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Cool, you answered one of the big questions I had as far as the mixing process. Most commonly a liquid will blend better with another liquid, if it is heated. Boiling helps liquids blend even more, but I ruled that one out on my own because I didn't want any steam leading to a loss in liquid or nicotine. Microwaving the mixed liquid or putting it in the oven would probably crack or melt the bottle, so I wouldn't trust that either. I was actually planning on using water like you mentioned.

My idea was to get all the liquids, in the right proportions, into a the bottle I would vape from, shake for a couple minutes, then close the bottle and put it in a pot of hot water. I may put the pot on the stove top and put it on the lowest setting for 10 to 20 minutes. My idea was to get the liquid inside warm to slightly hot without boiling it, then shaking it again from their. I don't know if this was similar to what you were doing but I'm thinking that heating the liquids will help ensure they blend well. :)

You are right, it's basic physics: heat speeds up blending by increasing molecular activity. Heat also reduces viscosity - think of the oil in your car engine.

But I consider it unwise to actually boil a soft-plastic bottle, or microwave it. Simmering is completely unnecessary, 212 degrees is HOT. All you really want is to warm the liquid to reduce viscosity and accelerate mixing. Immersing the bottle for 5 minutes in very hot tap water is fine, then just shake again. I don't know this, but I suspect that certain molecules in flavoring can be altered by very high heat, though it might depend on the specific flavors involved. (Makes sense - high-voltage is too hot for some more-delicate juices, there are MANY reports that HV completely changes how they taste.)

I don't have anything against 100mg base, just saying - be aware of the dangers, exercise care as you seem to be, and give yourself MORE elbow room than you think you need even if you're super-coordinated (phones and doorbells can ring at the worst possible moment! - keep pets and kids outside, don't allow distractions). Gloves are good, but remember you also have skin elsewhere and you REALLY don't want to get any of this stuff into your eyes, particularly. If a splash or spill should occur, don't panic or rush, just clean up yourself first, then the work area. My personal first rule about DIY is - don't even think about mixing in a hurry! Allow more time than you think you will need.

I haven't seen anything about the test kits being undependable, but I don't have first-hand experience so my opinion is irrelevant.

Seems to me that you are being very intelligent, you're developing a plan, a methodology, and tempering your impatience to get on with it - waiting until you have everything in place and have done as much research as possible before you begin. It's just like cooking - read the entire recipe before you start, assemble your tools and ingredients, make sure you've got everything that you need... and THEN dive in well-prepared. You will refine your process with experience.

Some people have even practiced using their measuring equipment using only water at first, even though the real ingredients are thicker and slower. Patience, especially when waiting for the full measure of VG to exit that pipette! It helps to warm the bottle of VG to reduce viscosity but that stuff is still really slow, no matter what. Add 3ml of VG from a pipette, then watch VG creep down the inside walls of the pipette and collect at the tip... after a couple of minutes, there's at least .5ml still left in the pipette that did not go into your mixing bottle. Be aware how that could throw off your measurements.
 

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You are right, it's basic physics: heat speeds up blending by increasing molecular activity. Heat also reduces viscosity - think of the oil in your car engine.

But I consider it unwise to actually boil a soft-plastic bottle, or microwave it. Simmering is completely unnecessary, 212 degrees is HOT. All you really want is to warm the liquid to reduce viscosity and accelerate mixing. Immersing the bottle for 5 minutes in very hot tap water is fine, then just shake again. I don't know this, but I suspect that certain molecules in flavoring can be altered by very high heat, though it might depend on the specific flavors involved. (Makes sense - high-voltage is too hot for some more-delicate juices, there are MANY reports that HV completely changes how they taste.)

What I do is just shake and then heat a big measuring cup of water in the microwave and drop the sealed bottle of juice in the cup and let it sit until the water cools.
 

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You don't need an adapter to use a 306 atty on a 510 connector - they have the same threads. I use them on eGo-style batteries all the time ;)

Very nice, that expands my options then. :) Only bad thing is that my monthly budget for November is going to be 60-70 bucks. That gives me enough money for one atty, maybe two if I'm lucky.

What I bought already is VG, PG, Nicotine, Distilled Water, and the Ebay testing kit. (that was part of last months budget
which came out to be about 70 total.)

What I still need is DIY flavorings, gloves, syringes, pipettes, a funnel, empty bottles, about 8-10 cartos, a new shorty extension, and perhaps two bottles of premixed 24mg liquids so that I'll have something to vape while I'm working on my custom mixes. I haven't tallied all of that up yet but I have a feeling an atty or two will push me to at least 60 and probably over 70 with shipping. That's why I said darn it when you got me thinking of attys before. lol

I do think I'll need at least one though so I'm glad you did. I'll probably get one that is between 2.0 and 2.5 ohms and debridged since Madvapes has them and now I can expand my search to the 306 models too. I'm not entirely clear how debridging will help for dripping but I heard you and a few others say it helps, so I'm going with one that is debridged.

Ive also heard of people dewicking attys for dripping. I assume this would prevent mixed flavors from being produced from the wick when dripping different flavors constantly?

I got curious with one of my cartos after it burnt and successfully removed the outer casing, filler, and the small wicks around the coils. It's basically just bare attys sticking out but it still fires. I don't know how different the atty would be to dewick and I wouldn't want to destroy something that is 3 times as expensive as a carto. :p

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If anybody knows about this there is one thing I have listed above that I may not be able to find. I'm planning on getting a few empty bottles for my liquids, that's the easy part and Ive been to a couple places that sells them, but what I haven't seen yet are graduated bottles.

I really want some of these if they have them available for E-liquds. I'm looking for bottle sizes between 15 to 30 ML in size, and Id prefer glass ones if possible. This would help me in a number of ways, particularly if I end up needing to tweak a mix that I made and add flavor, PG, or VG to the existing mix. I could check to see how much the volume is increasing when adding, and I would also know exactly how much liquid I have left in each bottle without guesswork.

From my original PV purchase over a month ago, I have two cartos left and about 20ML of liquid to vape. I'm definitely running low so I'll probably be finishing this new purchase within the next 3 days. Any tips in on this in the next couple days would really help me. :)
 

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I've just rediscovered some small CE2's for testing flavours. I pulled the two black rubber bits out of the inside & drip down the side about 4-6 drops of so. I tried dripping straight onto the coil in the center cup, but it runs straight out. You have to keep them upright but when you want to change juice, just tip it up and shake it out, run some PG or VG through them and start again.

Cheaper and easier than atomizers for me. I didn't like them at all until now!:) I got the short ones in stainless steel from here:

5pc CE2 Ceramic Cartomizer for 510 in 3 colors (Edition 5,Short & XL) [CE2] - $5.60 : Healthcabin Electronic Cigarettes - Wholesale and Retail--

I've read a good bit about variants of these and they have my attention despite some negative opinions floating around, but I'm waiting on them primarily to save money for other things. Budgets really suck, and sticking to them even more so. :p

I was interested more in the clear CE2s or CE3s, because I thought it would be the equivalent of having a tank setup, without having to buy a 40 dollar tank, or make one yourself. If its clear it makes it easier to gauge the amount of liquid in the tank. I suppose if your using it for dripping it wouldn't matter though.

Could I do what your doing on a dewicked DCC? I have a clear mega DCC that I stripped down to just the attys. It still fires good so I didn't destroy it, and the outer tube still fits on the base and of course the drip tip still fits on the outer tube. It is a DCC though so Im guessing id just be dripping onto the top coil? I didn't know dripping onto the coils themselves was even an opinion until recently.

If this would even work, I can see this clear tube melting if I fire the attys too much without the filler material in their.
 

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I haven't seen any graduated bottles that small, so I can't help you there.

You should easily be able to get started mixing for less than $70, even with atty's. Buy multiple small bottles of flavoring until you see what you like, then you can buy larger quantities. Also, the equipment costs shouldn't run more than $10 (syringes, pipettes, etc), you've got the larger costs of nic, vg, pg, and a testing kit out of the way already, so that helps even more. My syringes I got at the walmart pharmacy for 25 cents each. They didn't have larger needles for pulling up the vg, so I got a 10ml oral syringe from walmart for ~$1 for the VG.

What's a shorty extension? I don't think I've heard of those...

If you can pull out the stuffing and de-wick a carto, then you don't necessarily need the atomizers to start with either.
 

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Very nice, that expands my options then. :) Only bad thing is that my monthly budget for November is going to be 60-70 bucks. That gives me enough money for one atty, maybe two if I'm lucky.

What I bought already is VG, PG, Nicotine, Distilled Water, and the Ebay testing kit. (that was part of last months budget
which came out to be about 70 total.)

What I still need is DIY flavorings, gloves, syringes, pipettes, a funnel, empty bottles, about 8-10 cartos, a new shorty extension, and perhaps two bottles of premixed 24mg liquids so that I'll have something to vape while I'm working on my custom mixes. I haven't tallied all of that up yet but I have a feeling an atty or two will push me to at least 60 and probably over 70 with shipping. That's why I said darn it when you got me thinking of attys before. lol

I do think I'll need at least one though so I'm glad you did. I'll probably get one that is between 2.0 and 2.5 ohms and debridged since Madvapes has them and now I can expand my search to the 306 models too. I'm not entirely clear how debridging will help for dripping but I heard you and a few others say it helps, so I'm going with one that is debridged.

Ive also heard of people dewicking attys for dripping. I assume this would prevent mixed flavors from being produced from the wick when dripping different flavors constantly?

I got curious with one of my cartos after it burnt and successfully removed the outer casing, filler, and the small wicks around the coils. It's basically just bare attys sticking out but it still fires. I don't know how different the atty would be to dewick and I wouldn't want to destroy something that is 3 times as expensive as a carto. :p

............................................................................................................

If anybody knows about this there is one thing I have listed above that I may not be able to find. I'm planning on getting a few empty bottles for my liquids, that's the easy part and Ive been to a couple places that sells them, but what I haven't seen yet are graduated bottles.

I really want some of these if they have them available for E-liquds. I'm looking for bottle sizes between 15 to 30 ML in size, and Id prefer glass ones if possible. This would help me in a number of ways, particularly if I end up needing to tweak a mix that I made and add flavor, PG, or VG to the existing mix. I could check to see how much the volume is increasing when adding, and I would also know exactly how much liquid I have left in each bottle without guesswork.

From my original PV purchase over a month ago, I have two cartos left and about 20ML of liquid to vape. I'm definitely running low so I'll probably be finishing this new purchase within the next 3 days. Any tips in on this in the next couple days would really help me. :)

Mike, I think you're overthinking things just a little bit ;)

The first mix I came up with that was halfway vapeable I was so proud of myself I made up a 300ml batch and pitched it a week later. Even now when I'm mixing my all-day vape I don't make more than 50ml at a time. You really wanna mix in small batches until you come up with something that's gonna make you happy for a really long time.

If you're on a budget maybe I can help a little by recommended stuff I do use and steering you away from the stuff you may not need right away ;)

You'll need some syringes from the farm supply store - one each 20cc, 10-12cc, 5-6cc and 3cc. That oughtta cost you less than four bucks and a box of six 18 or 16 gauge sharps runs $2.

Highly recommended is a 1cc syringe (I use syringes instead of droppers to measure flavoring) but if you can't find one at your local drugstore liberty-flights will sell you one. Be sure to click the 20% off coupon at the top left of each page. liberty-flights is also a good place to get flavors - maybe not the best, but if you're gonna have to pay shipping from there anyway their prices on FlavourArt stuff are pretty good.

Since I mix small batches and use syringes to measure stuff I really don't have much of a need for graduated bottles - I do have a 500ml flask but that only gets used to hold hot water to rinse stuff out :)

Although I have a buncha glass bottles I almost never use them, mainly because they don't use dropper tips - I generally recycle 30ml and 50ml juice bottles. Syringes are good for measuring and if you're just testing you can even mix in a shot glass. If you can account for every drop of flavoring you've used you can recreate something you like in any quantity you like and most people can eyeball a bottle well enough to know what'll fit in there. You do have to be accurate measuring your nic and 0mg base liquids but just about anybody can look at a half-full 50ml bottle and know that a 20ml batch will fit in there - then I just use syringes to measure the stuff ;)

On attys - I'm gonna suggest again you don't use LR attys for testing. I've got a couple of 1.8 ohm 306 attys here and to be honest the 2.5 ohm attys are better for testing as the flavor doesn't go from good to horrible in about one hit. The reason I debridge attys is that both the metal mesh and the wick in an atty hold juice and by exposing the coil I can put just one drop on the coil, vape that and don't have to worry about the mesh or the wick holding another four or five drops I have to get out of the atty before I can continue testing.

I think you can bring this in under budget easy - but I also think maybe you've overthinking things just a tiny bit ;)
 

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I've read a good bit about variants of these and they have my attention despite some negative opinions floating around, but I'm waiting on them primarily to save money for other things. Budgets really suck, and sticking to them even more so. :p

I was interested more in the clear CE2s or CE3s, because I thought it would be the equivalent of having a tank setup, without having to buy a 40 dollar tank, or make one yourself. If its clear it makes it easier to gauge the amount of liquid in the tank. I suppose if your using it for dripping it wouldn't matter though.

Could I do what your doing on a dewicked DCC? I have a clear mega DCC that I stripped down to just the attys. It still fires good so I didn't destroy it, and the outer tube still fits on the base and of course the drip tip still fits on the outer tube. It is a DCC though so Im guessing id just be dripping onto the top coil? I didn't know dripping onto the coils themselves was even an opinion until recently.

If this would even work, I can see this clear tube melting if I fire the attys too much without the filler material in their.

I don't think I can help much but I'll try remember some things I've read. I had a look at your PV and it takes different batteries for different volts. The CE2's that I linked to will work at 3.7v but will burn at 6v I think. So just be careful with cartos and attys if you're using 6v batteries. I bought some Smoktech XL DCC both clear and unclear but they didn't work on my Ego batteries, though others seem to use them. I imagine they'd work great for you at 6v. I don't think there'd be any way of using them for dripping. The CE2's don't have filler, the juice sits at the bottom and wicks up to the coil. I didn't have much patience for dripping with attys. Great when you get it right but too much fiddling. I was using boge cartos for trying flavours before the CE2s, but mostly was vaping a mixture of the last flavour and the next! :) Makes it interesting!

Until you find some graduated glass bottles, you could try mixing a 20 or 30ml bottle of nic/pg/vg by marking your own gradations with a sharpie. I'm not sure what strength nicotine you got, eg. if 48mg and you want 24mg then mark the bottle in quarters and fill to half with your 48mg. If you want pg/vg at 75/25 (assuming your nic is pg based) then fill to the 3/4 mark with pg, then a quarter vg. Though that's a simple example and doesn't take your flavours into consideration. You could get disposable gloves and syringes locally. Buy lots of 3ml, 5ml or 6ml bottles for experimenting. And if you run out of juice before your next order arrives, then you'll have a bottle of unflavoured to vape while you're waiting.

I know how you feel, each payday I have to decide what I want the most, even though I now have everything I need for a while. lol it's a lesson in restraint.
 

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I see the person above me already suggested what I was going to say. I put graduations on my 60 ml bottles. They are not fine graduations, but I use them mainly to have a good idea of how much I've used/how much I have left.

I'm using plastic bottles, but it would work for glass as well. Just use your 5 or 10 ml syringe to fill the bottle 5-10 mls at a time. Take a sharpie and mark the bottle at the level of the liquid each time. Use some clear nail polish or clear spray paint over the marks when you are done to make them more permanent. It's not the most exact, but it gives you a pretty good estimate.

I'd also agree to hold off on mixing big batches. I had been happily vaping my all day mix when all the sudden it just seemed too sweet at my 2.5 month mark of vaping (right in the middle of a 60 ml batch). Not sure what happened to my taste buds, but they seem to have become more sensitive. My graduated bottles allowed me to adjust the juice by adding an (approximately) known amount of unsweetened juice, but it would have been a lot less trouble if I'd just made 10 ml of juice instead of 60.
 

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Mike, I think you're overthinking things just a little bit ;)

The first mix I came up with that was halfway vapeable I was so proud of myself I made up a 300ml batch and pitched it a week later. Even now when I'm mixing my all-day vape I don't make more than 50ml at a time. You really wanna mix in small batches until you come up with something that's gonna make you happy for a really long time.

If you're on a budget maybe I can help a little by recommended stuff I do use and steering you away from the stuff you may not need right away ;)

You'll need some syringes from the farm supply store - one each 20cc, 10-12cc, 5-6cc and 3cc. That oughtta cost you less than four bucks and a box of six 18 or 16 gauge sharps runs $2.

Highly recommended is a 1cc syringe (I use syringes instead of droppers to measure flavoring) but if you can't find one at your local drugstore liberty-flights will sell you one. Be sure to click the 20% off coupon at the top left of each page. liberty-flights is also a good place to get flavors - maybe not the best, but if you're gonna have to pay shipping from there anyway their prices on FlavourArt stuff are pretty good.

Since I mix small batches and use syringes to measure stuff I really don't have much of a need for graduated bottles - I do have a 500ml flask but that only gets used to hold hot water to rinse stuff out :)

Although I have a buncha glass bottles I almost never use them, mainly because they don't use dropper tips - I generally recycle 30ml and 50ml juice bottles. Syringes are good for measuring and if you're just testing you can even mix in a shot glass. If you can account for every drop of flavoring you've used you can recreate something you like in any quantity you like and most people can eyeball a bottle well enough to know what'll fit in there. You do have to be accurate measuring your nic and 0mg base liquids but just about anybody can look at a half-full 50ml bottle and know that a 20ml batch will fit in there - then I just use syringes to measure the stuff ;)

On attys - I'm gonna suggest again you don't use LR attys for testing. I've got a couple of 1.8 ohm 306 attys here and to be honest the 2.5 ohm attys are better for testing as the flavor doesn't go from good to horrible in about one hit. The reason I debridge attys is that both the metal mesh and the wick in an atty hold juice and by exposing the coil I can put just one drop on the coil, vape that and don't have to worry about the mesh or the wick holding another four or five drops I have to get out of the atty before I can continue testing.

I think you can bring this in under budget easy - but I also think maybe you've overthinking things just a tiny bit ;)

I am planning on keeping my first few batches small. I was thinking 11 or 12 ML for my first mix, that way I can extract 1 or 2ML for nicotine testing and still have 10 to vape. That's what I'm use to anyway are 10ML bottles.

The larger bottle sizes Im getting are so that I have plenty of room to shake. Down the road I'll probably decide to start mixing 20ML at a time which will make a 30ml bottle perfect for whatever amount I mix. I was thinking of maybe getting 3 15 or 20ML bottles and 3 30ML bottles, but I'll definitely be mixing no more than 11 or 12 ML to start. :)

I mentioned adding to the volume of mixed liquid because it could turn out that I don't add enough flavor or too much, and I need to add a bit more flavor or pg/vg to it, but I wasn't suggesting doubling or tripling the amount to give me a large amount of liquid.

You mentioned that you don't prefer your glass bottles because they don't have dropper tips. What's is your opinion on the glass bottles with built in droppers? Do they generally drip into a carto or atty well? Also, do the built in droppers reach the bottom of the bottle enough to get most of the liquid out when the bottle is running low?

I thought about buying a dropper or two separate from the bottles in case the built in ones don't do well.

That's what I suspected about the Atty wick. It's removed for testing or dripping because it retains liquid which can give you mixed flavors. The bridge too it sounds like. I've yet to see a stand alone Atty unit yet but it appears I can buy them debridged although I haven't seen one being sold dewicked.

So I do wonder how you remove an old flavor if the wick is still attached. Can you vape the wick dry, or will it burn like a carto? Or do I need to keep the wick wet and keep dripping and vaping a new flavor until the old flavor is gone?

If I have to remove the wick myself I am concerned about breaking the atty. I got lucky doing this on one of by cartos out of sheer curiosity, but that's a different design. :p
 
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I don't think I can help much but I'll try remember some things I've read. I had a look at your PV and it takes different batteries for different volts. The CE2's that I linked to will work at 3.7v but will burn at 6v I think. So just be careful with cartos and attys if you're using 6v batteries. I bought some Smoktech XL DCC both clear and unclear but they didn't work on my Ego batteries, though others seem to use them. I imagine they'd work great for you at 6v. I don't think there'd be any way of using them for dripping. The CE2's don't have filler, the juice sits at the bottom and wicks up to the coil. I didn't have much patience for dripping with attys. Great when you get it right but too much fiddling. I was using boge cartos for trying flavours before the CE2s, but mostly was vaping a mixture of the last flavour and the next! :) Makes it interesting!

Until you find some graduated glass bottles, you could try mixing a 20 or 30ml bottle of nic/pg/vg by marking your own gradations with a sharpie. I'm not sure what strength nicotine you got, eg. if 48mg and you want 24mg then mark the bottle in quarters and fill to half with your 48mg. If you want pg/vg at 75/25 (assuming your nic is pg based) then fill to the 3/4 mark with pg, then a quarter vg. Though that's a simple example and doesn't take your flavours into consideration. You could get disposable gloves and syringes locally. Buy lots of 3ml, 5ml or 6ml bottles for experimenting. And if you run out of juice before your next order arrives, then you'll have a bottle of unflavoured to vape while you're waiting.

I know how you feel, each payday I have to decide what I want the most, even though I now have everything I need for a while. lol it's a lesson in restraint.

Great idea with the marking of the bottles, I'll end up doing this if I can't find the graduated bottles I want.

My Roughstack is setup with 3.7 V batteries, If I ever go higher I'll probably try a 5v setup. Ive had no problems with lack of hit at 3.7 so I might just stick with it. 3.7 V is pretty good when the batteries range from 2000 - 3000 mah. I average one charge a day with these 18650s, and I'm charging them when they're about half drained so they could go longer.
 

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I haven't seen any graduated bottles that small, so I can't help you there.

You should easily be able to get started mixing for less than $70, even with atty's. Buy multiple small bottles of flavoring until you see what you like, then you can buy larger quantities. Also, the equipment costs shouldn't run more than $10 (syringes, pipettes, etc), you've got the larger costs of nic, vg, pg, and a testing kit out of the way already, so that helps even more. My syringes I got at the walmart pharmacy for 25 cents each. They didn't have larger needles for pulling up the vg, so I got a 10ml oral syringe from walmart for ~$1 for the VG.

What's a shorty extension? I don't think I've heard of those...

If you can pull out the stuffing and de-wick a carto, then you don't necessarily need the atomizers to start with either.

The shorty extension is something that screws onto your PV to extend the treads out further from the battery. Sort of like an adapter, but in this case the threads are identcal on both the male and female side. The one I have is 510 to 510.

Its useful on some PVs like the Maxi Roughstack because the button is on top. This means that some of the mega cartos I bought sit too close to the button and they wont screw down all the way unless they are elevated with the shorty extension. It also has another purpose, I always use one because I don't want to wear the threads down on my PV by constantly screwing cartos and attys in and out. So I just leave the extension in at all times.

I mentioned buying a new one earlier because the cheaper on I bought is too loose on the female end, so a couple of my cartos wobble in it. This is the one I'll be getting.......

Shorty 510 Extension and Connector

It's 7 bucks but I've read a couple reviews claiming the treads are tighter than on the 3 dollar ones I have.

about the carto, I'm going to try dripping into the one I dewicked as soon as I get home tomorrow. I'm hoping this works but this carto is a DCC clear mega carto. The tube is plastic and it has two attys so it might melt the outer tube without the filler their to block the heat. It will be nice if that works though. :)
 
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...You mentioned that you don't prefer your glass bottles because they don't have dropper tips. What's is your opinion on the glass bottles with built in droppers? Do they generally drip into a carto or atty well? Also, do the built in droppers reach the bottom of the bottle enough to get most of the liquid out when the bottle is running low?

I thought about buying a dropper or two separate from the bottles in case the built in ones don't do well.

That's what I suspected about the Atty wick. It's removed for testing or dripping because it retains liquid which can give you mixed flavors. The bridge too it sounds like. I've yet to see a stand alone Atty unit yet but it appears I can buy them debridged although I haven't seen one being sold dewicked.

So I do wonder how you remove an old flavor if the wick is still attached. Can you vape the wick dry, or will it burn like a carto? Or do I need to keep the wick wet and keep dripping and vaping a new flavor until the old flavor is gone?

If I have to remove the wick myself I am concerned about breaking the atty. I got lucky doing this on one of by cartos out of sheer curiosity, but that's a different design. :p

I use homemade tanks these days and fill them with a syringe because the fill port's too small to drip directly into them and on the rare occasions I do use plain cartos I prefer the dropper tips because no dropper is gonna get all the juice out of a glass bottle - for me it's easier to just squirt out of the bottle than mess with a glass dropper ;)

It'd be pretty difficult to break an atty by debridging it - but if something like that does give you the heebie jeebies there are places that'll sell you a debridged atty for a buck more than a regular one.

JMO but debridging implies dewicking - madvapes will sell you a debridged/dewicked 510 atty with a drip tip for seven bucks -

Bridgeless 510 Atomizer, 2 ohms

and here's a picture -

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but IMO these are the thing to use for testing flavors -

306 2.5 ohm Atomizer with Colored Drip Tip

and there are several videos out there on how to debridge an atty - I can get down to the coil on a 306 atty in less than a minute and I've only done it a handful of times.

To answer your other question you can vape the wick dry and it will burn if you run it long enough, but you can also wash out the atty in PGA, shake it out and then dry-burn it for a few seconds. Debridging solves all these problems because you only have to worry about the drop of juice that's in the cup where the coil is.
 

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I am planning on keeping my first few batches small. I was thinking 11 or 12 ML for my first mix, that way I can extract 1 or 2ML for nicotine testing and still have 10 to vape. That's what I'm use to anyway are 10ML bottles.

So are you planning on testing every single batch you make for nicotine? Personally, that seems like quite a bit of overkill to me. There's really no reason to test every batch. Test one, or test each lot of nicotine base, and then do a spot check occasionally if you feel the need. As long as you are consistent in measuring your ingredients relatively accurately, your nicotine levels shouldn't vary too much in your DIY liquids. If you are worried about your measuring abilities, then testing for nicotine in each batch is only going to compound the issue (as it also requires measuring). :)

ETA: Oh, sorry, I see you said 'for my first batch'. My reading comprehension is not great this early in the morning. LOL!
 

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So are you planning on testing every single batch you make for nicotine? Personally, that seems like quite a bit of overkill to me. There's really no reason to test every batch. Test one, or test each lot of nicotine base, and then do a spot check occasionally if you feel the need. As long as you are consistent in measuring your ingredients relatively accurately, your nicotine levels shouldn't vary too much in your DIY liquids. If you are worried about your measuring abilities, then testing for nicotine in each batch is only going to compound the issue (as it also requires measuring). :)

ETA: Oh, sorry, I see you said 'for my first batch'. My reading comprehension is not great this early in the morning. LOL!

Now, while I won't test every mixed batch I make, I will test every bottle of nicotine I get. I think the trade off is small. Sacrificing 1 or 2ml of nic base, and sacrificing a little time is the only tradeoff apart from the cost of the testing supplies.

As far as mixed batches go I'll probably start with a clear PG flavor so the mixed batch can be easily tested as well. It wont be a normal thing though, I may do this with a few batches until Im confident im doing things right, then from their on out I'll just be testing the nicotine bases I buy once or twice for each new bottle.

I have my distilled water now so I might go a little test crazy at first on different premixed liquids. Im hoping that testing different liquids before the nicotine base will give me an idea of how accurate and consistent the test is, and it will get me use to using the pipette I have.

The rest of my DIY purchase will be made today flavors, syringes, bottles, cartos, ect ect, and probably one of the attys wizard10000 mentioned. So thankfully I'll have a little time to get use to measuring. :)
 

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I placed all orders now and should have everything I need by next Tuesday I'm hoping. I thought Id list what I got below to see if there are any opinions on it, or if I perhaps left something out, but first I had a question and a couple links that might interest anyone who uses syringes.

I was wondering if a syringe has its accuracy thrown off by the liquid in the needle. In other words if I stick a needle into a liquid and extract until the liquid reaches the 3ml mark, would I really have 3ml? Or would I have 3ml plus whatever liquid is in the needle?

Some of the Needles I got are 3 inches long and 14 gauge so I assume that could be a real issue with those.

I did a little research on syringes and came up with the following two links...

Murphy's Machines - How To Use A Syringe

http://www.sge.com/uploads/3e/7a/3e7ae56d9a9cc9458c407b7347f337fc/TA-0013-S.pdf (pdf link)

The first link explains that to accurately fill a syringe and dispense an accurate amount I should fill the syringe with air first, then draw the liquid above the desired amount, then dispense leaving the excess liquid in the syringe. (The link better explains it) I'm thinking if I do it this way id be getting better measurements and the excess liquid in the needle wouldn't matter.

However I've never used a syringe, much less used one for DIY mixing so I was wondering if this method is being used here? That link was about making biodiesel using syringes that are many times larger than what E-liquid mixers are using so I definitely wanted to verify the method.

The second link describes in one section that for maximum accuracy the injected amount of liquid from a syringe should be no more than 10% of its full scale. So a 10ml syringe can accurately inject 1ml of liquid according to this. I don't know if this really matters for DIY because they're speaking about syringes for medial applications I believe. Any thoughts?

This was my order from One Stop DIY... (I really broke that 70 dollar limit :laugh:)

Mixing Supplies.....


Syringe with Blunt Tip Needle
(Size: 1 cc, Needle: 14 Gauge, Length: 3 Inches)

Syringe with Blunt Tip Needle
(Size: 3 cc, Needle: 14 Gauge, Length: 3 Inches)

Syringe with Blunt Tip Needle
(Size: 5 cc, Needle: 14 Gauge, Length: 3 Inches)

Blunt Tip Needle
(Guage: 14, Length: 2 Inches) x1

Blunt Tip Needle
(Guage: 16, Length: 2 Inches) x2

Blunt Tip Needle
(Guage: 16, Length: 3 Inches) x2

Disposable Pipette
(Pipette: 1ml, Number: Single) x3

Disposable Pipette
(Pipette: 3ml, Number: Single) x5

Dropper

Funnel
(Diameter: 35mm)

Mini Measuring Cup x4

Glass Bottles with Glass Droppers
(Size: 15ml, Color: Cobalt Blue) x2

Glass Bottles with Glass Droppers
(Size: 30ml, Color: Cobalt Blue) x2


Flavors...

Flavour Art
(Flavor: MTS Vape Wizard)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Tobacco Flavor, Size: 6ml)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Tobacco Blend (PG), Size: 6ml)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Spearmint, Size: 6ml)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Root Beer, Size: 6ml)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Dew Drops (Mt), Size: 6ml)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Menthol Liquid (PG), Size: 6ml)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Coffee, Size: 6ml)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Cinnamon Redhots, Size: 6ml)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Chocolate, Size: 6ml)

The Flavor Apprentice Professional Flavors
(Flavor: Cappuccino, Size: 6ml)


So that was one order, but I felt that I needed to make sure that I had a larger syringe and needles from another
vendor just in case these didn't work so good. So I went back to Madvapes where I made my previous and first PV purchase, to get the following.....

Madvapes purchase...


Mixing Supplies...


10 ML LUER LOCK SYRINGE
Luer Lock Needle 14 gauge 1.5"
Luer Lock Needle 18 gauge 1.5"
Empty 50Ml Dropper Bottle with Childproof cap

Attys/Cartos/Other...


Smok Tech 1.7 ohm 510 Cartomizers x2
MadVapes 510 2.0 Dual Coil Clear Cartomizer x3
Clear eGo Mega Dual Coil Cartomizer x2
306 2.5ohm Atomizer
306 Yellow Dripper Tip
Shorty 510 Extension and Connector

I hope this atty was a good choice, I went with a 306 2.5 based a good tip here, plus I read the reviews on this one in particular and everyone seems to like it. To finish off this order I went to CCV and bought a 5 pack of 1.7 ohm resurrectors, and went to Nhaler and bought an echo E carto. Those are said to last a long time.

the total of all these purchases was $ 94.20

But the purchase I made late last month for PG, VG, Nicotine, and the testing kit was about $ 70

Grand Total $164.20

That's a good chunk of money although it did go to both PV stuff and getting started in DIY. I just hope this DIY method is a solution to my throat irritation and that the supplies I got last a couple months.:vapor:

Mike
 
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Anyone have input on the syringe questions in my last post? I tried yahoo answers on a whim, but nobody has replied.

that makes me sad, see the frowny face........ :(

My eyes aren't so close together as that frowny face though, and I don't get confused with the walmart happy face either.

:p


Here's the question rephrased a bit at yahoo answers......

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...HdDca9EjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20111113185345AApYWoi

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Question about using a syringe?
I am new to using syringes and will be using them for measuring and mixing E-liquids for E-cigs. I thought Id point this question outside my normal ECF forum debate and ask it here.

What I need to know is if a syringe has its accuracy thrown off by the liquid in the needle and hub. In other words if I extract liquid into a syringe up to the 3ML mark, do I really have 3ml in the syringe? Or do I have 3ml plus whatever liquid is in the needle and hub?

I want to be able to dispense an exact amount of liquid, or at least close to it. Here are the syringes and needles I got...

http://www.onestopdiyshop.com/products/Syringe-with-Blunt-Tip-Needle.html

Some of the needles I got are 3 inches long so my concern is that the extra liquid in the needle will throw off my measurements if I dispense all the liquid I extracted. Im thinking that a typical 10ml syringe is exactly 10ml from the first graduation to the last, and that the liquid in the needle and hub would be counted as extra.

I'm not sure about this though, they might factor this into the syringe by making the graduations closest to the needle shorter than the rest.

Does anybody here know about this? Or have a guide on proper filling and despensing techniques using syringes?
 
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I don't think the volume measured in the syringe includes the volume in the needle. I googled and found a few places that say the volume of the needle is NOT included, but I can't vouch for the accuracy of these websites. I don't see how it could be, as needle lengths and gauges can vary.

However, even with a long wide gauge needle, the difference is not going to be huge. What I do, is I put my finger over the needle (blunt) and pour the liquid in. That way, pressure keeps the liquid from going into the needle. Not that I'm all that worried about that volume, I just don't like trying to suck viscous liquids up with a needle. Takes too long. The volume in the needle will be pretty small. I haven't attempted to measure, but I imagine, even with a 3" 18 gauge needle the volume inside would be uh... maybe 100 microliters or less?

You could do some math to figure it out. Figure the inner diameter of an 18 gauge needle is ~.8mm. Find the formula for volume of a cylinder.

with a radius of .4 mm, and a length of ~76 mm (3 inches), the volume would be ~38 cubic mm. That would be 38 microliters or 0.038 ml.

Just an estimate and you'd have to find a reasonable measurement of the inner radius of your needles, but not enough volume to worry about , IMO.
 
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