In Stock / Out of Stock - What's Up at MadVapes

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Mike36609

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Ok, so three of four days ago I get a notice from MV telling me the Octopus rda is back in stock. I immediately go to the site to place an order - site says it's out of stock. Repeat next day, same result, repeat next day, same result, repeat next day, same result, there seems to be a trend developing here!

A couple of days ago I get an e-mail notice from MV telling they are restocking cartos. I immediately go to the site to place an order - site says both of my favorites are out of stock. Repeat next day, same result, repeat today, same result. What the HECK is going on at madvapes!!!
 

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Great point Mike.. We were looking at a soluton for this all week.

There are two main issues, 1) keeping enough stock for everyone, 2) limiting or delaying wholesale sales.

We sell to a lot of wholesale customers who are happy to see 300 octopuses come in and buy them all. Same thing with cartos and other items.

While we want to keep all of our customers happy, the wholesale purchasers are scoring most of the new incoming items and by the time a retail person comes on, the products are sold out :(

What we are proposing to do is to delay the availabilty of wholesale purchases of certain products so that everyone has a chance to get them. It's still in the works but will hopefully help with product availabilty a bit.

We're also looking at how to buy more :) Our warehouse is jammed but items come and go quickly and it's all about getting enough of evertything to keep it available longer.

We're still working out the details of how it's going to work but think both solutions will help.

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Mike36609

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No, I read everything correctly, I read that you said MV would try to fix this, not that MV would fix this. I read that you said the new system/process would hopefully help with product availability a bit, not that the new system/process would greatly improve product availability, which is what needs to happen.

Nowhere in what I read did it say that MV would make the retail/small-quantity buyer the priority, if this were the case it seems unreasonable to believe that it would take a week, or more, to find a solution. And, the fact that, at least as things currently exist, bulk-buyers/wholesalers have an unfair advantage, you are in essence forcing me to locate other venders where I can find the products I want and need in a timely manner; Perhaps the same wholesaler who bought your complete inventory of one or multiple products.

Don’t take this personally, I am not mad you personally, I’m sure you are a great guy, and as I said, I appreciate your honesty, surprised by it actually; You deserve recognition for that. I am more than a little peeved with MV overall. I’ve been waiting weeks for you to get a product in stock, I get an e-mail notice telling me the product is available, I see and respond to the e-mail within three hours, and damn, OUT OF STOCK, because a couple of big buyers bought 300 items – your entire inventory – thanks, but no thanks.

Maybe MV needs to decide if they want to be a retailer or a wholesaler, difficult to do both, but it is possible if the business is smart and disciplined about their manner of operations. Bulk buyers mean a large, sudden influx of cash to the business, with smaller margins, and small-quantity buyers mean larger margins, increased storage and handling costs, and a smoother stream of incoming revenue.

I started vaping about 16 months ago, bought my first kit from MV, buy mod parts from MV, buy APVs from MV, and most importantly for MV, recommended MV to anyone who asked me about e-cigs, that being friends, people I run into, and the customers in my own business when they ask. I did this not because of the great prices I got from MV, I could have gotten almost everything I have ever bought from MV somewhere else for a better price, not much maybe, but a little bit lower. I did this because I liked the convenience of one-stop shopping, and because MV had great customer service. I understand that MV is growing, that’s great, good for you, I wish you much success, but you better understand why you were growing.
 
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I hear you Mike, and sometimes a problem has to slap you in the forehead before you see it's a problem. Not really realizing why we were out of stock on some products immediately was a challenge, that seems obvious now, but we anticipated it.

Implementing a process that involves programming, database changes and automation to limit availabilty of new products to wholesale buyers does take time and planning to implement. The word try just means that somewhere our process is going to affect someone, whether it be a loyal retail customer or a loyal wholesale customer, either way someone will be affected and not like it. We hope the effect will be positive for most but there will be a negative effect from this for those that are delayed. It's a trade off but we do realize that no action is certainly not helping people like you, which we want to be our priority.

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I just happend to pop into rhe MV forum and saw this. Many growing online companies have solved this exact peoblem over the years by simply setting up a "wholesale only" subdomain with a separate shopping cart for their whoesale customers APART from their retail business. The wholesale site is password protected, or by pre-invite only.

Then when new stock comes in part is divided between resale and wholesale. The whole thing frankly can be set up in an afternoon by even a basic web designer. Wholesalers who are caught buying retail stock get their orders cancelled. Make that a zero tolerance policy and youll be in good shape.

Think out of the box. There is NO REASON retail customers should EVER have to compete with wholesalers. Besides which, you' ll finally get a handle on how much of eaxh item wholesalers and retail buyers TRULY WANT and can order more appropriately in the future for them so stocks dont get depleted.

Now that Ive just made you tens of thousands of dollars, and your customers happy by providing the solution for you.... shoot me a PM and we can discuss my compensation....

Not kidding ;)
 

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I just happend to pop into rhe MV forum and saw this. Many growing online companies have solved this exact peoblem over the years by simply setting up a "wholesale only" subdomain with a separate shopping cart for their whoesale customers APART from their retail business. The wholesale site is password protected, or by pre-invite only.

Then when new stock comes in part is divided between resale and wholesale. The whole thing frankly can be set up in an afternoon by even a basic web designer. Wholesalers who are caught buying retail stock get their orders cancelled. Make that a zero tolerance policy and youll be in good shape.

Think out of the box. There is NO REASON retail customers should EVER have to compete with wholesalers. Besides which, you' ll finally get a handle on how much of eaxh item wholesalers and retail buyers TRULY WANT and can order more appropriately in the future for them so stocks dont get depleted.

Now that Ive just made you tens of thousands of dollars, and your customers happy by providing the solution for you.... shoot me a PM and we can discuss my compensation....

Not kidding ;)

We're currently spinning off Vapersupply.com to seperate wholesale and retail. Takes a bit longer than a few hours though :) But it's a great solution..

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Well installing and configuring the site software is a couple hours. Putting up design and inventory takes awhile longer. Then again I used to do put up four or five sites a day with content.... hand coded too. To me, the automation with most ecommerce software takes minutes. Back when I began working on the net Google didnt even exist. So yeah for me and most of the programmers I know, its a coupe hours, but Im glad I dont do that stuff anymore.

Im glad you see the value in separating them out. It truly will allow you grow faster and will make retail customers happier. Just dont let those wholesale buyers poach the retail side. It takes a little watching but its worth it.
 

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yes I was allways happy with madvapes..but the last 3 month I bought 4 items somewhere else everything is allways out of stock!
I wondered how lon Chinese new years was lasting !!!one item I got notified back in stock but showed out of stock.
got a ticket in asking about the ohms module and if its going to be back...answer was ...was in but sold out .shecked just about every day !
no answer if it will be ever back in !!
you defenetly have a problem still ordering but you are loosing buisenes rolf
 

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I'm sure glad to read this thread. I am SO hoping I don't have to shop around anymore. I've been with MV a long time too, and am a little peeved at how things have been lately. I hope this new way of doing things goes into affect fast. As it is now, I'm searching high and low for the stuff I like at other vendors and I'm not having a ton of luck at it either.

...here's hopin.

Oh..and it's nice to see you here again Hoog. Really.
 

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went to your site....everything I want is still sold out!
I found a ohms module somewhere else 0 to 200 3.5 readout 9.86 free shipping ! and it has hook up instructions!!
I gues I was " lucky " to get 1 z max and two 4 botton boards . the zmax I found the info on ecf.
the hook up instructions for the "4 botton " regulators no where to be found !
well I was in manufacturing not in wholesale or retail, but it seems a problem for you.
would it be easier to let us know where you are wholesaling to ..,and take items of your catalog ?
and what will be left will have the neccecary info with it ...or at least available on the net ?
costomer service is not only shipping fast !!!
 

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Well on the bright side, this whole mess has caused me to search out new vendors. I've found a good one but finding a juice I LOVE is harder. I'm trying out lots of little bottles of different flavors trying to find a new favorite.

I remember a while back there were probs with customs, but I thought that was all sorted out.
 

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e-liquid is particularly tough right now. dhl in hong kong has refused to ship larger than 10ml bottles. We've been using air as an alternative which brings it into freight peeps in Charlotte. FDA and Customs in Charlotte doesn't see nearly the volume that NY or one of the big ports sees, so they like to play around with the orders for a while :(

Hardware is really supply and demand. We get it in and it goes right out it seems, good for us but bad for our stock levels. We're working to correct this still but it takes time.

hoog
 
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