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[brandeeashlynn]

just an fyi. about faith and government i ama christian conservative and have been a smoker for years. the people that founded this country liked tobacco lol. and today alot of conservatives like my self support smoking alterantives. i think we would have better luck with addresing this to the conservative party leaders and republicans they are more willing to work with us based on thier past association with these kinds of things, you might be surprised. the congressman that was smoking ths ecig was a republican. just so everyone is clear i am not suggesting anyone change thier politcal view, i am just giving another alternative route

 

[exogenesis]

... *possible big business approaches to senator* ...

In another world:

Chinese (or other) manufacturer(s) to Senator:

I know you think we're syphoning tax away from you country, why not let us
set up a controlled manufacturing facility in the USA, and then tax e-liquid reasonably.
We can supply safer nicotine doses to smokers who wish to convert, see our extensive
safety report and FDA approval application.
Everybody benefits, and since it's a free competative market only the players that
have had monopolies until now will cry foul.
Here's an generous incentive donation to help you consider you decision whether to back our proposal.

Excuse me now, there's another senator over there...

 

[TropicalBob]

There was a link not long ago to a long article about Big Pharma's plans to some day control the nicotine supply. No ifs, ands or buts. Tobacco is heading toward worldwide bans on usage, so addicts will need alternatives. Enter Big Pharma. It can supply safe, regulated nicotine for anything. Just .. pay up.

And note the article about Philip Morris' work more than 20 years ago to create a nicotine inhaler called the Aria. It could be marketed quickly after approvals -- and PM no doubt follows federal protocol like our Chinese manufacturers did not.

E-smoking is the future of nicotine use. What is happening now is a transition power play that will shake out the dollars needing distribution. And China need not stick out a hand! The present system begged for a ban -- and will likely get it soon

 

[vaporuser]

My prepaid order from China is still being held by the FDA. It's been a month now. No explanation, no update from UPS, no action from the Chinese company. Who do you call? Vaporbusters?

 

[leaford]

But it makes people feel as if they are doing something and signing one petition might lead to a letter then to a phone call Being active takes baby steps and while you may be totally right, it is a great motivational tool.

Around here, I read a lot of discussion and don't really see a lot of doing... so I am happy to see this.

Perhaps, but human nature is that people are more likely to just do the easy quick online petition, feel they've "done something," and be satisfied with that. Useless gestures tend to replace real action, not lead to it. I'd suggest people skip the petition and write an actual hand written, snail mailed letter to their congresspersons instead.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Perhaps, but human nature is that people are more likely to just do the easy quick online petition, feel they've "done something," and be satisfied with that. Useless gestures tend to replace real action, not lead to it. I'd suggest people skip the petition and write an actual hand written, snail mailed letter to their congresspersons instead.

True. The best course of action is straight to the figure head. I have been extremely pleased with all of the well written letters popping up around here. I knew my fellow members were talented, but many of the letters are just beautiful.

 

[SABOTEUR]

But it makes people feel as if they are doing something and signing one petition might lead to a letter then to a phone call Being active takes baby steps and while you may be totally right, it is a great motivational tool.

Around here, I read a lot of discussion and don't really see a lot of doing... so I am happy to see this.

Well said.

You gotta start somewhere...this is as good a place as any.

And if a poorly written petition inspires action that someone considers more productive, so much the better.

 

[AnglVapin]

Read this if you think the FDA is just concerned with helping us poor smokers.
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> Pharmacia & Upjohn officials told the panel that its Nicotrol inhaler is the first nicotine replacement therapy that addresses the urge for nicotine as well as the physical urges that drive smokers to put a cigarette in their mouths and puff, officials said. That's key for some smokers who aren't able to quit using currently available nicotine patches and gum, the company said.
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> Erowid Tobacco Vault : Article #1


There is also a heated post of comments on E-cigs here;


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All e-smokers need to be vocal and get involved

Does anyone know what vapor is used to deliver the nicotine in the nicotrol inhaler?

I have searched for info but have not been able to find it.

On a side note, I know 2 of my Senators & Reps personally and will set up a meeting with them to dicuss this. One of them is a closet smoker, so I intend to bring one of my new e-cigs for him to try. (Shame I ordered ALL PINK!) lol

Will let you guys and gals know what kind of reception I received. My hope is to convert ONE!

 

[DisMan]

Correct. The second a company makes a health or medical claim for a product, it falls under FDA jurisdiction and the FDA can shut them down, steal all of their products, and basically put them out of business. For example, if a company is selling limes, and they claim that their limes cure scurvy, they now have to deal with the FDA.

I thought limes did cure scurvy.....or was that sarcasm?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Does anyone know what vapor is used to deliver the nicotine in the nicotrol inhaler?

I have searched for info but have not been able to find it.

On a side note, I know 2 of my Senators & Reps personally and will set up a meeting with them to dicuss this. One of them is a closet smoker, so I intend to bring one of my new e-cigs for him to try. (Shame I ordered ALL PINK!) lol

Will let you guys and gals know what kind of reception I received. My hope is to convert ONE!

AnglVapin--it is a benign aerosol just like the ones used aerosol asthma inhalors, just like air under pressure----Sun

 

[taz3cat]

Nictrol inhalor has 10mg pure nictoine and the user can vape 4mg per cartages some is lost to evopration.So I have been told. Go to the manufacturers site they should have all this information that you could print out or check Merck's drug book or other consumwer drug books and their is th PDR, Physcian Desk Referance book.

I sure hope your successful with the Senators.

 

[ratfink]

In another world:

Chinese (or other) manufacturer(s) to Senator:

I know you think we're syphoning tax away from you country, why not let us
set up a controlled manufacturing facility in the USA, and then tax e-liquid reasonably.
We can supply safer nicotine doses to smokers who wish to convert, see our extensive
safety report and FDA approval application.
Everybody benefits, and since it's a free competative market only the players that
have had monopolies until now will cry foul.
Here's an generous incentive donation to help you consider you decision whether to back our proposal.

Excuse me now, there's another senator over there...

If China really wanted to they could send a letter like this:

USA,

You owe us $739B and you need more money. Drop your pants.

Love,
China

But I doubt e-cigs will be the issue to press that.

 

[Vaporpuff]

If China really wanted to they could send a letter like this:

USA,

You owe us $739B and you need more money. Drop your pants.

Love,
China

But I doubt e-cigs will be the issue to press that.

HAHAHAHAHa Love it.


We need to get organized and settle this chaos! Lets make a thread solely for the fight against the ban with updates and what not on the issue. For all who have written a letter to their senators and politicians, please post them for future use as a template for some. Any feedback should be chronicled!

 

[KatyS]

A special thank you to AnglVapin, keep us posted on your meeting.

 

[Faethe]

Thanks so much for the good news Well done