Is there any difference between the VK and the KR808D-1

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HaploVoss

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They are the same. I believe that VK has some various carts that may be different than the usual... but overall the cartridges and batteries are the same. They *are* a KR808D unless they have changed drastically very recently.

The cartomizers do burn eventually, but I have had no problems refilling mine up to 10 times or more if you do not vape them completely dry.

I find them to be my favorite vape at this point in all honesty. For simplicity, fantastic throat hit, great flavor, and great price... you really can't beat the KR type no matter what vendor you go through.

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They are the same. I believe that VK has some various carts that may be different than the usual... but overall the cartridges and batteries are the same. They *are* a KR808D unless they have changed drastically very recently.

The cartomizers do burn eventually, but I have had no problems refilling mine up to 10 times or more if you do not vape them completely dry.

I find them to be my favorite vape at this point in all honesty. For simplicity, fantastic throat hit, great flavor, and great price... you really can't beat the KR type no matter what vendor you go through.

My .02

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- Hap

Actually they are Not the same, and yes, if you like you can compare, side to side:D

I work with the factory directly, and make modifications on each shipment. From batteries, to cartomizers, to passthru's, to liquid, to everything. I spend over 30 hours a week talking to the factory, just like I am right now:shock:

Thank you

Steve:cool:
 

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Actually they are Not the same, and yes, if you like you can compare, side to side:D

I work with the factory directly, and make modifications on each shipment. From batteries, to cartomizers, to passthru's, to liquid, to everything. I spend over 30 hours a week talking to the factory, just like I am right now:shock:

Thank you

Steve:cool:

Ok then I stand corrected. I have a V4L here, and a KR808D from another vendor and they are identical... the VK is a used unit I purchased from a user here so I must assume that this unit must be much older then. I certainly did not mean to misrepresent your product.

EDIT: (It is in the original blue V4L case. 2 batteries and 2 cartomizers. Mint condition and I really like it. Also came with 2 spare batteries.)

Regardless of the variances, I think you would be happy with your purchase and I also think from what everyone says on these boards you would be hard pressed to find anything at all out of place with V4L customer service for certain.

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Well, I will answer your question in relation to standard KR808D cartridges. Steve will have to answer you on the V4L carts as it is obvious I am behind the times in that dept.

The cartomizers That I currently have and use, that are the 'center atty style' do eventually burn out after 5 to 10 refills. The variables are basically how heavy you vape on the cart - if you keep it really hot, it is going to burn sooner - if you keep it at a reasonable temperature or cool, then it will last a long time before it ever burns through into the filler material.

Also, keeping it wet will prolong the life of the cartomizer as well. I've had one last 16 refills with no problems what so ever.

When you add it all up - it is just as cheap or cheaper as regular cartridge / atomizer systems of some regular e-cigs if you tally up replacing atomizers and cartridges and time spent refilling or dripping, etc.

I'm definitely converted to the 2-piece system battery plus cartomizer and use my other ciggies for backups and testing flavors sometimes.

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The most important thing for me is to find out if this burning cart problem i've read about has been solved in either V4L or KR808D ?

"Burning cart problem" is open ended. Anyone can burn a cart no matter who made/sold it, cart or cartomizer makes no difference. I, for one, have so far never burned either though some of the e-cigs I bought may have been tossed before giving them a chance to burn.

I don't know that anyone has come up with a solution to burning carts.
 

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"Burning cart problem" is open ended. Anyone can burn a cart no matter who made/sold it, cart or cartomizer makes no difference. I, for one, have so far never burned either though some of the e-cigs I bought may have been tossed before giving them a chance to burn.

I don't know that anyone has come up with a solution to burning carts.

The solution is to not keep hitting on it when it begins to have a bit of a burned taste to it. I have never burned a cart yet because when I get just a wee taste of burnt, I remove the cart, plug it back up with the plugs of the new cart I will put on and toss it into my drawer. Then when I get a bunch that need refilling, I do them all together - takes almost no time at all.

Or you can refill right then and there as KC does and put it right back on and keep puffing away. Only takes a few minutes.;)
 

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Dry cart = burnt cart. That's all there is to it. Can't guarantee that you will get a completely full cart from any other supplier but V4L. V4L weighs all of their carts to ensure that they are all completely full. I don't believe that any other supplier does this but I could be wrong. Another bonus is that if you do happen to come across a bum cart, Steve will replace it no questions asked. I believe that therein lies the primary difference between the carts that you get from V4L and the other KR808D suppliers. I have not had a cart from V4L pre-maturely burn up on me yet.
 

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The most important thing for me is to find out if this burning cart problem i've read about has been solved in either V4L or KR808D ?

I'm not sure what the paranoia and hysteria about 'burning carts' is or who started it or where it was started..but you sure read and watch some interesting things on other forums or subforums here about this.

I've dissected numerous old carts ive killed, cause i like to tinker. Internally they can and do have the atty burn through the wick material which sits between the batting and the atomizer coil.

I've seen people say "who knows what you're inhaling when a Cartomizer burns" and similar quotes and it always puzzles me when I read such statements.

If you're vaping a 6v device..you better be dripping if you fear burning strange materials...and let's be serious for a moment...are you positive about whats in a 901/510/801/m401 atty? some of it is metal..what kind of metal? how do they respond to over heating..what percentage of metal is burned off with every drag? how much are you inhaling? I'f you use a cart, youre burning some cart material if youre not pretty careful.odds are you will even if you are.

What happens to the juice when it's incinerated? Not heated to the temperature at which it vaporizes, but far above and beyond that temperature...right to smoke? what does it make? what new chemicals are created in that inferno? There is a specific temperature at which PG vaporizes, heating beyond that temperature continues to vaporize up to a point..but very far beyond it and the liquid is incinerated.

The reality is that people will *say* anything. Here in the U.S. we have a wonderful right known as "freedom of speech". We can literally say anything. That doesn't mean that everyone who says something is right.

One thing is for certain. You're not inhaling over 4000 chemicals and combustion by products no matter what device you use or how you use it. I've suffered no ill effects from any of the devices I've used, and prefer cartomizers because of their ease of use.

I just took apart a cartomizer which was retired for "burnt taste' and inside, there is a tiny synthetic woven material..much like is used for high temperature wire insulation in electric motors, then the atomizer coil, then another piece of that nylon/synthetic insulation, and then some apparently woven cloth material similar to teabag material..like a soft cloth..fairly absorbant, probably a polyester weave, but it could be cotton, it looks a lot like bandaging material of some kind. None of it is burned through, however some of it is blackened, probably cause of atomizer overheating the tiny bit of remaining juice in a cart that was vaped a little beyond the stopping point..the blackened areas came out for the most part under tap water although some staining remained. this is almost certainly baked juice which was incinerated.

If i'm right, and that is baked juice, then a 6v device fills your lungs with whatever that is once its incinerated instead of vaped, with every drag.

Important to note the batting material isnt even darkened, and could and likely will be reused by me in another device after washing. The entire cartomizer most likely could have been re-used after washing, but i draw the line at washing a disposable cartomizer.

I understand as much as i can about what I'm inhaling, and i understand that there are things i may not fully understand about what I'm inhaling. I do it willingly, I try to keep informed, and when I don't understand, i read (sometimes misinformation) and weigh what i read against what I know or can prove to be true. Vaping is a choice, and I make it every day, as an educated decision. I think everyone should make that decision on their own, with as much factual information as is available.

Unfortunately; just because it's printed does not make it fact. Many times it's "opinion" and sometimes, misguided opinion. Your mileage may vary.
 
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Have no fear the internets is all truths!

Yeah i know, right? I don't expect anyone to take *anything* *I* say as absolute fact. Everything *I* say is baised on experience, and everyone's experience is different. I can only offer, at best, my opinion..until someone hands me a doctorate of all knowledge, everything I say is "opinion" :(...in fact, if i had a doctorate...I'd expect, and rightly so, people to take less of what I say seriously if anything. They teach some funny things in schools these days.
 

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The solution is to not keep hitting on it when it begins to have a bit of a burned taste to it. I have never burned a cart yet because when I get just a wee taste of burnt, I remove the cart, plug it back up with the plugs of the new cart I will put on and toss it into my drawer. Then when I get a bunch that need refilling, I do them all together - takes almost no time at all.

Or you can refill right then and there as KC does and put it right back on and keep puffing away. Only takes a few minutes.;)

You are, of course, 100% correct and I should have mentioned that keeping a cart from burning really means paying attention the the temp and taste.
 

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LOL this reminds me of back when there were people runnign arround saying marlboro's used fiberglass in their filters and you coudl inhail the tiny particles.
Anyhows think of it like a analog cigarette, yeah you can burn the filter and smoke it too but you don't, you know its the filter burning and you stop. Every analog cigarette has the ability to do this *shrugs* whats the differnece?
 

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Back to the original question for a sec ... is there a difference between V4L's VK and the other KR808D-1s?

I sure hope so. I won't slam a different vendor, but I ordered one before I found this subforum and got it today. I ordered the PCC kit and various carts. I charged everything up and just tried some.

I ordered the flavors that I really liked using in my 901, so it's not exactly about flavor, but it kind of is. I was diligent about breaking in the cartomizer (at least 10 drags on each one with primer puffs first to warm up the atomizer), but they still taste like cr*p :( and hardly any vapor. Zero throat hit. The mint actually tastes pretty good, but it's hard for me to judge since I never smoked menthols. But I did get a nice refreshing minty taste in my mouth (but still no vapor or throat hit to speak of).

The PCC itself seems to work fine, so I'll probably give this one to my mom after I get some decent carts from my order with Steve. My mom likes menthol, so I'll give her the mint carts and let her be the judge. The battery is an automatic, and it has a really, really short cutoff -- about 3 seconds. So I'll have to order more batteries from Steve as well.

After spending hours on this subforum last night I ordered a PCC kit from Steve based on all the great reviews here. So I am counting on that as my guarantee that his carts will taste and perform waaaayyyy better than what I got today. :D
 

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I agree with JenJen also. The 2nd I taste burnt I refill and get alot of life out of them. Certainly worth the $2 a piece I pay for them. I vap on less then $1 a day. That's down from almost 3 packs of analogs a day. I haven't touched an analog since I got this thing. Since I got this thing originally as a KR 808 and get stuff from V4L I guess it's a hybrid now.
 

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Back to the original question for a sec ... is there a difference between V4L's VK and the other KR808D-1s?
Steve works very closely with the manufacturer / his suppliers
I only have the new VK from here so I can't compaire it but I have heard him talking about improved wires and connections, and how these are made differently in other threads. He has some pretty high standards and if they don't live up to his then we never see them!
Also he has the absolute best warenty I have seen for anythign near this model. I belive barebones as in size and cart sizes and interchangeable parts working that for those purposes it is a kr808d but inside it probably been tweeked :)
 
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