is it dangerous to over charge my ego battery?

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If you don't have a good regulated charger. Thing is you don't want to leave it untended for long periods. I don't leave them in the charger more than needed just out of habit and safety. If you are not using a charger made for that battery or it's not regulated then I suppose it could be. But the chargers that come with the batteries are made for certain batteries and as long as the battery is ok and the charger is ok then you will not have a problem. But I have two things I do when charging just in case something goes wrong. I have a Battery charge bag that is available for under $20. and a tin can that i put my batteries in when I charge them I also turn off the power strip and remove the battery when it is charged. It's just good practice just in case. Accidents are few IMO but you can't be too safe. LOL
 

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If you don't have a good regulated charger. Thing is you don't want to leave it untended for long periods. I don't leave them in the charger more than needed just out of habit and safety. If you are not using a charger made for that battery or it's not regulated then I suppose it could be. But the chargers that come with the batteries are made for certain batteries and as long as the battery is ok and the charger is ok then you will not have a problem. But I have two things I do when charging just in case something goes wrong. I have a Battery charge bag that is available for under $20. and a tin can that i put my batteries in when I charge them I also turn off the power strip and remove the battery when it is charged. It's just good practice just in case. Accidents are few IMO but you can't be too safe. LOL

well im not scare it will blow up while it is charging , im just worry if there a chance it will blow while using it after the over charge
 

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There is a safety overcharge regulation circuit in your battery. This is what causes your battery to self discharge over time. It is best not to test it. Most batteries charge in 2-4 hours, and are good for 300 full discharges and 300 full recharges at which time, regardless of brand, all the batteries tested, uniformly and permanently, lost 30% capacity. It is recommended by manufacturers that you replace a battery at this time, moreso for better performance, and to not put that safety circuit to the test. Plus they make more money that way. Note that partial discharges and partial recharges are actually better for the battery and can number in the thousands before this permanent capacity loss takes place. If you'd like to know exactly more about this I highly recommend you click on the link in my signature and read the Vaper's Handbook. You can do a search in the Handbook section for "Batteries 101" and find everything you need to know there, as well as further reading. Battery thermal runaway is very rare, but it does happen, and if you don't take the proper precautions the damage can be devastating (even so far as loss of life in a fire). These batteries are safe if you understand them. Take them for granted and you could be a victim. They deserve respect.

In the meantime, don't ever charge your batteries unattended, get a li-po charging bag (link to a cheap one is in the blog as well - under batteries 101), and use a timer for no more than 4 hours, but less if the battery is smaller or not fully discharged.
 

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well im not scare it will blow up while it is charging , im just worry if there a chance it will blow while using it after the over charge

But that's the whole point: If your charger and battery are working properly you can't overcharge it. The charger cuts off current to the battery when it detects the battery is fully charged.

If there was a problem, if would be far more likely that the battery would explode while it was still connected to the charger - if the charger failed and kept on going after the battery was fully charged. That's the very definition of over charging - a battery exploding while it's connected to a charger. Not when you find the battery and charger all looking ok and then you go and use it.

The far bigger problem I think most people get into with is using low resistance devices on batteries that aren't designed to work with low resistance.
 
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But that's the whole point: If your charger and battery are working properly you can't overcharge it. The charger cuts off current to the battery when it detects the battery is fully charged.

If there was a problem, if would be far more likely that the battery would explode while it was still connected to the charger - if the charger failed and kept on going after the battery was fully charged. That's the very definition of over charging - a battery exploding while it's connected to a charger. Not when you find the battery and charger all looking ok and then you go and use it.

The far bigger problem I think most people get into with is using low resistance devices on batteries that aren't designed to work with low resistance.

i still not fully understand u , so are you saying when overcharge, if it fail it will blow while charging , and not when u are using after that overcharge??? are u trying to say that ??
 

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i still not fully understand u , so are you saying when overcharge, if it fail it will blow while charging , and not when u are using after that overcharge??? are u trying to say that ??

Basically that's right. The point is, you left the battery on the charger overnight. And once the battery was fully charged - when the LED changed from red to green - the charger stopped. The battery was not over charged. A properly working charger does not overcharge a battery.
 

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We're not sure why a battery will go off while on the charger, possibly a faulty charger, but it HAS happened. We've had members with both fires and bottle rocket behavior from the battery. Please never charge your battery unattended, and purchase a charging sack or make some other type of enclosure for your charging battery out of a non flammable, shatterproof material.
 

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Most of the ego type batts have an over charge protection now a days. I'm horrible about leaving mine on the charger!

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I leave mine overnight sometimes; think it's ok but ya never know.

Thank your Son for his service from me will you?
 

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Basically that's right. The point is, you left the battery on the charger overnight. And once the battery was fully charged - when the LED changed from red to green - the charger stopped. The battery was not over charged. A properly working charger does not overcharge a battery.

It has nothing to do with the charger. That blinking light that goes from red to green? That's your safety circuit preventing an overcharge. When it goes solid green it is working non-stop to prevent an overcharge. The function is in your battery's overcharge protection circuit, not the charger. That charger will charge til the cows come home and will more than happily send your battery to its doom. Sure, there are some chargers that work that way, but none that I am aware of for the average eGo battery.

Leaving your battery on all night is not necessarily dangerous, it just tests that safety circuit and, should it fail, yes you will get a thermal runaway. There is no explosion if the battery is vented (i.e. battery cap with vent holes commonly found on most APVs). In the case of an eGo battery then yes, it would "explode" once the gases built up since there is no vent. No, batteries don't explode when you use them unless there is no protection built into the PV to prevent it, they have physical damage, or they are under an intense amount of heat (above 150 degrees isn't a good time to vape - don't leave your PV in a hot summer car). eGo batteries have such a surge protection. When they are asked to draw more than the battery can handle it will fry the circuitboard and never work again.

PVs CAN vent when you stack batteries as was most likely the case of the man who sploded off half his face in Florida. Stacking is not recommended unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing and have the right batteries for the job.

Honestly, I fully explained the whole situation, but it appears no one bothered to read it. If you don't know, it's okay to say you don't really know. That's so much better than spreading false information around.
 

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We're not sure why a battery will go off while on the charger, possibly a faulty charger, but it HAS happened. We've had members with both fires and bottle rocket behavior from the battery. Please never charge your battery unattended, and purchase a charging sack or make some other type of enclosure for your charging battery out of a non flammable, shatterproof material.

It happens for a few reasons. Mainly when the overcharge protection circuit fitted on eGo type batteries fails, or using the wrong output DC charger (btw: the proper charger for an eGo and clones is Output DC 4.2v 420mAh). The other reasons are more rare, those being: excessive heat, and physical damage to the battery. I suppose if you got a power surge (i.e. from a lightning strike) that could do it too. A lot of the cases of batteries going off on ECF are due to using the wrong charger or the protection circuit fails. It is very rare that the protection circuit fails though. I don't have the exact number, but it's around 1 in a million if you take proper care of your battery and replace it after 300 charges (10 months, or every other day = 1 year 8 months, and this is ALL lithium ion batteries regardless of size/brand). Just remember, inside each iphone, ipad, laptop, and mp3 player is a lithium ion battery. If they exploded all the time we'd be hearing about how dangerous lithium ion batteries are. Sure you see the occasional laptop melt, but that's rare, there are millions of laptops, and it's more of a thing of the past from faulty batteries that were never sent back for the recalls. Respect is needed, not fear.

One incident that happened that I recall off the top of my head one guy was using an output DC of 5v on an eGo battery at work and it vented. No one was harmed and he learned an expensive lesson. He was lucky it didn't damage his employer's computer. This brings me to my last point. Don't use your PC for charging via USB. The frontpanel USBs can be highly variable in output (and I am a certified IT Professional telling you this), which isn't conducive, and if something goes wrong the damage could far outprice the cost of a USB wall adapter. For this matter, never vape a passthrough with a computer USB either. Plug it in the wall with an extension cord if needs be.
 

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This brings me to my last point. Don't use your PC for charging via USB. The frontpanel USBs can be highly variable in output (and I am a certified IT Professional telling you this), which isn't conducive, and if something goes wrong the damage could far outprice the cost of a USB wall adapter. For this matter, never vape a passthrough with a computer USB either. Plug it in the wall with an extension cord if needs be.

Question; my laptop has a dedicated charging USB. Still a problem?
 

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Question; my laptop has a dedicated charging USB. Still a problem?

Laptops are better for charging than frontpanel USBs of desktops since they are part of the mobo (as opposed to what amounts to a daughterboard). That said, Laptops also cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars (USD) to repair compared to a desktop. Are you willing to take that chance over a USB wall adapter what costs >$10?
 
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