Important advice, An indestructible MOD, and the Clieto 120 vs Smok V12 Beast

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CumulusRoom

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Been vaping for years now, and have gone through countless mod, Pen kits, starting with innokin, Aspire (and virtually all of their products), and Wismec products and now Smok. Heres what i have to say about these:

1) The bottom line is that you don't want to buy an item that breaks the first time you drop it accidentally. Or, secondly, a defective unit altogether.
2)You want it to produce the same amount of cloud that you'd normally get from a draw from a cigarette. Not enough and you might go back to cigarettes; tiny cigarette sized pens you see at a gas station are worthless to someone that has been used to smoking full flavor cigarettes. Once you get the tank and mod you want, you can start with big clouds and once you get used to it, you tailor it down to eventually no Nicotine, and obviously less ridiculous-sized clouds.
3) Be rid of various annoying issues (Example: door for the batteries doesn't shut anymore, or the thing won't turn on, etc etc etc.
4) Speaking from my own experience, it came down to 2 tanks that i used alternatively.
People swear by the Cleito 120. I had it for a year, alongside the SMOK beast tank.
I have friends that swore that the CLieto 120 was better that the Smok V12 Beast, and it took a lot to finally admit it- sorry to say it but...theres absolutely NO comparison, the SMOK V12 produces the thickest, most dense vapor hands down. Get both if you can and see the difference, its not a drastic difference, but it can be clearly seen that the densities are entirely different. Lets say they both produce the same sized cloud when tested. The difference is that the denser the vapor, the more cloud youll have. I'll leave it at that.

Now I'm going to talk about the differences between the Wismec, Aspire and the Smok mod/atomizer products, again, from my own experience.

Wismec MOD: cool designs. Not sure about the newer 3 battery mods but the most popular one was pretty tough, it had been dropped at least 4 to 5 times, once in melted snow in a parking lot but didn't get any water infiltration. You could use it with just two or all 3 batteries. It worked perfectly, then a couple months after i dropped it, it would shut itself off randomly. Then the battery door wouldn't stay closed, and it kept indicating that there was no atomizer attached.
Had it for almost a 9 months. It was a great Mod until it just decided it had enough and fell apart. The battery doors were a serious PITA eventually, they weren't dented or chipped, the locking mechanism wouldn't work and the doors wouldn't stay on.
Smoke MOD: After much research, I got the T-Priv and it has been dropped a couple times, but overall, the design of the battery door is simple but effective in the sense that it slides into place instead of a spring loaded catch. Highly unlikely that it would open by accident, unless its a really hard drop onto a concrete floor or pavement. Which I've done, and no problems with any breakage, cracking etc. You can select a multitude of options with the LCD lighting; you can have the LCD lights on constantly or when the screen is on only, a great option if you misplace things. Most mods don't have that, so theres a lot of frustration and time wasted looking for something that somehow (even though it could be an entirely different color) blends in with the background, sometimes even if its right in front of you.
It is bigger and heavier than the Wismec that i compared it to. And only has two batteries.

The bottom line is: I don't necessarily care about the other great features it (T-Priv) has, i wanted something that was durable, plain and simple.

The simplest designs are generally the most effective and most durable, there are less parts that could create an eventual compromise in its composition.
If you're a newbie, you just got a quick run-down of the 2 best companies (again IMO) and just saved yourself tons of research.

My end Result between Wismec and SMOK, Aspire:
SMOK mod products are tougher it seems. And last longer with my experience; thicker metal. Definitely far more vapor, you have to have both or you won't make the change from one to the other like i did without direct, visible results.

And.....some extra info for newbies--
Dont forget about the "authentic this, authentic that" selling point, if you do not research this you will have an inferior knock-off copy, that will- for example- cause a tank to open up and dump juice into your pocket because it is fake. Which sucks if you just bought a 10 pack of Cleito 120 coils, the other 9 will do the same. Made that mistake once..

**Although it doesn't pertain to this thread, I've found that HALO is a great company and makes an awesome 1 battery mod that is the virtually size of a Djeep lighter and works great with the baby beast or Cleito. **

98% of all Mods and tanks are made in CHINA. FastTech has the best prices on Mods and tanks (because its based in CHINA), and shows what they're really worth, price-wise. DO YOUR RESEARCH when buying mods and tanks. Just because it says "ships in/from US" does NOT mean that it is authentic.
Stay away from people/companies that don't have TONS of positive reviews, on Ebay or Amazon or any other site for that matter.

**Inform yourself of DX flavors/juices. Stay away from Acetoin in E juices (TFA Apple flavors, FlavW Strawberry, or FlavW Orange for examples) and wouldn't suggest buying flavors from anywhere else other than BullCityV*pors or youll most likely be wasting time and money. There are MSDS sheets for all flavors, take the time to read them; I found that FW's Blood Orange flavor has a chemical that is HIGHLY TOXIC and should not be consumed in any manner. **
Again, do your research, don't mix batteries and good luck..
 

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I do not see the MSDS sheet at bullcity - I was checking it out based on your post. Looks like they sell other companies flavoring. Can you link to the sheets that part interests me.
Nicotine River is the only site I've ever seen that has MSDS sheets. Maybe that's what he meant?
 

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I'm just gonna throw in my 10 cents and say although you have had good luck with SMOK products, I know far too many vapers (for it to be co-incidence) who would never spend another $ on that brand.
Also Halo is not a great company whatever way you look at it. Ripping folk off with own version of products by Eleaf or others. Commission incentives to review sites.

Mostly, I agree with your post mind you and it's very informative indeed but I have to balance out those two comments on two brands I think are not good in any meaningful way.
 

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I'm just gonna throw in my 10 cents and say although you have had good luck with SMOK products, I know far too many vapers (for it to be co-incidence) who would never spend another $ on that brand.
Also Halo is not a great company whatever way you look at it. Ripping folk off with own version of products by Eleaf or others. Commission incentives to review sites.

Mostly, I agree with your post mind you and it's very informative indeed but I have to balance out those two comments on two brands I think are not good in any meaningful way.

I've got less than 2 years real experience in vaping, but spend a lot of time researching products before I buy. I don't think there's a single brand on this forum that has a worse reputation for quality, from what I've seen, than Smok. Full disclosure: I've never owned one. And yet, it seems like 80% of new member posters have just bought a Smok product. That's pretty good marketing, I guess. So to be generous, it could partially be a numbers game - if they're selling that many units, they're bound to get more complaints. Either way, they seem to be making products people want....or maybe just products vape shops love to sell.

And I have to be honest..."drop-ability" is way down my list of features/qualities I look for. But I know it is important to many people. Take no offense, CumulusRoom - I do agree with much of your post, and it will be helpful to many. Thanks for taking the time to write it up.:thumb:
 

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I am going to say smok does what it does well snazzy looking mods (I think they do color really pretty great) that are designed to put out a lot of clouds, and to also look fun, have talk ability factor and etc. They do a great job of marketing to vape shops and are affordable, even with vape shop markup but they do LESS and they do it less well than many quality mods, and really have a shelf life in my opinion. If you always want the next latest and talked about and be part of the mod of the month club with your pals, then that's what smok is for.

If you can make it last JUST long enough for the next great smok mod that will make you the envy of all your smok peers, well smok is for you.

Also, there's a certain age group where interesting and fun turns into durable and craftsmanship and I'm in the latter group.

I am also very clumsy and don't buy Smok which I pretty much despise or KT (which I think does have a few really good setups) but I'm pretty much guaranteed that if it's breakable, I will eventually break it and etc. so I have different things in mind.


I will ALSO note there are probably some VERY HIGH END mods I wouldn't buy because I'd be too afraid of breaking it, so it's not even always about price really, it's about what works for the individual VAPER and etc.

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I think at least a part of the purchasing process is finding something that looks good to you or at least catches your eye. If a mod looks to you like a brick with graffiti on it you're probably not going to buy it no matter how good its reviews are. What Smok excels at is making so many different looking mods that at least one will appeal to almost everyone. Unfortunately, by the time a production line gets good at making a certain product they have to retool and start making a new model. And that's probably where the most mistakes are made. In their rush to constantly push out new models, QA is likely to be a little lax in an effort to meet deadlines.
 
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And yet, it seems like 80% of new member posters have just bought a Smok product. That's pretty good marketing, I guess. So to be generous, it could partially be a numbers game - if they're selling that many units, they're bound to get more complaints.

They would sell well without marketing i.m.o. Smok is innovative, attractive and always cheaper than most brands.

The numbers game is true sometimes, but I once ran a search for

"problems with Smok ****" and got 746,000 hits.

then

"problems with Aspire ****" and got under 100.

I don't believe Smok outsell Aspire 7,500 products to 1.

That's impossible.

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in the UK, people say Honda is the most reliable car make.

Yeh.... but people who buy Hondas usually pay a bit more (they have more money and often buy outright) and get them serviced on time, drive them slow and are about 103 years old.

I've had 2 (not 103 years old) and they were great.

Hondas would be less reliable bought by younger drivers who sometimes can't afford servicing.

... a bit like Smok products.... if they were all bought by 60 year old vapers, they'd be way more reliable....

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