Inhaling METAL??? I'm soooo worried..

[rothenbj]

Bear in mind that the "Smoking Everywhere Platinum" ecig has not been on the market for years. In fact, Smoking Everywhere is no longer is business. One wonders where the Truebot got her samples...

The technology gas changed so much since those early atomizers. That research, that I don't place much value on based on the source, is very irreverent in the APV world with rebuildable atomizers and many with replaceable heads.

 

[AgentAnia]

Here's the scenario I have in my mind about this "study": The Truebot actually did research several APVs and current cigalikes, but couldn't find anything unfavorable to report, so scrap those results! So she calls up a crony in FDA and asks them if they have any of those Smoke Everywhere cigalikes the agency studied in 2009. "We sure do!" was FDA's answer, "how about we send you a few? They've been moldering away, gathering dust in a back closet all these years. We think they're just what you need!" And the rest we all know...

(Oh, and they threw in the Mistic for appearance's sake, because that's what was sold in the drugstore around the corner from the lab...)

 

[jwark]

I'm just waiting to see who's smart enough to make ecigs and eliquids that they can stamp boldly on the package:
"Meets all applicable FDA standards"

The keyword being 'applicable' of course.

Alot of hardware comes stamped "CE" which as I understand it, is a sort of semi voluntary approval/standards system used in the EU where they have their published standards, and when manufacturers on their own produce stuff manufactured in compliance with these standards the manufacturer stamps them "CE" - which does not mean that they are approved or anything, it just means that the manufacturer CLAIMS that the product meets the standards applicable; if the product is found to not be complaint then I guess the manufacturer will have a problem, but the thing is the manufacturer doesn't have to wait for approval, he just needs to follow the standards.

I've always been under the impression the reason why the fda is taking so long to regulate it is because they simply can not find any current standard that ecigs do not qualify under. To impose really any significant restrictions that would hurt ecigs, they would have to hurt things they already approve of.

Or maybe that's just being paranoid? I don't know, it seems like they are desperately trying to find something.

 

[Kent C]

Here's the scenario I have in my mind about this "study": The Truebot actually did research several APVs and current cigalikes, but couldn't find anything unfavorable to report, so scrap those results! So she calls up a crony in FDA and asks them if they have any of those Smoke Everywhere cigalikes the agency studied in 2009. "We sure do!" was FDA's answer, "how about we send you a few? They've been moldering away, gathering dust in a back closet all these years. We think they're just what you need!" And the rest we all know...

(Oh, and they threw in the Mistic for appearance's sake, because that's what was sold in the drugstore around the corner from the lab...)

That was my take too. She's reporting 2009 stuff in 2014. Doesn't matter to her as long as it scares people who may have not heard it back then.

 

[MorpheusPA]

I've always been under the impression the reason why the fda is taking so long to regulate it is because they simply can not find any current standard that ecigs do not qualify under. To impose really any significant restrictions that would hurt ecigs, they would have to hurt things they already approve of.

Or maybe that's just being paranoid? I don't know, it seems like they are desperately trying to find something.

While it's a little paranoid, I'm not so sure you're that far off. Consider:

PG: Please, what doesn't use it? We feed the stuff to cattle, use it as a food preservative...
VG: Ditto.
Flavorings: Er, well, ditto.

Batteries, devices, unfilled toppers: Not under the FDA's auspices.

Nicotine: BINGO! However, it has pharmacological uses and the FDA wouldn't imagine getting in the way of drug development, for obvous reasons (some of which are actually pretty humanitarian!)

However, the wheels of government (like those of justice) grind exceedingly slowly, but exceedingly fine.

The FDA has already submitted one set of regulations to the White House and had them rejected as too restrictive. New regulations aren't expected until fall at this point, as it does take six months or so to revise them.

Post that, there will be an open review period, followed by an implementation window (which I expect will include lawsuits from various manufacturers and a series of injunctions).

Then, and only then, will the new rules go into effect. I cannot imagine that will be before 2016, and possibly not even then.

 

[rothenbj]

Time is our friend from the standpoint of the FDA. However the trash studies out of the Slantz faction plus the over hyping they get from the lazy media keeps the ban and taxing machines at the state level on fire. The "what about the children" and "we just don't know" plus "long term effect" gives the window Regressives need to apply repressive legislation. Meanwhile, people continue dying from smoking.

 

[Kent C]

Time is our friend from the standpoint of the FDA. However the trash studies out of the Slantz faction plus the over hyping they get from the lazy media keeps the ban and taxing machines at the state level on fire. The "what about the children" and "we just don't know" plus "long term effect" gives the window Regressives need to apply repressive legislation. Meanwhile, people continue dying from smoking.

Exactly right. You have to make something a 'Sin' before you can charge a 'Sin Tax'. And the bigger the sin, the bigger the tax.