I was at the laundromat a couple of days ago and subconsciously without thinking I pulled put my e-cig and took a drag. The owner looked up at me and started to give me the look of death then I heard him say "oh" and he smiled and went back to working. Well at that point I held the drag in and walked outside real fast. Normally I don't encroach on others spaces or property but it was an interesting reaction to my mistake.
Interesting response to accidently vaping inside a business
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I was in a poker room (the only place in the Shreveport casino's that is smoke free) and I decided to vape. And wow not one single person had anything negative to say. I actually had 2 woman ask for a quick toot... I expected the dealer or pit boss's to at least approach and inquire but notta! Good times. And I won $500 ta boot, woohoo!!
Kudos to pacetx. Not so much to gold miner, who shouldn't have run away unless CA already bans indoor vaping.
Absent a law against it, you SHOULD vape indoors and discuss it with management whenever appropriate. We need allies and we don't get them by "stealth" vaping and abstaining from vaping in public. The vast majority of non-vapers need to be educated and acclimated to vaping so they don't automatically jump up and object out of fear and ignorance.
The more people like the laundromat owner and the poker room personnel, the less pressure there will be to include e-cigs in indoor smoking bans, the more vape-freindly establishments there will be and the less the public will support taxing and otherwise treating us like smokers.
If you don't want to be treated like you're doing something illegal, wrong, harmful or offensive, don't act like you are.
Absent a law against it, you SHOULD vape indoors and discuss it with management whenever appropriate. We need allies and we don't get them by "stealth" vaping and abstaining from vaping in public. The vast majority of non-vapers need to be educated and acclimated to vaping so they don't automatically jump up and object out of fear and ignorance.
The more people like the laundromat owner and the poker room personnel, the less pressure there will be to include e-cigs in indoor smoking bans, the more vape-freindly establishments there will be and the less the public will support taxing and otherwise treating us like smokers.
If you don't want to be treated like you're doing something illegal, wrong, harmful or offensive, don't act like you are.
For the most part, sailor, I hear what you are saying but, as a Private business owner I prefer people to ask first on anything pertaing to my store. Case in point, customers walking in with big sodas and dropping them on my carpet no law against it. Another, woman allowing a baby to sit on my carpet in my store, baby had a full diaper that was overflowing. No laws broken but I'm the one who has to deal with the fallout as in a carpet cleaning bill. I've thrown people out of my store because they stink from not bathing for days, no law but if my good customers run out because of the smell, I loose money. So, with that said, if a business owner feels it is detrimental to their business, I have no problem with it. Just being considerate. And always will.
That's why I said talk to management when appropriate, like in the laundromat. Rather than run out, it was an opportunity to verify that it was o.k. to vape there and to let the owner know you support his decision. Of course you should be considerate. I wouldn't be dripping e-juice on the floor or vaping double strength body odor juice. But it's a laundromat for gawd's sake, not a funeral parlor.
If a business owner already has a rule against it, fine. Depending on the business, I might try to persuade him to change his rule because 99% of the time, it's based on some misperception he has about vaping. That tactic is successful more times than not. But that's just me. I wouldn't defy his rule, but unless he has a logical reason to ban e-cigs, (and there are very few) I very well might let him know that he has lost my business. There's a reasonable chance that, rather than running away or acting like they were breaking some law, someone else had talked to the laundromat owner before about e-cigs.
In the case of the laundromat owner, rather than running away like I was ashamed, I would have thanked him for not banning e-cigs. With all the odors in the air of a typical laundromat, there is no reasonable rationale to ban e-cigs. He is to be commended for recognizing it.
If a business owner already has a rule against it, fine. Depending on the business, I might try to persuade him to change his rule because 99% of the time, it's based on some misperception he has about vaping. That tactic is successful more times than not. But that's just me. I wouldn't defy his rule, but unless he has a logical reason to ban e-cigs, (and there are very few) I very well might let him know that he has lost my business. There's a reasonable chance that, rather than running away or acting like they were breaking some law, someone else had talked to the laundromat owner before about e-cigs.
In the case of the laundromat owner, rather than running away like I was ashamed, I would have thanked him for not banning e-cigs. With all the odors in the air of a typical laundromat, there is no reasonable rationale to ban e-cigs. He is to be commended for recognizing it.
One more thing... Your "case in point" is not a case in point at all. Unless you are trying to compare vaping to stinking up a store or soiling your carpet, people slopping sodas around, soiling carpets and stinking up the place have absoultely nothing to do with anything. Do you seriously expect someone to ask if it's o.k. to stink up your store or put their filthy kid on your furnishings? Of course not. There's no law against it because it's not something that could be reasonably expected to happen with any great frequency. If push came to shove, you could sue them for destruction of property or something, but that's neither here nor there. This argument is nothing but a red herring.
There are precious few businesses where it would be detrimental to allow vaping. It's pretty easy to figure out which ones they are. In those places I don't even bother to vape or ask permission to vape. But in the vast majority of cases where vaping isn't allowed, if you bother to find out why, it's because the owner/manager has absolutely no clue as to what vaping is, or how it smells or what emanates from a vapers mouth. All they know is that it's called an electronic cigarette. And because it has the word "cigarette" in the name, it must be stinky, dangerous, illegal or all of the above. Those are the situations where we need to establish or verify permission to vape. What rationale does a bar have not to allow vaping? None at all, besides the mis-perceptions I've mentioned. I have turned around several of them by a simple 5 minute discussion with the manager, a 100% success rate. Had I snuck out back with the smokers, they'd probably still be banning vaping.
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Thanks for your kind words Although I don't understand why you need to insinuate that I'm ashamed of what I did. "rather than running away like I was ashamed" And the Red Herring crack. Maybe what I said had some overtones towards you, if they did, I didn't mean for them to. Cheers!
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As long as people know what it is and let you show them there is no smell, then they would be ok with it. What are the places where it would be detrimental? Hospital I suppose? I dunno. My gf's dad saw me pull out me cheap e cig and he was like nope, not in here you're not and my gf was like it doesn't smell. So he saw that it did not and he was ok with it.
Living in Redding, I'm surprised you haven't been sued or picketed for discriminating against dirty diapers and the unhygienic!
Yo Mactrekr, I agree, I had a kid come in my store once and he proceded to cuss me out, I mean really cuss me out, I proceeded to tell him to get the blank out of my store and 10 minutes later the cops showed up and told me I should be arrested for what I said. If that wasn't funny enough, a few months later I got robbed and the police never showed up. WTF!
Any cop that told me I should be arrested for foul language would be told to get the blank out and go read the constitution... Can't imagine any cop around here doing it though. I actually find myself deeply offended by the thought of any officer of the law being that wide eyed stupid.
Gold Miner, I was from Nor. Cal. as well, Little town called Scotts Valley. I left, screaming..... It'd take an act of God to get me to move back. That place is truly the land of fruits and nuts. We used to say, in Cali, you can tell you're living in the a city if you call the cops and a guy with a blue uniform shows up. You can tell you live in the county if you call the cops and nobody shows up.
Let's see...Hmm.... You said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that you held it in and ran out fast, even though the owner clearly indicated he had no objection. I said you ran "like" you were ashamed. What inference could one reasonably draw? You were sick and about to vomit? You saw someone you knew in the parking lot? You were embarrassed? You were afraid the owner was trying to trick you and was about to assault you for vaping in his laundromat?
Since many people have a harder time quitting the mental attitudes of a smoker than the act of smoking itself, it doesn't surprise me that they continue to act like a smoker long past the point at which they quit smoking. Years of being demeaned and browbeaten and shamed and ostracized is hard to shed. It manifests itself in this craven attitude I keep seeing from vapers, especially new ones.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that you posses the subservient, frightened and craven attitude of many new vapers who can't yet break the mindset that sends them scurrying into the shadows of smoking areas and makes them perfectly comfortable to be treated like a smoker. I'm only trying to explain why, when I hear of someone doing what you did, I naturally attribute it to the psychological state that smokers are beaten into by decades of discrimination and scorn.
As for the red-herring, it wasn't a "crack". I confess that perhaps red herring wasn't exactly technically accurate. How about irrelevant and beside the point? Is that better? Either way, they had no "overtones" toward me and I'm smart enough to recognize the insulting inference. I don't disagree for a second with your right to ban anyone from your store for any reason. I never said anyone should just presume it's o.k. to vape anywhere. But you can't equate vaping with poor hygiene or rude people with dirty children and I don't believe that the reasons you would protect your store against dirty diapers are the same as the reasons you would ban vaping. If you do, perhaps that says something about you, not me. Or, maybe you shouldn't vape juice that smells like dirty diapers.
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Surprisingly, many hospitals allow vaping, especially in private and semi-private rooms if the "roomie" doesn't object. There are really very, very few legitimate reasons not to allow vaping. By legitimate, I don't mean because someone is so blinded by hate and ignorance that they just cannot stand the sight of something that looks like smoke emanating from another person's mouth. After all, if that's considered legitimate, then it would justify banning mixed-race couples, long haired people and anyone else who is the target of prejudice and malice. The only legitimate reason is safety. If a slight odor is a legitimate reason, then air fresheners, perfume, after shave, all types of cosmetics, scented candles, powdered babies and darn near everything edible should be included in indoor air regulations as well.
Which brings me to a conclusion that I live in a big city here and I just asked my one friend who is bartending at a new place that had just opened up if e-cigs would be allowed, he said no. I've seen people stand outside clubs with e cigs and thought those people were strange, but now I guess I will be one ha.
Maybe you should ask to speak to the manager and find out why. When I've done that, 100% of the time it was because the manager had no idea of what an e-cig was or how it smelled or that it wasn't burning something. And 100% of the time, I convinced them to allow e-cigs within 5 or 10 minutes. You don't need to be argumentative or belligerent. Just a friendly chat and maybe a little demo. And remind them of something they already know; it doesn't pay to have your customers go outside. It's bad business.
When smoking bans for clubs was first proposed, nearly all the club owners screamed out loud that it would hurt their business. They were right, of course. Anything that encourages someone to hit the exit door will result in a certain number of people leaving for the night. They made up for it somewhat by not driving non-smokers out. But that doesn't apply with vaping. Non smokers won't be driven out if you allow vaping, but if you don't, a certain % of vapers will definitely walk outside to vape and not return. That's a fact.
On a more selfish note, I can't think of a better place to introduce vaping to non-smokers and educate them that it's not offensive or dangerous to them. We need every chance we can get to defuse the hostility that naturally accrues among non-smokers and anti-smokers to anything with the word "cigarette" in it's name. We need to take advantage of every opportunity to counter the anti e-cig propaganda machine.
I would like to see a website/database with vape friendly and vape hostile establishments listed. We vapers should reward vape friendly places and withhold our business from those who insist on treating us like 2nd class citizens. And we should let them know why we are, or are not, patronizing their businesses.
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@sailorman Wow!! Well said, I quit smoking analogs at the constant request of my now 10 year old son since he was 6, and also the arrival of my baby girl Chesni. My son was recently so scared (rightly so) that I was going to die very early. When I saw the fear in his eyes my heart broke. When I found ecigs and tried my Joye ego-T I was relieved and have not looked back. I feel like I (like so many others) have found a way to stop smoking which clears the air between me and everyone around me. I am proud of my ecig and I tell as many people as I can. 4 other people I know have followed suit because of me telling them about this great new technology. I agree shout it from the rooftops with excitement and proudly say "I am a non-smoker"!! Thank you sailorman!!
That is a good idea, if i do end up going there, I will ask. I have 2 good friends, one of which was manager of a previous bar that came to work at the new place. I helped him out a lot and he always hooked me up with drinks so I'm sure he knows who I would need to talk to. Most likely people would require a somewhat lengthy explanation of how it works.
I vape openly, i live in Alabama and I'm a college student. I am not doing anything wrong and since theres no second hand smoke i assume i already have the go ahead. I vape in the hallways, bathrooms, and outside, however, i refrain from vaping in the classroom too much unless i've informed the teacher as to not disrupt the class.
I have had younger thugish males see me vaping and approach me assuming i'm smoking ......... or something. I was standing beside the door vaping one day and a young black male with baggy clothes on walked all the way acrossed the campus to see what i was doing. He went in the door and immediately came back out, i said how are you, he said good you, i said im doing good, he replied with "i bet you are" and laughed.
I don't mind ignorance though, i actually hope people get curious and ask me about it. That is what normally happens too, and i give people madvapes or notcigs website for supplies. I have had conversations with people of all race and ages. One woman going to the college with me was 65 and in a wheel chair and i let her try it and she converted. So, i will continue to do it openly hoping i get some attention. I also make it a point to vape in front of any law enforcement i see hoping they will question me about it too. I normally have business cards and other information in my car i can educate them with if i feel im not being eloquent enough to convince them.
I vape everywhere, i encourage others to do so too. It make take 5-10 mins of your day to explain the same thing for the thousandth time, then again it could end up saving someones life, or at least educate them about alternatives. At the very least it will allow someone else to avoid the hassle of being questioned when they are seen vaping.
I have had younger thugish males see me vaping and approach me assuming i'm smoking ......... or something. I was standing beside the door vaping one day and a young black male with baggy clothes on walked all the way acrossed the campus to see what i was doing. He went in the door and immediately came back out, i said how are you, he said good you, i said im doing good, he replied with "i bet you are" and laughed.
I don't mind ignorance though, i actually hope people get curious and ask me about it. That is what normally happens too, and i give people madvapes or notcigs website for supplies. I have had conversations with people of all race and ages. One woman going to the college with me was 65 and in a wheel chair and i let her try it and she converted. So, i will continue to do it openly hoping i get some attention. I also make it a point to vape in front of any law enforcement i see hoping they will question me about it too. I normally have business cards and other information in my car i can educate them with if i feel im not being eloquent enough to convince them.
I vape everywhere, i encourage others to do so too. It make take 5-10 mins of your day to explain the same thing for the thousandth time, then again it could end up saving someones life, or at least educate them about alternatives. At the very least it will allow someone else to avoid the hassle of being questioned when they are seen vaping.
Ugh that's so disgusting. There were many experienced I encountered especially in clothing clothes where someone would be sitting at a table feeding their baby food or feeding their baby via breast. "Accidents" in the changing room. It's completely disgusting!!
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