Introduction & choices VS rDNA40 or Yihi SX Mini Mod.

[Eric U]

I am from the Netherlands (Eindhoven) vaping for 1,5 year now and I want to say hello, to you all out there and thanks for this great E-Cig (informative) forum and his members, ment already a lot to and for me, keep up the good work !

At this moment, I am standing in doubts..with my, major delayed Cyber-Monday order for the VS rDNA40, they said it is going to be, shipped..when everything goes fine now..at the..1st week of January....so I will probably receive it..mid February.

But now there is the, Yihi SX Mini Mod okay no temperature control.. but do I really need that..I can,t remember a dry-hit, I vape at 9 to max 11 watts and I am a, mouth (only) "inhaler".

And is, the nickel-wire going to be (really) safe..to vape..I have my doubts + as I am not into RBA,s & RDA,s I am dependent to the, quit expensive VS/Aspire nautilus temperature sensing coils..and they have that, dodgy..Aspire "ceramic-paper" filler-material inside of them..

 

[bacc.vap]

Hello and welcome.

 

[Eric U]

Thanks & cheers

 

[capitaomorsa]

Welcome my friend

 

[Eric U]

Thanks and Welcome to, my European "colleague"

 

[Susan~S]

Hello and welcome to the forum Eric U. Glad to have you here!

You only have to use nickle wire if you want temperature control. I have not heard any problems with nickle wire other than it is a little harder to work with as compared to Kanthal.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/612272-official-dna-40-introduction.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/583070-vaporshark-rdna.html

 

[Eric U]

Hello Susan and Thanks a lot for your reply !

I am just standing in doubts..between the Vaporshark rDNA40 and the HiYi Sx Mini mod

I ordered a VS rDNA40 on Cybermonday as you know its been (major) delayed due Evolv...I order it, because I would like to..vape as safe and healthy as possible..so I thought great this, temperature control but, I already find it very difficult to work with Kanthal let stand with nickle-wire (seen this on You-Tube) so therefore I use, standard coils for my Mini Nautilus.

Therefore I am doubting now..the "only" advantage of the, rDNA40 compared to the, SX mini would be the temperature control and the, rock-solid box of the rDNA40..correct me when I am (seeing things) wrong

 

[caramel]

Hi Eric,
I have a first gen rDNA40 and an assortment of tanks Nautilus Mini, Silo, Atlantis and Subtank. I found the Atlantis and Subtank overpowered for my needs. I switch between the Nautilus Mini and the Silo depending on the capacity needed (at home where I have liquid at hand the Mini is my favorite, and I take the Silo at work). I use them at 8-10W. I have tried both the TSC and BVC coils and I haven't found much advantage to the TSC. In the end I mostly use BVCs (less expensive and I feel better about not sub-ohming) so I don't use the temperature control of the rDNA. I also don't use more than one quarter of its power limit.
Given that these devices contain a high power lithium battery and the associated safety risks, I would suggest that you pick the device that looks safer to you - i.e. whichever looks better designed and manufactured. I have no experience with the SX mini, however you may investigate and if it's assembled with hot glue and similar contraptions, then you may want to look at the rDNA which from a mechanical / assembly point of view is very well done. If in the end you go for the rDNA, go for the latest version with the bigger screen. They have addressed there some PCB design / insulation issues as well (good for safety). The first version was pretty botched - neither PCB conformal coating nor silicon caulking are proper electrical insulators to be seriously relied onto. I would have felt much better about it if they had fixed it with something like Kapton tape or pads.

 

[DaniB]

Welcome to ECF!

 

[Warpigs]

Welcome to ECF!

 

[daleron]

Welcome to ECF Eric, make yourself right at home

 

[Eric U]

Thanks a lot DaniB and also Happy-Holidays for you !

 

[Eric U]

Welcome to ECF Eric, make yourself right at home

Thanks Daleron and I am starting to feel at home here

 

[Eric U]

Welcome to ECF!

Cheers Warpigs

 

[Eric U]

Hi Eric,
I have a first gen rDNA40 and an assortment of tanks Nautilus Mini, Silo, Atlantis and Subtank. I found the Atlantis and Subtank overpowered for my needs. I switch between the Nautilus Mini and the Silo depending on the capacity needed (at home where I have liquid at hand the Mini is my favorite, and I take the Silo at work). I use them at 8-10W. I have tried both the TSC and BVC coils and I haven't found much advantage to the TSC. In the end I mostly use BVCs (less expensive and I feel better about not sub-ohming) so I don't use the temperature control of the rDNA. I also don't use more than one quarter of its power limit.
Given that these devices contain a high power lithium battery and the associated safety risks, I would suggest that you pick the device that looks safer to you - i.e. whichever looks better designed and manufactured. I have no experience with the SX mini, however you may investigate and if it's assembled with hot glue and similar contraptions, then you may want to look at the rDNA which from a mechanical / assembly point of view is very well done. If in the end you go for the rDNA, go for the latest version with the bigger screen. They have addressed there some PCB design / insulation issues as well (good for safety). The first version was pretty botched - neither PCB conformal coating nor silicon caulking are proper electrical insulators to be seriously relied onto. I would have felt much better about it if they had fixed it with something like Kapton tape or pads.

Hi Caramel and thanks a lot for your post ! It has been a eye-opener for me !

Especially because we are, almost "use" the same lets say, style of vaping according to the hardware and according to the use of wattage,s.

And you already have some, experience with rDNA40 together with the TSC coils and also with the, Atlantis therefore you almost answered every question I wanted to know THANKS !

I have got the, Atlantis coming to me as well, just out of curiosity I ordered it on FT just to see of sub-ohm-ing maybe is something for me according to the taste it maybe will be, according to the high-wattage,s it maybe not because I am not so keen on that and the huge usage of liquid it most definitely not will be.

Ok, back to the rDNA40..from the point of mechanical / assembly the, other box-mods of Vaporshark have already proved to be very solid on the other hand I do find it a, bit "shocking" to read that your version was..pretty botched..that is "something" I would have not aspect from Vaporshark and in the (high) price range its been sold fore.

I ordered a rDNA40 on there, Cyber-Monday sale as you probably know its been (major) delayed due the, issues with the screen and other things, caused by Evolv so I am in now for the, upgraded version with the, larger screen, zip-charging and so on but the major-downer is that I will probably receive it in February..when I am "lucky"..as they are shipping it in mid January..

According to the, safety that was a, good very good point of you ! I am also not in the, hunger for as much wattage as possible..no need for that, safety first !

I probably also would never go, higher as 15 watts ok with the, Atlantis I will go "much" higher of-course so its nice that this will be there in both the rDNA40 and in the SX mini, its there in both I do not really need that but it is nice to have..boys will be boys

Unfortunately I have not seen, anything of the inside..of the SX-mini all the reviews go on and on about the looks and features..but I believe that the SX Mini is and will be a (very) good purchase also according to the safety, Yihi is not just one of those, Chinese manufacturers they have a proven record of building high-quality and (very) reliable + also up-gradable chips.

Last, I thought the temperature control was, really a nice feature for me according to my "wish" to try to vape as "healthy" as possible but also, taste-wise I thought this will be it..but like you already experienced it dos not make much of a difference + those TSC coils are way to expensive to my opinion.

So I think I am going to cancel my order of the rDNA40 they have given me that opportunity, the wait is to long I am not going to use the temperature-control function so I go for the, SX Mini also because I read today a review according to the new 3 features of the SX Mini namely the, Soft, Normal and Power mode which do make a difference in taste or how you would like to get vaping + its always nice to have (extra) feature,s which I will be using (and to play around with

http://http://covalvapes.com/blogs/reviews/16222037-soft-standard-powerful-the-sx-mini-you

 

[Cavenerd]

Hoi! Welcome to the ECF. I think years ago I passed through Eindhoven on a scenic trip from Mons to Amsterdam. Is Eindhoven off of the E34 or maybe the 49...? It's been a while.

I have a couple of DNA40 mods and while I rarely build with Ni200 (because it is so annoying to work with) I do like the option of temperature control. In my mind, temperature is less about the "dry hits" and more about controlling the temperature at which your juice is being vaporized. There is very little evidence out right now on the potential health risks from vaping but any harmful decomposition of the juice seems to come from abnormally high vaporization temperatures.

I am not even close to being an expert here. Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos is one of the more public researchers leading the charge on some of the actual chemistry and/or health risks that might be associated with vapor. This website is a good jumping off point for further reading: Home

Having said that, if you're vaping at 11W on a tank I would think that you may not be in the high risk category for possible health risks from high power vaping. So, if you discount the temp control as a deciding factor what mod would you want?

What do you use now?

Are you ever going to explore RDA's? How about high-power vaping? The upgradability and the the extra watts would leverage my choice over to the SX mini, but I like to blow fog. If you're purely tanks and replaceable atomizers I don't know if the SX mini has much to offer over the VS. At 11W you're only using a quarter of the power available on the DNA and a sixth of the power on the SX mini.

I think the build quality on the VShark is better but I'm basing that solely on the idea that I like my VS rDNA40 and I want it to be the best.

The VShark does feel good in my hand. I never really wanted one until I went into the store to browse and held one. It felt so good I had to get one of each. **I am a touch annoyed that the VS screen is on the bottom.**

Granted, I think the SX Mini looks sleeker and, I'm guessing, probably feels pretty good in hand as well.

Are those the only two mods on the table for you? I don't want to confuse this further but there are much cheaper, and I think safe and reliable, box mods available for a similar wattage range and/or size.

-Cloupor mini
-iPV mini
-CANA DNA30
-VShark DNA

I feel like I've done more harm than good. Sorry if that's the case.

Good luck with your choice and keep coming back to the boards.

 

[Eric U]

Hoi! Welcome to the ECF. I think years ago I passed through Eindhoven on a scenic trip from Mons to Amsterdam. Is Eindhoven off of the E34 or maybe the 49...? It's been a while.

I have a couple of DNA40 mods and while I rarely build with Ni200 (because it is so annoying to work with) I do like the option of temperature control. In my mind, temperature is less about the "dry hits" and more about controlling the temperature at which your juice is being vaporized. There is very little evidence out right now on the potential health risks from vaping but any harmful decomposition of the juice seems to come from abnormally high vaporization temperatures.

I am not even close to being an expert here. Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos is one of the more public researchers leading the charge on some of the actual chemistry and/or health risks that might be associated with vapor. This website is a good jumping off point for further reading: Home

Having said that, if you're vaping at 11W on a tank I would think that you may not be in the high risk category for possible health risks from high power vaping. So, if you discount the temp control as a deciding factor what mod would you want?

What do you use now?

Are you ever going to explore RDA's? How about high-power vaping? The upgradability and the the extra watts would leverage my choice over to the SX mini, but I like to blow fog. If you're purely tanks and replaceable atomizers I don't know if the SX mini has much to offer over the VS. At 11W you're only using a quarter of the power available on the DNA and a sixth of the power on the SX mini.

I think the build quality on the VShark is better but I'm basing that solely on the idea that I like my VS rDNA40 and I want it to be the best.

The VShark does feel good in my hand. I never really wanted one until I went into the store to browse and held one. It felt so good I had to get one of each. **I am a touch annoyed that the VS screen is on the bottom.**

Granted, I think the SX Mini looks sleeker and, I'm guessing, probably feels pretty good in hand as well.

Are those the only two mods on the table for you? I don't want to confuse this further but there are much cheaper, and I think safe and reliable, box mods available for a similar wattage range and/or size.

-Cloupor mini
-iPV mini
-CANA DNA30
-VShark DNA

I feel like I've done more harm than good. Sorry if that's the case.

Good luck with your choice and keep coming back to the boards.

Hoi, Caverned

nice that you remember the, Dutch word for hello and yes, Eindhoven lays next to the E34 !

My set-up now are a few Aspire Mini Nautilus powered by a, Stingray X (by HCigar) and a Nemisis (by FT both mechanical mods where a, Sigelei VW kick is "build in" not the most ideal set-up, practical-wise but the taste I get with those 2 Mods is very nice.

First I had a, Istick by Eleaf but I go not find my sweet-spot with it also the liquids tasted "hard" and harsh after I watched the review of PBusardo..I knew why, its MEAN and not RMS and its not accurate according to wattage or voltage, 4.2 volt with a 1.8ohm coil is 4.8 volt etc, etc.

I brought it back and the, guy in the store had a need looking box-mod..yep..a Vaporshark rDNA30 it did looked, felt and tasted the part so I went for one of those because I also want the best of the best

I went for a, VS rDNA30 but then, Cyber-Monday came more a, black-Monday to me..whats new so I decided to go for the rDNA40 mainly because of the 25% off and for the, temperature-control...

But whats the use of a, temperature while I am not going to use it, especially when I read this from you as a experienced re-builder that building a coil with Ni200 is so annoying I can,t even build a coil with Kanthal..

Your absolutely wright about over-wattage read..a overkill on..wattage on both devices and also maybe a overkill on features..but I do not know what my, vaping-future will "bring" I am tending to go into RTA & RBA,s..mainly because I want to use, organic cotton and being not more depend on what, Aspire of Kanger produces..with all kinds of strange filler/wick materials like, silica, Aspire,s "ceramic" paper..

I am also not into, high-power vaping (yet) my Atlantis (FT) is on the way so I have to found out what ever is something for me on the other hand I would probably like it for just sometimes to play around with.

Glad to know and thanks for the link, that my kind of vaping with +/- 11 watts is probably not in the high-risk category of high-power vaping, it did worries me.

What also worries me is that VS told me that my rDNa40 would have been shipped this week..but nothing was going on..now they told me its (probably) going be shipped mid January..my worries here are that our Government are implanting new laws at 01-02-2015 with all kinds of restrictions according to E-sigs so "our" customs will control a lot more on stuff which is E-sig related and I not so keen for paying import-duties and tax..

This is and was a, mayor concern for me..this week, if VS would have shipped this week, I would have taking the probably risk but now its getting to tricky for me..so I asked them to cancel my order

The other box-mods you mentioned, thanks for that I already did have a look at them, Cloupor is out the question as I read to many negative things about then in the, discussions on FT.

Thanks for your reply !

 

[Cavenerd]

E- Sorry to hear about your troubles with VaporShark and shipping. Also, really concerned about any extra duty you might have to pay on vaping supplies. I live in Bahamas and our duty for vaping gear (classified as tobacco here) is 210%. Oy. It's a complete nightmare.

I think you made a good choice on the SX Mini. I forgot about the soft, standard and power settings. I think they make a difference. I also think I've been inspired to move the SX mini up to the top of my must-have list.

Good luck and I hope you enjoy your mod. I can't remember how to say "bye" so I'll just leave you with "Vape On, Brother!"

 

[Eric U]

Hoi C VaporShark is off the line now, as in my order has been canceled, phoned them today and no probs, they canceled my order immediately so I must say that is a very good service as they can,t help it that Evolv caused the problems with there DNA40 chip its not the mod its the chip just for example, the VaporFlask DNA40 has also got problems.

That is outrages about the duty in the Bahamas..210% that's indeed a complete nightmare ! I think also that my choice for a, SX mini is a good choice and maybe even a better one, just had a chat with a very well informed vendor overhere on FB and he told me that the SX Mini is the device on this moment and stands above any DNA40 device.

I will see how, things work out especially to the, features of the SX-Mini according to the, soft, standard and power settings, I will keep you informed as soon as I get it indoors

Hopefully I will get it in the middle of next week, stay in touch & Good luck to you as-well and Vape on Brother !

Bye can be, doei or tot ziens

 

[Jockamo]

Excuse my ignorance but is it all DNA boards that lack reverse polarity protection? Is it another board I'm thinking of? That is what drove me to sigelei. I must admit I don't know what they use in the 100w+ but it does have that protection.