Issue with Phoenix "reborn" cartos

[smithdl]

Ok, so when the Phoenix first came out, I was crazy-impressed. Excellent flavor and vapor production, and they just went on and on. I could get weeks out of each one without any drop off in flavor or vapor.

Now these new "reborn" ones come out, I'm thinking 'well it was already pretty much perfect, i dunno how it could be better!' Well you know how they say don't mess with a good thing. These new ones are just not what I came to expect when I started buying the older ones. The flavor is pretty good most of the time, but the drop off happens just so much faster than before, and it becomes just plain 'bad' quicker than the old ones even started to taste a little different!

I just really don't understand what happened. I wonder what needed to be changed, because the old ones were just plain awesome, and the new ones are just not there. I'll grant that even the new ones are still better than most cartos I've tried, so maybe I'm not being very grateful, but I just want the old ones back!!

 

[vsummer1]

Perhaps they were so good there wasn't enough repeat business so they made it so you have to buy them more often

 

[Harplayr]

Many have expressed disappointment in the revised design.
About a month (or more) ago Bad said he was working with the factory to review options.

Hopefully we'll get an update and hear more soon.
I for one would love to see a return of the origionals.

 

[smithdl]

Wow that would be great if they went back to the original design. I'd love to hear an update on progress as well!

 

[KraKsX]

I like the reborns, almost three weeks into one of them, and still working like a champ.

I never used the first ones, so nothing to put it against. You just say quicker, how long in time are yours falling off in the flavor dept?

 

[zippersnapper]

Perhaps they were so good there wasn't enough repeat business so they made it so you have to buy them more often

That, I wouldnt doubt...Along the same lines as tires, panty hose and Curtis Mathis TV's...

 

[zippersnapper]

When you find something really good...buy a CRAPLOAD of them !

I love the Phoenix BC's and I bought a buch, and still have most of them. I just hope Kanger doesn't try and "improve" the T3's in the same fashon.

It would be SUPER cool if Kanger would make a version of the CE3's (that you can get at the coil to clean/rebuild)

 

[smithdl]

The original ones would last me anywhere from 2-3 weeks without any flavor dropoff. These newer ones I seem to be replacing every week...

 

[KraKsX]

Maybe just your pack(s)? Like I said, my reborn has been going strong just about 3weeks now

 

[smithdl]

Maybe, although I have used quite a few of them. Maybe I'm vaping too much lol

 

[KraKsX]

could be, or I don't vape nearly as much as you (I'm sure I don't)

 

[fatcharlie]

I'd love to see the originals come back. I never had a single issue with them. The reborns are making me look for other vaping options.

 

[RichardV]

Remember Ravengate?
New & improved??

I'm glad I stocked up a bit on the originals, don't know what I'll use when they have all expired.

 

[AG51]

Remember Ravengate?

 

[tidegirl]

Remember Ravengate?
New & improved??

I'm glad I stocked up a bit on the originals, don't know what I'll use when they have all expired.

No need to search for something new. They are still very good, just not as good as the first version. Since you are stocked up, maybe by the time you need more there will be a V3 already.

 

[Harplayr]

No need to search for something new. They are still very good, just not as good as the first version. Since you are stocked up, maybe by the time you need more there will be a V3 already.

I agree. While a small step backwards, they are still an excellent device. Phoenix XL's and T3's are my mainstay for now.

 

[BonnyC]

I was absolutely crazy about the original Phoenixes and very disappointed with the Reborns. I'm right there with you - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's a real shame what they did to my sweet babies!

3 out of the 5 I had died within the first week or so. Some of the originals I had lasted for 3 months with semi-regular use (once a week or until it was too gunked up to vape without cleaning - I vape a lot of sweet liquids and they gunk a coil faster than other flavors).

I guess one out of the pack worked well since my mom's still using it, but the last one is really not good. In fact, none of the 4 I had worked right and I did what I could to fix it without doing any rebuilding since that's just way over my head. I thinned the wicks, lifted the coils and so on. I still got dry hits, terribly muted flavor and it was overall just dissatisfying.

Perhaps many others like these just fine but there seems to be more people unhappy with them than there were with the original design. Hopefully they will go back to it. Maybe they can call them Phoenix Returned or something

 

[Harplayr]

It reminds me of the time when some fool at Coke decided to change the formula and came out with New Coke.
They quickly had to revert back to their old formula to come out with Classic Coke.
I wants a classic Phoenix

 

[zippersnapper]

Does anyone "rebuild" these original CE3's?