Is this good news for the uk?
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Dr. Farsalinos has been saying that and a lot more for ages. They found it now... It seems they will be recommending ecigs as a quit smoking aid to smokers in the UK too.
In the meantime, the TPD2 takes over Europe with hints of sheer fascism, namely banning forums and online sales in Spain among so much more (at least, there's a law being voted that will allow that). Soon, if no miracle happens, there won't be anything left, save for very expensive, Big T owned, horrid, "tobacco" flavoured, 18 mg, ecigs. Sold in pharmacies too!
All this is made possible by the TPD.
In the meantime, the TPD2 takes over Europe with hints of sheer fascism, namely banning forums and online sales in Spain among so much more (at least, there's a law being voted that will allow that). Soon, if no miracle happens, there won't be anything left, save for very expensive, Big T owned, horrid, "tobacco" flavoured, 18 mg, ecigs. Sold in pharmacies too!
All this is made possible by the TPD.
it can be good news,,, but what happens if they make Ecigs, nic juice prescription only... and its prescribed for 1 month at a time...and the Dr. chooses your nic strength...
thats gonna be 12 visits a year to the Dr. to get the prescription filled and no telling how expensive the juice would be since it would be "drug" grade juice...
Over here in USA a cheap visit is 60+$ to see the Dr. and then add on the juice at 100$ a month ( and Im being conservative on that price) and maybe even you would have to bring in your mod and atty to be approved by the Dr. to get the juice refill... if your mod/atty doesnt fall with in the specs, then either you have to purchase the "approved" unit ( at 500$
) or dont get your refill... hmmmm things that could occur...
it could be a good thing or it could go terribly wrong....
thats gonna be 12 visits a year to the Dr. to get the prescription filled and no telling how expensive the juice would be since it would be "drug" grade juice...
Over here in USA a cheap visit is 60+$ to see the Dr. and then add on the juice at 100$ a month ( and Im being conservative on that price) and maybe even you would have to bring in your mod and atty to be approved by the Dr. to get the juice refill... if your mod/atty doesnt fall with in the specs, then either you have to purchase the "approved" unit ( at 500$
) or dont get your refill... hmmmm things that could occur...it could be a good thing or it could go terribly wrong....
It might look like good news but then my cynical side suggests it might actually be a change of allegiance from Big Tobacco to Big Pharma? I won't be surprised to see Nicorette Cigalikes on the market.
You may or may not know that Todd in the UK has stopped making video reviews - most likely because the TPD prohibits anyone even talking about ecigs publicly.
I think it's an excellent news. The first ever government-officiated paper confirming usefulness of e-cigs and defying their "harm".
The report is a good thing but from what I've seen, the British press have spun it in a negative way to say that e-cigs will be handed out free on the NHS - you can imagine how well that's gone down with the public at large!
The Guardian article was actually very good, I doubt the Mail etc will have been as balanced!
No, Todd decided to take a break from reviewing for personal reasons (think he was knackered more than anything else. Lol) but he will be back. Probably in the next couple of months.
starting about 6 months ago the 95% safer figure started
coming up with more and more frequency. it now seems
to almost be the official estimate of harm reduction compared
to smoking.
i have read literature in the past indicating that when studies
pertaining to the safety of vaping v smoking were averaged out
the estimated safety was about 98.7% safer.
Bill Godshall still says 99.9% safer than smoking.
there are study's that claim 100% safer.
it makes me wonder how this consensus has come about.
i personally go with the 98.7% figure as its averaged and seems to be
reasonable. the 95% figure puts e-cigarettes out of the margin of
error into the realm of still having enough relative harm as to
need strict regulation and medical supervision.
at 98.7% its a least debatable as to the extent and scope
any regulations should be imposed leaning toward the least
restrictive possible. at 99.9% i do not believe any new restrictions
or regulations are even necessary as the regulations concerning
any regular consumer product are sufficient.
at 95% it allows a size 14+ shoe in the door and would allow
all sorts of things to sneak in over time.
regards
mike
coming up with more and more frequency. it now seems
to almost be the official estimate of harm reduction compared
to smoking.
i have read literature in the past indicating that when studies
pertaining to the safety of vaping v smoking were averaged out
the estimated safety was about 98.7% safer.
Bill Godshall still says 99.9% safer than smoking.
there are study's that claim 100% safer.
it makes me wonder how this consensus has come about.
i personally go with the 98.7% figure as its averaged and seems to be
reasonable. the 95% figure puts e-cigarettes out of the margin of
error into the realm of still having enough relative harm as to
need strict regulation and medical supervision.
at 98.7% its a least debatable as to the extent and scope
any regulations should be imposed leaning toward the least
restrictive possible. at 99.9% i do not believe any new restrictions
or regulations are even necessary as the regulations concerning
any regular consumer product are sufficient.
at 95% it allows a size 14+ shoe in the door and would allow
all sorts of things to sneak in over time.
regards
mike
Thanks, I didn't know that. However after June 2016 no one will be able to talk about ecigs publicly within the EU (unless something changes, which is sort of hinted at in the article). A shop owner can't even talk of the relative merits of one ecig over another. They can sell them, but you have to ask for them, they can't be "offered". And obviously, no advertising. That is already happening in some EU countries - the one I am sure about is Lithuania.
Sorry, but I believe it is a Back Handed attempt to take control of the E-cig industry for Government Profit.
What will come of their claims is Closed system E-cigs only under Prescription.
This is a means to make cash not to Validate Safe For Vapers.
What ever happened to Sales Tax on Purchases? Why does everything need an Excise or Sin Tax?
911 services have had allocations for years, now 911 taxes to cell users
Bay taxes in Maryland paid by people living on the opposite side of the state.
Luxury Taxes on imported Auto's to Shield Crappy in country manufacturers.
The list never ends and is constantly added to................ At the expense of the people.
Hey! That guy still has a Buck/Quid in his pocket - Get Him!!!!
What will come of their claims is Closed system E-cigs only under Prescription.
This is a means to make cash not to Validate Safe For Vapers.
What ever happened to Sales Tax on Purchases? Why does everything need an Excise or Sin Tax?
911 services have had allocations for years, now 911 taxes to cell users
Bay taxes in Maryland paid by people living on the opposite side of the state.
Luxury Taxes on imported Auto's to Shield Crappy in country manufacturers.
The list never ends and is constantly added to................ At the expense of the people.
Hey! That guy still has a Buck/Quid in his pocket - Get Him!!!!
Sorry, but I believe it is a Back Handed attempt to take control of the E-cig industry for Government Profit.
What will come of their claims is Closed system E-cigs only under Prescription.
This is a means to make cash not to Validate Safe For Vapers.
What ever happened to Sales Tax on Purchases? Why does everything need an Excise or Sin Tax?
911 services have had allocations for years, now 911 taxes to cell users
Bay taxes in Maryland paid by people living on the opposite side of the state.
Luxury Taxes on imported Auto's to Shield Crappy in country manufacturers.
The list never ends and is constantly added to................ At the expense of the people.
Hey! That guy still has a Buck/Quid in his pocket - Get Him!!!!
Well I do agree about the heavy regulation and the need of testing etc which will put of lot of small businesses out of the picture but in most EU countries there is no sales tax on pharmaceuticals and certainly no excise or sin tax. Naturally with ecigs being classified as "medicinal" they do stand a big chance of being priced way beyond what the average vaper can afford much like other meds... possibly making them more expensive than traditional cigarettes , but it's always good to get the facts straight.
Things are slowly changing perspective wise in the UK and there are some fantastic individuals and groups keeping that going, medical professionals will be a big deciding factor in legislation in the UK and more and more are supporting vaping as a harm reduction if nothing else. The other plus point for people in the UK is the waning popularity of the European union and it's paid for legislation and resistance is also starting to appear in formally die hard EU countries such as France and Germany. Vaping badly needs a sizable victory against the anti vapers and I'm hoping the UK government make the sensible choice.
Exactly which may eliminate All open tank, personal choice use. Exactly what all Vapers should be fighting.
If it is as Safe as they Now (Mind Change?) Claim - Why any forced regulation to the Public.
They could simply put Industry standards for safety in place to insure Quality Products are being offered for sale.
Government Control completely negates personal choice.
Can you confirm it with links? Advertising - its understandable. Anything else - infringement of free speach.
P.S. Lithuania is a post-dictatorship, not accustomed to freedom.
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