It's been a while

[barkfunklerbunk]

It's been a while since I entered the vaping world. I want to turn my dad over to the wonders of vape land and get him off cigarettes. So I'm looking to buy him a special gift, at the very latest by Christmas time. What is good nowadays for kits that aren't terribly expensive? I started out on the MVP and nautilus, which I think was about $60. I think something like that, with drop in coils might be a good way to ease him in, and won't break my bank, but at the same time it's got to be quality. Maybe the MVP is better now but it became a 40$ paperweight after a couple of months after the 510 broke(about 4 years ago, probably the OG MVP, or MVP2) Any other suggestions or other ideas for kits or standalones? I don't know anything about these new pod things. Stealth is important as hes a sneaky smoker.. but I'm pretty sure everyone knows, just doesn't say anything.

 

[barkfunklerbunk]

I guess the next question would be.. and I don't know if y'all or even I can answer this.. what juice do I supply him with? Lol..
Can I surreptitiously get him to quit cigarettes?

 

[bombastinator]

Well you’re probably going to want MTL since he’s currently on the stinkies. It becomes a question of convienience vs upkeep cost.
Pod mods for example offer maximum convienience , but also maximum upkeep cost. Initial cost can be quite low though (They get you later).
Some have the advantage that they conn ct through a proprietary adapter rather than MicroUSB2, which is famous for its flakiness.
Next comes the AIO devices. They have coil cartridges and generally offer better performance and upkeep cost than pods but are slightly more fiddlyto use. These basically all have microUSB2 for charging.
After that comes a mod/atty combo. Getting a good quality one may be outside your budget though. With this you can get external batteries which also means external batteries and battery swapping.

 

[barkfunklerbunk]

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Well you’re probably going to want MTL since he’s currently on the stinkies. It becomes a question of convienience vs upkeep cost.
Pod mods for example offer maximum convienient even, but also maximum upkeep cost. Initial cost can be quite low though (They get you later).
Some have the advantage that they conn ct through a proprietary adapter rather than MicroUSB2, which is famous for its flakiness.
Next comes the AIO devices. They have coil cartridges and generally offer better performance and upkeep cost than pods but are slightly more fiddlyto use. These basically all have microUSB2 for charging.
After that comes a mod/atty combo. Getting a good quality one may be outside your budget though. With this you can get external batteries which also means external batteries and battery swapping.

I think youre right about the budget.. maybe 100$+ total might be appropriate.. and if it's not for him, well.. I'll just take it back and use it for a back up!
I would supply him with one of my own mods and a erlkonigin clone, but having a rebuildables from the get go is daunting from a straight up noob, and couple that with a mech mod.. no way.

 

[barkfunklerbunk]

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I think youre right about the budget.. maybe 100$+ total might be appropriate.. and if it's not for him, well.. I'll just take it back and use it for a back up!
I would supply him with one of my own mods and a erlkonigin clone, but having a rebuildables from the get go is daunting from a straight up noob, and couple that with a mech mod.. no way.

Getting a good regulated mod with external batteries(and usb charging capability) and a cheap beginner atty like a nautilus might be the route to take.

 

[JCinFLA]

You may not like this suggestion, but...with there being so many different types /sizes/brands of mods and tanks now and not knowing if your Dad will want a tube shape or box mod...and whether he'll want to vape MTL or DTL - I'd suggest taking him to a vape shop and letting him help decide what to get him. That doesn't mean you have to buy it there (where it'll undoubtedly be much more $$), but you'll then know what to order online for him.

 

[barkfunklerbunk]

You may not like this suggestion, but...with there being so many different types /sizes/brands of mods and tanks now and not knowing if your Dad will want a tube shape or box mod...and whether he'll want to vape MTL or DTL - I'd suggest taking him to a vape shop and letting him help decide what to get him. That doesn't mean you have to buy it there (where it'll undoubtedly be much more $$), but you'll then know what to order online for him.

That is a good idea, but daunting. He thinks I don't know he smokes! Haha. I prefer the sneaky way of just getting it for him and hope for the best lol he also lives 600 miles away, but that is probably the best idea. I do visit my parents about twice a year. Thanks! I had not thought of this.

 

[JCinFLA]

Another thing to consider is...does he even want to try vaping? I'm definitely not trying to discourage you from helping him get started, but...it might be nice if it's something he's thought about trying before you put out the $$.

For something within your budget though, if you're going to go for it yourself anyway - I'd say try an Eleaf Pico 75W mod with something small like an Aspire K1 tank on it for him. The tank takes the Aspire BVC coils which are readily available, not real expensive, and last a good while. The Pico takes a single 18650 battery, is fairly small and discrete, and can also be charged with USB. You'd be able to easily get everything within your $60 original limit, even a battery charger.

 

[Fredman1]

I just got myself the Innokin EZ Watt. Perfect little stealth MTL setup. Utube that...
Then there is the pod/AIO way. The SMPO pod system are directly aimed at getting smokers off the stink stuff...

 

[MagicJosh]

buy him a vape

 

[Baditude]

If he doesn't openly admit to smoking to anyone, he may not be open to try vaping. However, you can tell him that people can smell the smoke on his clothes and hair (if he has any) so he's not fooling anybody.

If you have vaped around him, you could give him a setup as a gift and tell him how much more you love vaping than smoking and maybe...just maybe he will, too. You can present it as a "novelty" gift, and maybe he'll fall for that and give it an honest try. Vaping together might be a bonding moment shared between father and son (or daughter).

If he uses the internet, you could show him this forum to help educate him about vaping. Tell him that many vapers consider vaping a "hobby" and he could use a new hobby.

I got the impression that you're interested in learning the latest technology and recommended starter setups available. I wrote the blog below to help new vapers pick their first vape setup. Hopefully that will give you some ideas.

Good Starter Setups for a Beginner Vaper
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A complete starter setup that I often suggest is below:



For e-liquids, that's a tough one to answer. It's difficult to near impossible to find a flavor that "tastes like a cigarette". IMHO, its better to avoid tobacco flavors altogether and start off with a fruit, candy, or desert flavor. If there is a vape shop locally, a trip to sample flavors might be worth the effort.

 

[Chajo]

I am 40 year smoker, who WANTS to quit entirely - and, am working on it.

As far as equipment goes, I can't be much help - still trying to figure that one out for myself. Right now I have Aspire Zelos with Nautilus 2 tank. I like it but am having some leaking/gurgling issues with it - pretty sure though it is operator error. I've only had it since May. I am looking to get as a second mod the Innokin Kroma A/Zenith - as advised by folks on this site. From what I've read, it works a lot like the Aspire, but maybe not so much leaking opportunities?

As far as e-liquid: Menthol cigarettes are what I still smoke (less than before, TG), so I found two e-liquids I mix together that come close to mimicking a menthol cigarette: Halo Mystic Menthol & EVO Spearmint. Did both in 12mg nicotine level and seems to work well.

I will worry later about getting away from tobacco tasting stuff - that is, after I wean down the nicotine as much as possible (maybe to zero I hope). For how long I have smoked, if I don't have the tobacco flavor right now, I am not sure if I would grab the vape over a regular cigarette.

Hope at least some of this helps.

 

[tgs3]

I am 40 year smoker, who WANTS to quit entirely - and, am working on it.

I smoked for 40+ years; I began vaping and joined ecf in August 2017. I am now cigarette free for the last four months. I vape 12mg now but started at 24mg and only cut back slowly - 18mg, 15mg. You might consider raising your nic level.

In any event, good luck!

 

[stols001]

I.... do not really know how I would even consider going about this, to be honest. It's not so much the setup, but surely you have to get it to him somehow, and if you ship it, it will have your return address unless you drop ship it, what type of setup probably MTL but as far as liquids it's impossible to know not only what he will like the taste of, or the strength needed as if he's a "sneaky smoker' it's impossible to figure out nicotine levels and whatnot.

This seems almost like a recipe of "how to NOT get someone to start vaping," to be honest, more like a waste of money. If you don't want him to know you know he smokes, well, that means an anonymous somehow vape that he doesn't even necessarily know what it IS and some strange liquids and yeah all that would make me want to SNEAK a cigarette.

It's going to be rather hard to convince your dad to even try vaping without acknowledging that yes you know he smokes, and etc. Unless he becomes somehow violent about it, I also see no reason for you not to acknowledge: REALITY. You don't have to play along with the charade.

I mean, I'm not trying to be rude it's just that this plan really.... If you put yourself in HIS shoes, getting a mystery vape package to him just doesn't seem very effective, well planned out etc., at that point you'd be better off donating what you'd spend on a setup to the VA or something.

Figure out a different way and acknowledge that while you may want him to vape, he very much may not want to do that, and furthermore, trying to remain anonymous may not be the quickest and best approach.

I do salute your desire for your dad to quit but maybe start with a phone conversation about vaping to see if he's even WILLING to consider it.

Anna

 

[gerrymi]

My suggestion...buy him 5 (or so) White Cloud Flings...Tobacco or Menthol to match the cigarettes he smokes...at the highest nicotine level...

NO learning curve...he'll "smoke" them just like the cigarettes he "sneaks"...

They're a somewhat expensive way to vape (as opposed to using a Tank/Mod/Juice)...but at one $5 Fling = 2 packs of analogs...they're MUCH cheaper than tobacco...

If he likes them...then you can open up the "vaping conversation" about Tanks/Mods/Juices...

If he doesn't like them...or ends up not even trying using them...you/he can just forget all about vaping for him...(and...if he then gives the unused ones to you...you'll find them QUITE enjoyable for "stealth" purposes)…

[I find them GREAT to use when I'm admitted to a "We Confiscate All E-Cigarettes" hospital...]

Fling Original | Fling Disposable E Cigarettes | White Cloud


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[barkfunklerbunk]

Thanks for the replies folks. I need to employ some deft strategery and tactics, and I think the best way is to confront him face to face in a non-judgemental and loving fashion. I want my dad to be around for a while longer, continuing to smoke is going to inhibit that notion. I will tell him how vaping has helped me quit and become more healthy, and offer him all the help and info I can, if he would like to. If he doesn't want to join us, well.. then that's his choice. I can't control him and make choices for him. If he wants to make that choice of vaping, I am ready, willing, and able to set him on the path to success.. largely due to this forum!!

 

[HauntedMyst]

My grandma didn't want to try vaping but I'll tell you - put anyone in a choke hold for long enough and they will agree to try just about anything just to breath again! For the newbie, the compelling thing about vaping is the flavors. Find him a flavor he loves with the right nic hit and he'll be want to vape instead of smoke.

 

[barkfunklerbunk]

Thanks for the replies folks. I need to employ some deft strategery and tactics, and I think the best way is to confront him face to face in a non-judgemental and loving fashion. I want my dad to be around for a while longer, continuing to smoke is going to inhibit that notion. I will tell him how vaping has helped me quit and become more healthy, and offer him all the help and info I can, if he would like to. If he doesn't want to join us, well.. then that's his choice. I can't control him and make choices for him. If he wants to make that choice of vaping, I am ready, willing, and able to set him on the path to success.. largely due to this forum!!

When I have this convo I'm going to have my Erlkönigin clone + mech set up for him to just to try, with a high nic blueberry menthol juice. He smokes menthols. I wouldn't let him take it with him but just for him to see what it's like. I don't know if they let you try stuff in vape shops.

 

[SunshinePete]

For e-liquids, that's a tough one to answer. It's difficult to near impossible to find a flavor that "tastes like a cigarette". IMHO, its better to avoid tobacco flavors altogether and start off with a fruit, candy, or desert flavor. If there is a vape shop locally, a trip to sample flavors might be worth the effort.

I guess the next question would be.. and I don't know if y'all or even I can answer this.. what juice do I supply him with? Lol..
Can I surreptitiously get him to quit cigarettes?

It's not near-impossible to find an eliquid with a cigarette taste, it's completely impossible! Vaping, in truth, is absolutely nothing like smoking cigarettes, everyone here knows that, and I think it's best presented as an alternative means of getting a notional nicotine fix while making a gesture of keeping up the suck-on-something habit.

 

[Baditude]

When I have this convo I'm going to have my Erlkönigin clone + mech set up for him to just to try, with a high nic blueberry menthol juice. He smokes menthols. I wouldn't let him take it with him but just for him to see what it's like. I don't know if they let you try stuff in vape shops.

I smoked Marlboro Menthols when I smoked. My first e-liquid flavor was a menthol. A plain menthol or tobacco menthol would be better than a blueberry menthol, IMHO. (I hate blueberry)

A plain menthol vape flavor makes an easier transition for a menthol cigarette smoker.