Ingrediants list comparason

[BigJimW]

Someone asked to put up a list of the ingrediants of electronic cigarette juice and compare it to a real analog

Well, I decided to make it a press release:

Moonport Productions Pressroom 1 - Ingrediants Of A Real Cigarette To An Electronic Cigarette

Discuss.

 

[Vista Chris]

Someone asked to put up a list of the ingrediants of electronic cigarette juice and compare it to a real analog

Well, I decided to make it a press release:

Moonport Productions Pressroom 1 - Ingrediants Of A Real Cigarette To An Electronic Cigarette

Discuss.

Nice. We do a very similar comparison on our website, and I actually keep it in my signature for quick reference - "cartomizer ingredients"

It's quite the choice...

Edit: We also did alot of research to try to put the chemical ingredients in easier to understand terms, and are working on links to all the sources as well.

Keep the info coming.

 

[Mac]

seems like kind of a no brainer doesn't it? I wonder what we vapers ever did to the federal government to make them want us dead so very badly....

 

[Minimike]

Comparing e-juice to analogs is useless.

The FDA can not ban analogs, the law won't allow it.
Analogs are proven bad for you. Just because the e-cig is less bad, doesn't make it acceptable. As an example : The .50 BMG is a very effective killer of humans. But, the .22RF is a less effective killer, so it is OK to shoot people with it?

The FDA is requiring clinical trials and lab reports on the contents of this 'new drug.' The responsibility for providing this information lies with Dekang, et al.
The suppliers are just resellers, not the manufacturer. e-Smokey Treats and Eastmall are just CVS and Walgreens.

 

[seminolewind]

Hey, where did you get all those e-liquid ingredients from? I thought it was just pg, nicotine, flavoring and water?
With those tags, does that mean if someone types in one of those tags on the web, this blog will come up?

 

[Porphy]

Your e-cigarette ingredient listing seems to be least abundant to most abundant. I believe it's common practice to put the highest amount first - just the OCD person in me but wouldn't the first ingredients look better with PG, glycerol, and water at the top, followed closely by vanilla extract and rose oil?

Starts it off better, but I'm just a nit-picker.

 

[Our House]

Good work Jim.

Doing a quick page search, it appears that many (ALL?) of the ingredients in ecigs are in tobacco cigs. Is that true? There were 22 ingredients on the ecig list.

 

[Vista Chris]

Comparing e-juice to analogs is useless.

I disagree.

The difference in the ingredients is the reason that I vape. It's probably the most relevant information to this entire industry.

Anyone buying/using these products should have all information about them, made available to them, and that includes the ingredients and how they compare with their analog "lung darts".

 

[Vista Chris]

Hey, where did you get all those e-liquid ingredients from? I thought it was just pg, nicotine, flavoring and water?
With those tags, does that mean if someone types in one of those tags on the web, this blog will come up?

This is what I mean too. It is "just" those things, but "flavoring" means you need a variety of essential oils to produce all the different tastes, and in different levels.

I will also note that different liquids have different "flashpoints", which is why the level of PG can also vary flavor to flavor, or manufacturer to manufacturer.

The temperature of the atomizer should reflect the best flashpoint for all the ingredients in that particular liquid to produce the best vapor.

 

[Porphy]

The suppliers are just resellers, not the manufacturer. e-Smokey Treats and Eastmall are just CVS and Walgreens.

That's not to say they don't have the means or reason to produce and independent study on their product. Every person/company has an ethical obligation to ensure their consumers well-being. It wouldn't be setting precedent for a reseller to take responsibility for their customers safety and do some comprehensive testing/studies.

It's also good business sense. If the manufacturer isn't supplying the tests required to keep a product in circulation shouldn't the reseller step up and do something to keep their livelihood in tact? To maintain current revenue and ensure future prospective revenue by taking some prescribed steps is common sense.

 

[ladyraj]

Please keep in mind that all ingredients from tobacco formulations are proprietary recipes, and therefore, only a portion of the true ingredients. There have been allegations of up to 10,000 chemicals from the combustion process of burning tobacco. No one knows all that is in tobacco smoke after decades of studies. If these facts are known to be true...and the products are sold everywhere...it would appear as if eliquid with lesser ingredients would be a shoe in.

By all means necessary demonstrate the lesser ingredient aspect of harm reduction but the point that is being missed is...that we don't know what's in tobacco smoke why should we be mandated to know all about vapor? Throw in the individual differences that naturally occur in the populace and it would be impossible to prove that an ex-smoker benefitted at all from e-cigs except from anecdotal self-report. It becomes the old "I believe it to be true" argument for/against health claims. What is the probability that a scientist can identify risk factors for illness in an ex-smoker seperate from the e-cig. I submit if we answer this one question all fears would be allayed.

 

[dntbuyblu]

I sent your report to the AG in oregon waiting for a responce!

 

[westcoast2]

What is the probability that a scientist can identify risk factors for illness in an ex-smoker seperate from the e-cig. I submit if we answer this one question all fears would be allayed

Good point. Let's assume it is a new product. What would be the baseline for passing the product safe? Does the e-cig meet this standard?

On a slightly different tact, Alcohol is a known carcinogen (In CA only apparently if abused - P65 list), if I wanted to market a new Beer would the recipe be considered a new drug? In any case would the new beer need to be tested for safety? If it does would it be compared to other beers or against a general safety baseline?

 

[ladyraj]

Good point. Let's assume it is a new product. What would be the baseline for passing the product safe? Does the e-cig meet this standard?

On a slightly different tact, Alcohol is a known carcinogen (In CA only apparently if abused - P65 list), if I wanted to market a new Beer would the recipe be considered a new drug? In any case would the new beer need to be tested for safety? If it does would it be compared to other beers or against a general safety baseline?

I would suspect that paperwork susbmitted to the FDA would come up with a lengthy report with ingredient lists and typical wording that demonstrates the e-cig as a "bioequivalent" to already marketed products. The example you cite is an excellent one. The paperwork for a light beer recipe would have to demonstrate the "light" when compared to a non-light variety. Of course light or lite or any other adjective would have to be defined as in light of calories or alcohol, etc. This makes the new beer recipe a bioequivalent one and has far less paperwork.

 

[BigJimW]

Hey, where did you get all those e-liquid ingredients from? I thought it was just pg, nicotine, flavoring and water?
With those tags, does that mean if someone types in one of those tags on the web, this blog will come up?

I got it from the bestecig site. One of the few that list all the ingredients. The sources to the lists are at the end of the article.

 

[BigJimW]

Please keep in mind that all ingredients from tobacco formulations are proprietary recipes, and therefore, only a portion of the true ingredients.

You mean there's MORE? 8-o

At least Cornel Sanders only had 11 to worry about.

 

[evilpettingzoo]

Great find just glad I'm not sucking in urea anymore.

 

[BigJimW]

Great find just glad I'm not sucking in urea anymore.

I was wondering when someone picked up on that ingredient.

Dem analogs are tasty now, aren't they?

 

[Porphy]

I was wondering when someone picked up on that ingredient.

Dem analogs are tasty now, aren't they?

Well they taste like #2 so it's not a big surprise that they have #1 in them as well.

 

[cuda333]

Someone asked to put up a list of the ingrediants of electronic cigarette juice and compare it to a real analog

Well, I decided to make it a press release:

Moonport Productions Pressroom 1 - Ingrediants Of A Real Cigarette To An Electronic Cigarette

Discuss.

How about a list of known carcinogens is each product to help drive the point across... Depending on the websites i've been looking at..analogs have about 40-60 carcinogens in them