I had heard people comment that their rigs won't allow them a higher nicotine level, now I understand why.
What exactly is the great thing about sub-ohming anyway? I am not dissing it, or anyone I am just truly curious. You use more vapor, battery drain is faster. It has to be the clouds, right?
 
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You might want to try a higher ohm coil like 1.2 just to see if you like the vape. I run everything from 0.8 to 1.8 haven't hit on one that I can say I like better then the other but I adjust my watts so just up my watts for higher ohm coils still working on my fixed volt batteries will figure it out sometime right now just enjoying the adventure
 
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