I agree that some MTL equipment can produce larger clouds than one would think, but they still don't really compare to DL equipment designed with cloud production as a goal that has a proper build in it. By design MTL style equipment simply does not have enough airflow to support the huge thick plumes one can get from wide open DL equipment. Again, not saying MTL can't produce a decent amount of vapor, just saying it can not produce as much as the DL gear designed specifically for vapor production.