Yah but........when he wakes up in the Morning it means his day will not get better! LOL
is Vaping a lot better than smoking a little?
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Yah but........when he wakes up in the Morning it means his day will not get better! LOL
It's better right off the bat, not waking up with a hatchet buried in your skull. What bugs me is when I wakeup with a headache NOW, when I haven't had a drink in 22 yrs!
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Vaping is also better than eating a bunch of high-fat high-empty-calorie snacks! It's not at all surprising to me that some folks who've never smoked at all are now vaping, in order to cut down on snacking -- works for me!
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Sounds like some judgments are being made here. Vaping a little or a lot is definetly better then smoking a little or a lot. It's all about being responsible and making good choices. All I can say is I go to work everyday, I don't beat my wife, and I don't kick the dog. I don't have a problem! Oh yeah, and I like to drink sometimes.
I would say yes given my observations of millions of humans on this planet. It might not be doctor recommended, but it is okay and you will survive to live, work and enjoy another day.
The question was: is smoking (a little) better than vaping (a lot). With the idea of "vaping a lot" meaning one is sucked into the hobby aspect, and daily chain vaping.
If comparing it straight up, is vaping better than smoking, I'd be real surprised to find anyone here that sides with smoking (including me). And on this thread so far, I'm the only one that sided with smoking given the way the question was asked.
But the main thing, Jman, is that you're one of those rare birds who is actually capable of smoking a *little* -- most of us, once we smoke a little, we inevitably end up smoking more... until it's a lot. It's simply that massively addictive for *most* people. My husband is somewhat like you, he only does what he decides, and how much he decides -- but folks like you two are very much in the minority. Most of us are easily ruled by our compulsions, and with all the crap they put in tobacco to make it so wildly addictive, cigarettes become one of the worst compulsions. Hence why it's so difficult to break this particular addiction, even for those of us with years of experience with breaking other addictions.
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I would imagine if your friend only smokes when he's drinking then he doesn't have a heavy addiction to nicotine, if he's even addicted at all. A 0mg vape would certainly be preferable to cigarettes if he absolutely feels he needs to smoke when he drinks. Sounds like his smoking is more of a situational habit than an addiction.
With vaping in the picture, I am capable of being a moderate smoker. I still have trouble understanding how fellow vapers couldn't smoke in moderation. I get that many vapers now hate smoking and is main reason why they don't care to be moderate smoker. This is also one of those things where if I was able to discuss this in person and relate more to what smoking was really like for that person, I think the dialogue might be different.
But to be clear, prior to my vaping (2.5 years ago), I was a heavy user that didn't have personal experience of being able to smoke a little, or in moderation. I had quit cold turkey 3 times. Each time I came back, it was maybe 2 to 4 cigarettes one day (the first day) and then no more than 3 weeks later I was back to PAD+ smoking.
I know of people who only smoke when they (binge) drink. IMO, they are not addicted to smoking. The people I know can go say 6 weeks without a binge drink experience, and during that time hang around people who are smoking and not have even one. But get about 3 or more drinks in that person and suddenly they are a half a pack a day smoker (for that day/night).
And as I am one who hasn't sworn off smoking nor have hateful things to say about smoking, I do very much believe that a smoke tastes/feels better when one is buzzed than what vaping provides. And is still a social norm that seemingly ANTZ can't make headway on. As I enjoy dual using, then I'm glad to have personal option to do either or, and for me there are times when vaping is preferable if I am buzzed. But not all the time. In general daily living, I strongly prefer vaping.
After my illness, when I smoked, the first two or three tasted pretty awful, even though they really put an end to those awful cravings. But by the 3rd or 4th cigarettes, they just tasted like "home," felt normal in my hand, and didn't even smell bad to me -- till I came back in the house, and would have to wash my hands immediately. But even that didn't last beyond half a pack. Before I knew it, maybe 2-3 days, that first pack was gone, and I bought another -- and smoked the entire pack in a single day. that was when I started keeping my tallies again, so it wouldn't take me so unawares; after that I was able to keep it under 15 a day, till I finally whittled them down again, and then gone. But it took a while for me to reacquire my taste for vapor; after the illness, *everything* tasted bad, and smoking became the only thing that tasted right at all. I had to consciously keep trying to vape more and smoke less, for my taste to shift back to vapor, away from smoke.
After that experience, I think I'd have to be craving a LOT worse than I was then, for me to want to smoke another cigarette. It just sucks me right back into full-time smoking, even when I have no intention of that happening... it does anyway -- exactly as drinking even one alcoholic beverage would do, even after 22 yrs. I'd think, "this isn't so bad," and have another... and before I even knew what was happening, I'd be on the floor. So I guess it's good that I don't drink anymore, if smoking really is that much better when one is drinking!
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No, I have friends who in the absence of me showing any signs of alcoholism would never think of inflicting their personal agenda on me. The type of friends who respect my right as a thinking adult to do what I choose when it comes to alcohol. The thought of someone trying to inflict their choices on me because they think "it is actually better not to drink alcohol" makes me see red. You can think that all you want, but if you start proselytizing about it then I think you're a terrible person.
For women, 1-2 drinks per day has a protective effect on developing heart disease because of the temporary lowering of blood pressure. For men, it's 2-3 drinks per day (both for average sized humans). This has been shown and replicated many, many times, much to the surprise of the initial researchers. (Nurses health study, framingham heart study, etc.)
Smoking "a little" as said by op means social drinking, "a little." This, to me, implies infrequently.
Anywho. Just wanted to throw that in there. I don't drink but maybe 2 drinks a month, but I still have true friends that drink occasionally. My alcoholic friends and family...yeah, i've said what I've needed to say, and made my peace. No need to be militant and pointing fingers at everone who has a drink for their own good from whatever viewpoint that I have...because, hey, I could be wrong!
I just have my own experiences...everything else is just something that I've read or heard about. Play nice!
Smoking "a little" as said by op means social drinking, "a little." This, to me, implies infrequently.
Anywho. Just wanted to throw that in there. I don't drink but maybe 2 drinks a month, but I still have true friends that drink occasionally. My alcoholic friends and family...yeah, i've said what I've needed to say, and made my peace. No need to be militant and pointing fingers at everone who has a drink for their own good from whatever viewpoint that I have...because, hey, I could be wrong!
I just have my own experiences...everything else is just something that I've read or heard about. Play nice!
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I consider my mom a functioning alcoholic. Usually kills atleast a bottle of wine a day... She's a happy drunk, but it still can't be good. I've told her my thoughts, not an intervention or anything, just told her that I was concerned for her! I dont trust her to watch my kid unsupervised or anything, but other than that I treat her like I would any one else (drinking or not).
Live and let live.
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I know what you mean... the only reason I knew my kid was safe when visiting his grandparents, when my mom was still drinking, was because my stepfather, if he drinks *at all*, never has more than 1 beer. But my son grew up knowing... you don't call their house after 8pm, unless you really WANT a drunken rage about something right in your ear. My mom was only a happy drunk till somewhere in the middle of the 3rd drink. After that, she was pure belligerence, one of the most unpleasant drunks I've ever had the misfortune to know... and I had to grow up with that.
Andria
I know what you mean... the only reason I knew my kid was safe when visiting his grandparents, when my mom was still drinking, was because my stepfather, if he drinks *at all*, never has more than 1 beer. But my son grew up knowing... you don't call their house after 8pm, unless you really WANT a drunken rage about something right in your ear. My mom was only a happy drunk till somewhere in the middle of the 3rd drink. After that, she was pure belligerence, one of the most unpleasant drunks I've ever had the misfortune to know... and I had to grow up with that.
Andria
Sorry to hear that... My mom is all happy, or super emotional... I usually try to keep her on the happy side
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I have studied this. The reason people only smoke when they are drinking is because the alcohol anesthetizes them so that they don't feel the physical effects of the smoking. Most people don't feel like smoking 10 Camels in two hours when they are sober.
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Yes (That's the simple answer and no more need be said but forum rules state an answer must be longer than 10 characters.)
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