yup i agree, that is why we waited on these, i do think you will like the aga td when dan puts those up because of the hole choices and sizes.
Yeah, it looks interesting ... I'm just not a big Genesis fan, can't get into the whole tipping / fighting gravity thing. ;-)
The Oddy clone this thread is named after is actually still one of my favorite devices ... even over the RH Ithaka clone that I have.