Is it just me or...

[PoPoPoP]

vaping is great and much beneficial, although I've invested a bit too much into it (trying to find the right setup for me, etc). I've tried my best to stick with vaping for good. The only problem is that I'm having a trouble with the transition... and sometimes I get that "craving".

When I wake up from a long sleep (8 hrs or so) and I light my first day's handrolled cig (almost 12mg of nic), I always get that 'high' feeling (relaxing and sometimes euphoric). But if I vape instead from that same sleep, I don't get the same feeling. So it can't be nic, can it? Unless it's just me or there's something else in the cig that's causing the effect? How do you guys feel after 1st vape from a long sleep? I currently vape 18mg of nic e-liquid (sometimes 6 mg from different e-liquid).

I don't know if drugs are allowed to dicuss here, but I used to be a sugar addict (well, you know what I mean). Actually, I don't think I'm addicted to it (dependence) but I've used it a lot in the past and currently, I'm withdrawing from long term use of a strong benzo called clonazepam (doc gave me it for anxiety / panic disorders), and since that doctor retired. A different doctor told me to quit it. So, I'm in a very rough place.... lol. I have 1 year or so to recover fully because I'm withdrawing really slow (0.25mg gradual reduction per 2 weeks). I took 4mg of it everyday for 5 months.... blah, I should have had ignored my previous doctor's advice (he kept saying "keep taking it...") back then.

 

[Katmar]

I enjoy my first vape of the morning. Not as much as an analog, though. But, you adjust. And it definitely gets easier. Now, I don't even think about it anymore. I just grab my vape and keep on going.

 

[Towmotor]

Yeah, I agree the "wake up" smoke was the hardest one for me to get past. I am almost 8 months no cigarettes and still, once in a while, my sleep addled brain is looking for the cancer sticks. The vape does get me thru it but it is the roughest part of my day sometimes.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

To me the biggest cravings were with coffee, after meals and in the morning. I specifically tried out different tobacco juices for a month to designate what I'd use for those three situations.

Fortunately I found them--had some really aged Bobas from when I was on ecigs a couple years ago, which I use after meals. H1N1 also suffices and is what I use with coffee, and really at any time, it's great. When I wake up before I go to work I've been hitting the Honey Pearry which also gives me the right throat hit.

Point is, maybe search specifically for what flavor/nic level you think would work best for your most intense crave situations. Once you land on something and get used to it the cravings fade.

 

[minitater]

Obviously, nicotine cravings vary from individual to individual. Maybe I got lucky, but 4 years ago I began with 24mg nic and NEVER carved another cigarette! (4 years now). I won't say it is the only factor, but I seen many folks use a low nic mixture only to have cravings and for some it caused them to go back to smoking.

 

[Bejeebus]

Vaping was enough to get me through the morning. I also hand rolled some fine tobacco and to this day miss it dearly - BUT I don't miss the chest congestion that it gave me and the constant coughing. Just keep reminding yourself why you are quitting cigs. Like anything else - sugar, drugs, etc - the transition is a bit of a challenge, but nothing like it was trying to stop without having a vape handy.

There is some information somewhere in the e-juice section (I think) about something called whole tobacco alkaloids (WTA) - which some claim to add a bit of that lost 'feeling' - look around the forums for that or Google it. It may be something you could try in your e-juice.

 

[chipd]

I am no authority on this, but I honestly think that nicotine is only part of the addiction when it comes to cigarettes. I the motion of of smoking itself and the tar are a bigger part of the addiction then what we are told. I think the tar and carbon monoxide play are big part in depriving the blood stream of O2 producing the slight dizzy feeling you get before the brain adjust for the depletion. I think that some of this is why the success rate of gums and patches is so poor. Vaping does replicate the motion and nicotine, but it does not have the harmful effects of the tar that in my opinion have an effect on the brain and is a part of the addiction. Once again this is just my humble opinion.

 

[AK Maniak]

There are so many other chemicals in analogues that can cause or at the very least contribute the morning buzz. Vaping will never truly replicate everything that one gets from smoking but at this point in time it appears to be the best alternative for most

 

[PoPoPoP]

Good to know that it's not just me Also, WTA? That's interesting... How would you DIY it with flavored e-liquid?

 

[iamthevoice]

That euphoric feeling IS lowered blood oxygen levels! I'm not sure how you'd go about replicating that. The only thing I can think of, and I'm laughing as I write this, would be to hold your breath as long as you can on waking... You should at least partially replicate the effect, albeit with carbon dioxide rather than monoxide.

Being a father to a five year old, I do have to point out that I am jealous of these eight hour sleep sessions you speak of...

 

[GinnyTx]

you're tapering off the Klonopin so that's going to make you feel like crap (but good no cold turkey with the benzo's it's dangerous)

we started on 24mg when we stopped smoking, so I keep one loaded with that for five or six big hits when I wake up if I'm having that morning with coffee craving (and it's getting less and less now, at 8 weeks vaping)

if you're still having that one analog when you wake up, I did that for part of the first week, it's absorbed into your bloodstream more rapidly than the vapes, so that "hit/buzz" is very psychologically rewarding to you and that's more than half of this battle of quitting smoking is once you meet the nicotine needs changing the behavior. What I do is not act on the fleeting thought but just grab the vape, it passes, don't obsess over it, read an article or do something else and vape on. Pretty soon it'll not even be a thought/craving that's how changing behavior works.

Good luck!!

 

[Spazmelda]

It could be the other things in cigarettes that give the hit, or it could be that the nicotine is delivered so much faster with cigarettes than ecigs (efficiency of delivery vs. additional chemicals being delivered). Or, it could be both I guess.

 

[chipd]

you're tapering off the Klonopin so that's going to make you feel like crap (but good no cold turkey with the benzo's it's dangerous)

we started on 24mg when we stopped smoking, so I keep one loaded with that for five or six big hits when I wake up if I'm having that morning with coffee craving (and it's getting less and less now, at 8 weeks vaping)

if you're still having that one analog when you wake up, I did that for part of the first week, it's absorbed into your bloodstream more rapidly than the vapes, so that "hit/buzz" is very psychologically rewarding to you and that's more than half of this battle of quitting smoking is once you meet the nicotine needs changing the behavior. What I do is not act on the fleeting thought but just grab the vape, it passes, don't obsess over it, read an article or do something else and vape on. Pretty soon it'll not even be a thought/craving that's how changing behavior works.

Good luck!!

That's pretty much what I do, and blueberry cheesecake vape taste great with coffee. To be honest load up a few tanks of different flavors and try them with your coffee, I bet you stop thinking about that morning cigarette.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

That euphoric feeling IS lowered blood oxygen levels! I'm not sure how you'd go about replicating that. The only thing I can think of, and I'm laughing as I write this, would be to hold your breath as long as you can on waking... You should at least partially replicate the effect, albeit with carbon dioxide rather than monoxide.

Being a father to a five year old, I do have to point out that I am jealous of these eight hour sleep sessions you speak of...

LOL, I hear you iamthevoice, solution seems obvious to me...just stop with the sleeping...it's highly over rated anyway.

Pick up a higher nic content juice and make that your morning vape. You'll be fine. If it still isn't doing the trick toss it in a dripper and make clouds, that should work.

Maurice

 

[Grimwald]

Smoke is absorbed more quickly than vapor. In the beginning I had my biggest cravings in the morning and after meals. I found that, while a cigarette would satisfy me quickly, I would need to vape (24mg) for about 45 minutes until the cravings went away...but I stuck with it. After a few weeks the cravings lessened.

 

[PoPoPoP]

Thanks guys. I understand now. I just have to remind myself that all of us were addicted to tobacco mainly because of nicotine; if tobacco never had nicotine when tobacco was invented, all of us would have been less addicted to it. So, I'll just remind myself "you are addicted to nicotine, nothing else!"

That euphoric feeling IS lowered blood oxygen levels! I'm not sure how you'd go about replicating that. The only thing I can think of, and I'm laughing as I write this, would be to hold your breath as long as you can on waking... You should at least partially replicate the effect, albeit with carbon dioxide rather than monoxide.

Being a father to a five year old, I do have to point out that I am jealous of these eight hour sleep sessions you speak of...

For some odd reason, when I sleep, I usually sleep under my bed sheet... hence the low oxygen thing. And don't be jealous! Eventually when your kid grows older, you'll be able to sleep longer

you're tapering off the Klonopin so that's going to make you feel like crap (but good no cold turkey with the benzo's it's dangerous)

I went cold turkey for almost 4 days just to see what the withdrawl effects were like. Holy sea, I had expierenced massive anxiety and halluications. While on benzo, I've had lost weight (1.5 stone) without knowing. Nasty stuff. I'm tapering offf of it very very slowly (0.25mg reduction per 2 weeks, and I'm expierencing no bad withdrawl effects so far (sometimes mild anxiety but that's probably triggered by other things in my real life) and it's quite hard to sleep nowadays.