Sorry chiming in, 2 year plus into vaping now getting into sub tanks now. I was a hardcore velvet cloud fan, but tried some others based off reviews from this site and somewhat disappointed. So I made the leap to the 6 bottle zample box sub. I can honestly say its better than expected. Sure some of items don't agree, but at least i'm not shelling out $15 buclk for one 15ml bottle at the local vape shop or $30+ for 2. For $20 something 6 decent bottles of juice randomly selected has opened my eyes. I was spending 70-80 bucks at velvet cloud, and honestly though 100%VG the liquid was getting bland even with the steap. SO bang for the buck , great communication zample box was for me. Price is right, seems they are getting over their growing pains.