It is
a part of the problem.
There's others. From my perspective :
People who hold the presumption of liberty as a perspective are represented within the various FDA threads but the majority of the FDA opposition at ECF (as far as I can tell) holds the view, implicitly or explicitly, that govt, via the FDA, holds the ultimate 'solution'. "We must face the reality that
reasonable regulation is inevitable." And for many at ECF, I think, desirable.
An example of this is fluid packaging and labeling. It's been a recurrent issue here and usually it's had an accusatory finger pointed towards vendors. "It's the vendors own fault if the FDA slams the hammer down upon them. They should have organized and set standards long ago." That view omits the many good things vendors have accomplished in supplying us vapers with product
and ignores the prospect (from a vendors perspective) of losing to govt seizure the investment of time and money towards fulfilling that market segment. In this sense, and others, prospective govt regulation via the FDA has been ......ing and distorting vaping's marketplace.
I don't have any idea how to directly fight those who we are now facing. They are unelected, insulated, and some are evidently willing and able to lie as their needs require. True evil. The ends justify the means. (I'm sure there are some decent people there and to them I say -- stand up now and say 'enough'. Be someone who doesn't just go along. Be that someone(s) that goes down in history as standing for individual Human rights. I would gladly work towards you retaining your govt employment in some capacity if you'd expose the fallacy, that is, that any central agency can morally effect individual human exchange. The law of unintended consequences is undeniable. A dying cancer patient cannot use experimentals. Really? Someone finds pleasure from vaping or possibly even saves their life because they replaced their cigarette habit with vaping and you want to in effect destroy that industry and destroy the potentialities of same. Really? Stand up and ask -- "By what right do we cruelly burden our fellow citizens?".)
Although Congress has in a cowardly fashion given up (I think unconstitutionally) much of its power via agencies and the like, and sadly, it must be noted at the behest and/or acquiescence of voters, ultimately that's where the fight for vaping liberty lies. They can create law that supersedes regulatory law. It
is politics. And it
is within every citizen's ability to decide what type of country they want. For vaping as we know it, it just might be too late. Hope I'm wrong. But for the country long term, it's imperative that the capital d discussion centers on individual liberty. Although liberty isn't always pretty is this ?
A-Z Index of U.S. Government Departments and Agencies (A) | USA.gov Is it possible for any citizen to not unintentionally violate some statute somewhere created by someone(s) who wanted their idea of 'good' to come from your hide, your paycheck, your life?
To those who have tried, despite the replies which have attempted to minimize your comments via logical fallacies such as -- "Surely you don't believe that extremist position!"-- , to move people towards the presumption of liberty, thank you. I admire your efforts. I can't come here often anymore due to life's circumstance but when I do it's uplifting to read your 'extremist' attempts to convince people to live their lives as a person should -- as a proud, free human. An American.
To those who can't be bothered with politics or actively pooh, pooh, liberty pushers -- How's the reasonableness from the FDA look so far? Doesn't really matter how reasonable it is though ,does it. They decide what reasonable is and they'll dang well use every means available to them, including police power, to make you 'see the light' of their reasonableness. A little compromise here, a little head in the sand there -- nice recipe for sheep stew, eh?
To DC2 -- if my post has offended the intention of your thread, I sincerely apologize and understandably expect its removal .
To SJ -- Again, I appreciate the forum you've created. An American spouting off about Liberty in a Brit's house, who would've thunk it.
Thank you.
