Info Overload , mixing help for Flavor apprentice

[binaryman]

This is for those hard core scientists out there! It's not for the faint of heart

There is so much information out there for mixing along with calculators galore. For those that have painstakingly provided this information, I apologize for not being more diligent.

I am going to try and do this realtime in this message. Feel free to provide feedback please. Hopefully it will make sense.


I am going to mix 48mg of PG/Nic down to 24mg in a 3ml bottle.

I am thinking of taking 1.5ml of the PG/Nic + 1 ml of VG. Then using a dropper for the flavor to make a Blueberry Extra eliquid.

Those are the only ingredients I have. I don't have any extra flavoring, sweetner or anything like that.


So that would be

50% PG/Nic
~35% VG
~15% Flavor.

My guess is the 15% flavor might be to strong. So am readjusting to:

50% PG/Nic -> 1.5ml
45% VG -> 1.35ml
5% Flavor -> 0.15ml

Hmm. how to get .15ml will be tough..

On second thought, I probably need to measure how many drops to a ml with the dropper I am going to use, then since the total quantity is only 3ml, then simply use the dropper.

However based on recommended practices, the ideal solution is to test flavor without the nic to save money.. So I am going to try and attempt a no-nic formula:

80% VG -> 2.28 ml
15% Distilled water -> 0.67 ml
5% Flavor -> 0.15 ml

Going to plug these numbers into some of the eJuice calculators to try and get the number of drops.

Going to resort to an ejuice calculator for a non nic solution with VG, Water and Flavor:

I tried using an Android app for a no nic recipe but it kept insisting on a percentage of PG, which I don't have. This was eliquid Recipe Manager.

Resorting to eJuice Me Up Calculator... Not any good for me. I am a newbie. I can't figure out how to get it to stop giving me a negative PG ml/drops/% for a no nic dilluted VG mix.

Trying TW Calculator on Android..Forced close when trying to enter 0 mg strength. Resorting to slider mode... with 0 base strength, 0 Final strength, 5% flavor.

Result is:

95% VG 86 drops
05% Flavor 3 drops

But no indication of VG dilution with water.

Using my own calculator on diluting the VG at 15% distilled water.

80% VG 73 drops
15% Water 13 drops
05% Flavor 03 drops

So, I will try that and see if I like it. If I like it then I need to go with:

50% PG/Nic to get 24mg. 45 drops
45% VG 42 drops
05% Flavor 03 drops

Tried to confirm with android eliquid recipe manager for android. It still asks for a solution of PG and the drops are smaller but my drop size is based on TW's calculator, so that's not a problem. Just perplexed about the added PG.

Shoot tried to use e-Juice Calculator and it's showing negative PG needed. Weird, I just don't understand it.

Trying to confirm with TW calculator:

TW calculator says

50% PG/Nic 30 drops 1.50ml
45% VG 41 drops 1.36ml
05% Flavor 03 drops 0.15ml

What I don't understand about the TW calculator is it says 41 drops of VG is 45%, but yet only 30 drops gets me 50% PG/Nic. It's like it's telling me that PG/Nic drops are bigger than the VG drops

So, as you can see from a newbie perspective using all these tools, it can be difficult at first. And trying to create a recipe at 3ml won't be exact measurements. I might be approaching this totally wrong.

I am sure their are some rounding issues.

 

[OaklandCA]

keep it simple. 50% nic juice plus 50% VG= half the strength. add a few drops of flavor--taste--ttoo weak add more flavor too strong well if you are only making 3 ml could be a problem but 3 drops should be fine--depends on the flavor--some are overpowering some quite faint.

i'm a newbie too--started out just adding flavor to a pre-mix just bought my first serious supply of nic.

 

[sophie_lapin]

step 1: go to the tractor/feed supply and get some USP PG.
You need this to mix down your Nic within your recipe.... this is why you get that error report on the calculator.

You need the PG because you are using the Go-go and it has been finicky with too much VG. Keep your PG/VG ratio at 70/30 or at 80/20.

I have not used the Blueberry Extra, but I would start at 10% flavoring and Im guessing 15% would be more like it based on my experience with Perfumer's Apprentice.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Just do it man

The TW calculator looks way off to me. Just an FYI but uncut VG tends to have a larger drop size than PG but don't worry about that too much. We can just make an assumption that say, 20 drops = 1ml. It will be a little inaccurate because it depends on the properties of the liquid and the dropper, but it's good enough. On that basis, .15ml of flavour = 3 drops.

 

[binaryman]

Just do it man

The TW calculator looks way off to me. Just an FYI but uncut VG tends to have a larger drop size than PG but don't worry about that too much. We can just make an assumption that say, 20 drops = 1ml. It will be a little inaccurate because it depends on the properties of the liquid and the dropper, but it's good enough. On that basis, .15ml of flavour = 3 drops.

Well said! But it would be really cool to go with an intuitive sense and have a calculator whose result shows a picture of the bottle with the different liquids in it at the various levels. Then I can just eyeball it as I pour the ingredients in.

Well I went ahead and mixed it. I decided to do it with the nicotine added.

I took the dropper and put the required number of drops of Nic in it and it turned out my drops where smaller. By the time I had the nic juice in it, I was only 1/4 of the way into the 3ml bottle. So I decided to double up the drops across the board.. Lost count . So I said screw it and I just kept dropping away until the bottle looked half full. Then I added the couple of drops x2 of the flavor, then filled it the rest of the way with VG.

The result was a light blueberry flavor.. So I added a couple of drops of distilled water and several more drops of blueberry so now I don't know what kind of mix I have going on , but it I would say it's a 50% nic, 30% VG, 5% water, 15% Flavor. Used over half the 3ml bottle into my cartos, the remaining solution .. well, never mind.. I am vaping and it isn't disgusting, that's what counts

I will try to do better next time.

Thanks for the advice and I will see about getting the pure PG.

 

[Sdh]

Ecigexpress.com has a simple DIY calculator. Have fun.

 

[binaryman]

Ecigexpress.com has a simple DIY calculator. Have fun.

Wow, that worked perfectly.

 

[Sdh]

Wow, that worked perfectly.

That is the one I use...simple but effective.

 

[donnah]

That is the one I use...simple but effective.

I use this one too!