Is vaping doomed

[Rossum]

Not me though.
The minute the nic regulation part of my prediction begins/b], I will complete the acquisition of everything I need to keep vaping my own liquid, wrapping and wicking coils for my growing collection of atomizers, for the rest of my life.
That'll cost about $200.

If you wait until then, plan on spending a LOT more.

 

[salemgold]

Agreed. the time to stock up is now IMO

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I suspect we'll see a lot of civil disobedience in the near future. For some it will be a new experience, but for many of us it will be business-as-usual.

And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration
If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse"

- Jagger/Richards

 

[Rossum]

And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration
If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse"

- Jagger/Richards

He was way ahead of his time, using dual-parallel batteries way back then.

 

[zoiDman]

There wasn't much that Keith Richards didn't use back in the day.

 

[nicnik]

As vapers already, most of us will get by. My main concern comes with regards to current smokers that haven't yet switched.

No ECF, no online stores, no chatter allowed on social media, no advertising.
Availability of over taxed, under performing devices, weak nic., flavourless liquids.
Why in the world would a smoker switch in this type environment?
Most won't even bother, and many that do will likely fail.

Smokers are lowlifes anyways, social outcasts, who cares. (sarc)
Unless it's your mom, dad, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc.

Wake up! IT MATTERS!

Great post. Every bit of it. Thanks.

 

[nicnik]

Why would there be no ECF or social media vaping groups? Worst case scenario they ban flavors and tax us into oblivion. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it. There are internet forums dedicated to all kinds of illegal things.

I'm afraid of the online discussions having an air of intimidation cutting into the effectiveness, but yeah, you're right that it won't go away. I'm guessing you'd see mostly political activism discussion and very little help with getting people started with vaping. People might not be willing to sign up and ask.

I'm a worrier by nature, so maybe my worry is out of proportion.

 

[nicnik]

When there's a will, there's a way. If someone is really interested, they'll make the effort -- the internet has been around for a while now, and getting more widespread all the time. If someone isn't really interested, they won't make the effort even if someone handed them a provari and a kayfun for free.

Andria

But we've heard of and from so many people ,who had no intention of quitting, giving up smoking when stumbling into a vaporizer. We'd lose al those potential switchers.

 

[nicnik]

There is concern about ECF's ability to continue without vendor advertising and other financial support.

Yikes! Not good at all.

 

[AndriaD]

Tried that. He was coughing before he knew I even did it. It never failed. I personally do not believe that vaping caused it either. I have been vaping much longer than he did and it has never happened to me. Therefor his argument is invalid. However him being my dad I must see if there are any facts in his concerns.

Could be allergy; they can be incredibly sensitive. My son is deathly allergic to coconut; once he ate a chocolate out of a gift box that had been *next* to a coconut piece, each in its own little paper doily... within 1 minute his throat started closing. It's terrifying.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

If you wait until then, plan on spending a LOT more.

Heh... after I started reading this thread, I ran right over to VT and ordered another 120ml of their TH nic (another 6+ months of breathing room!)... and wholecig for another bottle of WTA, even though I'm not out. And my slow but steady withdrawal from WTA continues apace; I'm doing great at 6% now. In May I'll go to 5%. Doing it this slowly, my brain doesn't even really seem to notice that it's gradually going away.

When I explained to my husband that the nicotine I can buy right now for $10, might before the end of the year cost as much as $100, if it's available at all, all he said was "Buy it." Buying $10-$20 worth a month, I'm now up to about 2.5-3 yrs' worth.

Andria

 

[Rossum]

When I explained to my husband that the nicotine I can buy right now for $10, might before the end of the year cost as much as $100, if it's available at all, all he said was "Buy it."

If he's like most husbands, he'd prefer his wife retain some superficial semblance of her sanity, and he's probably seen you try to do without nic on at least one occasion. My wife certainly likes me better when I have nic and keeps encouraging me to stock more.

 

[AndriaD]

If he's like most husbands, he'd prefer his wife retain some superficial semblance of her sanity, and he's probably seen you try to do without nic on at least one occasion. My wife certainly likes me better when I have nic and keeps encouraging me to stock more.

Well, back in the summer, when I was so ill and couldn't vape for 4 days, and had a get-me-some-cigarettes-right-now meltdown at midnight... he ran right out and got them! But he's as pleased as I am that I was able to put them down again. He's been with me for 3 of my 4 previous attempts, so he knows exactly what I've gone thru to get smoke-free and *stay there!* But for me I don't think it's really that strongly about the nic, it's all those other alkaloids that seem to really have their hooks in me, which is why I'm so cautious and so happy about getting free of them. Nicotine will be a piece of cake, once the other alkaloids are out of the picture. I've endured major caffeine addiction and withdrawal and it's a long, long way from fun or easy, but it's possible with effort and determination.

Andria

 

[Bob Chill]

and the new FDA Boss is saying he's going to do just that ... speed things up

Mr. Chill ... I do enjoy your posts.

Appreciate the compliment. I'm not sure many like reading some of my posts. I've been an entrepreneur and self employed for nearly 20 years now. I've witnessed up close and personal what sweeping regulations can do to industries. One bill in particular shut down a business that I ran for a decade. The saddest day of my professional career was calling in 15 long time employees to the meeting room to break the news. It happened fast only because I was unprepared for the reality that the regs imposed. I'm older now and see things more clearly. What is important to me is not important to everyone. And when "everyone" includes people with the authority to make decisions that have a strong impact in my life or business, I take it quite seriously. Just because I've grown day to day comfortable with something doesn't mean it can't be swiftly impacted.

I want as much as anyone for the vaping industry to remain exactly as it is today. But it's just not realistic given the uphill climb we're facing. I'm personally prepared with an 8+ year supply stored neatly in my freezer. I've been exclusively DIY for a while now and regardless of what direction things go, I prefer to DIY for the same reasons I cook at home almost every night. It fits my personality. But this issue goes far beyond "me". It's all of us. The insurance policy is cheap right now. The safest way to not worry about a worst case scenario is invest a couple hundred bucks and store it properly.

I pulled a 20 month old bottle of nic base from the freezer this week. Perfectly clear with no noticeable oxidation. How long can it store? The question has been asked many times. I personally believe 8-10 years is quite possible.

 

[Stinknugget]

I once believed BT would squash vaping before it gained popularity by infecting the media with exaggerated reports of negative side effects.

After that I believed BT would research, develop, standardize and capitalize from vaping.

Now, after vaping for a few years and seeing how the focus of many B&M stores changed from converting smokers to supplying hobbyists, I believe BT's only concern regarding vaping is to capture all the remaining smokers and non smokers alike with a universal device with the ability to vape "something" just like one would utilize smoking, eating and drinking other solids and liquids. Nicotine is at the top layer of the unscratched surface.

BT's interest in vaping is at an impasse as the gradual legalization of Marijuana is underway. Lobbying either way at this point could prove detrimental. Developing a universal device is paramount.

I believe BP is the bigger concern. I was shocked to see that BP stands to lose billions (with a "B") if marijuana is legalized on the federal level.

Vaping is still the future. It just needs a facelift to push it into orbit.

 

[juggler86]

As much as I would like to believe our voices mean something I dont. At this point in the US it doesnt matter how many common people want/dont want something. The only thing that talks is money and thats why bans/restrictions are going to be brought upon us. CASAA means well, but they arent giving the government billions of dollars so it really isnt anything. Its sad, but true. The reason I have been stockpiling everything.

 

[t8kiteasy]

I do not know if we are doomed but it sure is depressing thinking that it would be though.

 

[Madder ax]

I've seen alot of posts now a days about the bills being passed without vaping.... from banning the sales of ejuice to 75% sales tax..... are we doomed? it seems like the government gives no ....s about our health and choice to vape....

Yes. We are heading to Vaping Prohibition. No worries though. We all know what happened the last time our "employees" in Government tried this stunt. Think supply and demand. We will not have any problems. What we need to do, though, is find a way to "fire" these turncoats in our Government that are causing all this grief.

 

[Papillon61]

All that has been mentioned in this thread as a possibility - no advertising or encouragement, no flavour in e-liquids, no nicotine above a certain level in liquids, nicotine to be sold in containers that cannot leak (in cartos then, right), extensive test reports to be submitted every six months, any new product must be submitted for inspection six months prior to its launch, etc, etc, is already a reality in Europe. The Directive, which treats e-cigarettes as a tobacco product, is already there, etched in stone, and will come into force in April next year. Some European States, for instance Italy, are already imposing high taxes on e-liquids.

I have not been vaping for long but I am stocking up. I already have nicotine in the freezer and am currently investing in RBAs - it's either that or go back to smoking.

 

[Marc411]

Seems like a good place to post this, Call to Action: Submit comments on FDA’s Second Workshop Regarding E-Cigarettes. I just hit the submit button.

CASAA: Call to Action: Submit comments on FDA’s Second Workshop Regarding E-Cigarettes.