It's...so...good.... (my take on the Z Atty Pro)

[Soully]

Got my z atty pro in the mail today. First off...it was like christmas, dear lord, I was so excited! Excitement diminished on opening though. Why? Friggin peanuts...so many peanuts. I really do not like those things, they get everywhere, and there never really is an easy way to dump them out *twitch*

Anywho, on to the product!

It comes with ceramics now, like the cite says, which is fine, though price for price, after I rebuild (see "break") the second wick, I'll probably just go with 400 mesh, I may like tinkering, but 4 bucks a piece just seems a tad expensive when 1x1' of mesh is 10 bucks.

The ZAP itself is packaged nice and snug, which is good, because it does come with one of the wicks preassembled.

The premade coil though was nice, one tiny hotspot, and I didn't even move it, I poked it, and it was out, so I can chalk that up to a little rattle in shipping, so still happy about that. For those that are curious, the coil was about 1.8 Ohms by the time I'd gotten some use out of it.

The flavor is delicious, bit my tongue already because I thought I had a green apple in my mouth (the flavor I'm vaping), and I really just wanted to bite it, super crisp. I did get a little burnt taste, but that was because I had started chain vaping it.

Which is my downside, but it's not a downside of the ZAP, but a downside of how the genesis styles work, chain vaping takes some practice, because it isn't like the protank that you can just vape until your blue in the face, the wick doesn't wick as fast as say a silica wick does (how many times can YOU say wick in a sentence and it still make sense? huzzah!), but again, this is not a downside on the ZAP, and to be honest, not even really a downside, just something that takes practice.

Upside however...to compare. Protank, bad coil? Too bad, rebuild it. ZAP, bad coil? Fiddle with it a bit, go back to vaping...ermahgod! Yea, it is that easy, 99% of the coils you make, assuming you didn't make a horrendous coil, will work just fine after you poke it a bit to get rid of the hot spots.

With this, I do HIGHLY, HIIIIIIGHLY recommend watching Zen's video about using the ZAP on provape's website (it's actually in the ZAPs description). He does a wonderful job of walking you through the device, how to set it up, what to expect, etc, etc. Just keep in mind the video mentions mesh, and it no longer comes with that, ceramic instead.

The price? Yea, it's expensive, but I went back and watched a few interviews that had been done with Zen, apparently he wanted to use aluminum, but because people wanted stainless steel, he went with it, and chose one the FDA approves, a surgical grade steel, so it costs more, and he needs to be paid for his work. So yes, while I agree, it's expensive, and there are less expensive ones out there, I still stand buy the quality of it...and the fact it comes with a coil already made and ready to go makes me happy, and if you have the satin provari, it looks rather sexy. I believe it's worth the price, you may not, but such is the art of the opinion xD

Overall, I probably won't be going back to my protank unless something drastic happens, because I'm in heaven at this very moment.


A word of caution to the newcomers, this is definitely not as easy as the protank if you are just buying replacement coils, or as easy as the plug n play atomizers, it takes a bit of finnicking with the coil, keeping an eye on the resistance just to make sure a hot spot doesn't come into existence, and slowing down your chain vaping till you get used to handling the genesis style. But if you feel you're up to it, the experience is worth it, hands down.


To clarify for those that are wondering, I am NOT, I repeat, NOT a highly experienced vapor, I'm still learning, I have tried 3 different eliquids at this point, so not many, and I've got about 8 on standby to try. I buy in 10-15ml bottles, and form an opinion over time with each liquid, in case my taste buds initially pick up random shenanigans (ie: the coquito initially tasted like vaping suntan lotion...after the first tank...it was heaven in my mouth, rum + coconut = nothing else is necessary). But I try to pay attention to what I'm doing, learn from mistakes I make, and continue on when I find something I enjoy.

That's all for now!

 

[Nicadmus]

Nice. I appreciate the review. Glad to read you are enjoying it!

 

[Steam Turbine]

Until you figure out better ways of building your coils so they wick like CRAZY (which will happen if you keep perfecting your skills) just give your pv a little tilt, gravity helps a lot on genesis atomizers. Chain vape away!

Congrats on your purchase.

 

[grandmato5]

Glad to hear you're loving your ZAP Had mine a year now and still love it as much as when I first got it

 

[Fizzpop]

I love my ZAP. Don't discount the ceramic wicks just yet; they are lovely. Very clean and if you are careful, you can have them last for months if not longer. It is rather hard to break one while wrapping it if you stick with 32 gauge wire - just make sure you anneal the wire first. What ends up breaking the wick is the stainless steel top - if it rocks back when putting it on or taking it off you will break the wick. Use some juice to lube the o-ring and you will have a lot more control. Bonus: you can restore the wick to a pristine state by getting it red hot using a torch (take it out first, of course).

You should take your ZAP apart at least once a week for a good cleaning. I recommend using rubber gloves to push the glass cylinder off; it's a tight fit and I find it is hard to get a good grip just using my bare hand.

Chain vaping is NOT a problem, just give it a tilt as suggested above.

 

[Soully]

To those that say chain vaping is not a problem.

I do edit my previous mentioning, tilting it does lead to more chain vaping (which I picked up on here just a few minutes ago), though it really isn't wicking at that point, because gravity isn't pulling it up anymore, at least in my opinion and understanding of the definition of wicking anyway xD

Not shooting down this method, as I'm doing it between typing, but none the less, yes, I agree, does work xD

 

[Lord Vaako]

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on the Zap. I bought two of them and after a few weeks I gave up on it. I think it makes great vapor and tastes great, but they're very finicky. The top comes off so easy and if you lay the Provari on its side, the liquid will leak out. I ended up wasting so much juice. I also love to vape in bed and fall asleep with my Provari. Don't try that with your zap. It'll end up on its side causing it to leak and if you roll over on, forget it. You basically have to keep the thing perfectly up right and not bump it if it's in your pocket or the top pops off. And how annoying is it when you don't have time to sit there and diddle with a wick when all you want is a quick pull and it's not cooperating? Wait and see. I'll take my 6ml U-DCT over my zaps any day. I would just recommend getting dual coil cartomizers with 2 holes punched in them over the one that's included. It holds more juice than the Zap, it's more durable, and it produces just as much vapor for a fraction of the cost. All without driving you insane.

 

[Soully]

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on the Zap. I bought two of them and after a few weeks I gave up on it. I think it makes great vapor and tastes great, but they're very finicky. The top comes off so easy and if you lay the Provari on its side, the liquid will leak out. I ended up wasting so much juice. I also love to vape in bed and fall asleep with my Provari. Don't try that with your zap. It'll end up on its side causing it to leak and if you roll over on, forget it. You basically have to keep the thing perfectly up right and not bump it if it's in your pocket or the top pops off. And how annoying is it when you don't have time to sit there and diddle with a wick when all you want is a quick pull and it's not cooperating? Wait and see. I'll take my 6ml U-DCT over my zaps any day. I would just recommend getting dual coil cartomizers with 2 holes punched in them over the one that's included. It holds more juice than the Zap, it's more durable, and it produces just as much vapor for a fraction of the cost. All without driving you insane.

So, that's not with just the zap, if it's a genesis style, that's how they are? Maybe I'm missing out on one or two different ones, but all of them leak like a sub with a screen door if left on their side. And why would you leave it on it's side? It will roll, fall off a surface, or scratch up the nice finish!

Can't say I have any issue with the top coming off, I just topped off the fluid in mine, and it took a wee bit of force to come off. I dried off the o-rings, and inside the top, and it was just as tight as when I took it off.

As far as putting it in your pocket...I wouldn't put any container with liquid in my pocket without putting it in some kind of ziplock bag just to be safe, that's what I did when I used my protank, because of that "what if" feeling.

And as far as if it's not cooperating, as any youtube review of a genesis will state, always have a backup in case your new coil is acting up, always safer that way.

And I'm quite happy with a 4ml ish tank, granted I just filled it, but when I made this post over 2 hours ago, I had filled it about 3/4 of the way, I filled it when it was at half, so that's over a solid 2 hours of vaping. No, I wasn't chain vaping that entire time, as I mentioned, only recently got used to the tilting and figured it out, but still, that is NOT a lot of eliquid for ALOT of vapor and flavor.

And as far as going to sleep with your provari, there are a lot better things to fall asleep with xD On a serious note, I wouldn't recommend that with any tank, what if you roll over on it just the right way, crack the glass, have the button held down and get a short in the battery? These just seem like all bad things that could happen. The provari with the ZAP stands up quite nicely as long as an earthquake doesn't hit, and there's a bottom made by someone whom I can't remember that I'm going to end up getting, that gives a larger baseplate to the device, seems like a winner to me.

 

[Fizzpop]

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on the Zap. I bought two of them and after a few weeks I gave up on it. I think it makes great vapor and tastes great, but they're very finicky. The top comes off so easy and if you lay the Provari on its side, the liquid will leak out. I ended up wasting so much juice. I also love to vape in bed and fall asleep with my Provari. Don't try that with your zap. It'll end up on its side causing it to leak and if you roll over on, forget it. You basically have to keep the thing perfectly up right and not bump it if it's in your pocket or the top pops off. And how annoying is it when you don't have time to sit there and diddle with a wick when all you want is a quick pull and it's not cooperating? Wait and see. I'll take my 6ml U-DCT over my zaps any day. I would just recommend getting dual coil cartomizers with 2 holes punched in them over the one that's included. It holds more juice than the Zap, it's more durable, and it produces just as much vapor for a fraction of the cost. All without driving you insane.

The ZAP (or any Genesis, IMHO) is not good for carrying around. This is a sit on the couch or in front of the computer vaping machine. Yes, you have to keep them upright; this is obvious given the design. This is, however, easily done by using a simple wooden block with an appropriately sized hole drilled into it. I only have to mess with a wick or coil when I rebuild it. I've gone weeks using the same coil with no problems at all. And the vape quality is just outstanding.

If I am on the go, I use a Kanger bottom coil tank. Use the right tool for the job.

 

[Soully]

The ZAP (or any Genesis, IMHO) is not good for carrying around. This is a sit on the couch or in front of the computer vaping machine. Yes, you have to keep them upright; this is obvious given the design. This is, however, easily done by using a simple wooden block with an appropriately sized hole drilled into it. I only have to mess with a wick or coil when I rebuild it. I've gone weeks using the same coil with no problems at all. And the vape quality is just outstanding.

If I am on the go, I use a Kanger bottom coil tank. Use the right tool for the job.

I may have beat you to it, but definitely sounds better the way you set it xD

 

[Lord Vaako]

So, that's not with just the zap, if it's a genesis style, that's how they are? Maybe I'm missing out on one or two different ones, but all of them leak like a sub with a screen door if left on their side. And why would you leave it on it's side? It will roll, fall off a surface, or scratch up the nice finish!

Can't say I have any issue with the top coming off, I just topped off the fluid in mine, and it took a wee bit of force to come off. I dried off the o-rings, and inside the top, and it was just as tight as when I took it off.

As far as putting it in your pocket...I wouldn't put any container with liquid in my pocket without putting it in some kind of ziplock bag just to be safe, that's what I did when I used my protank, because of that "what if" feeling.

And as far as if it's not cooperating, as any youtube review of a genesis will state, always have a backup in case your new coil is acting up, always safer that way.

And I'm quite happy with a 4ml ish tank, granted I just filled it, but when I made this post over 2 hours ago, I had filled it about 3/4 of the way, I filled it when it was at half, so that's over a solid 2 hours of vaping. No, I wasn't chain vaping that entire time, as I mentioned, only recently got used to the tilting and figured it out, but still, that is NOT a lot of eliquid for ALOT of vapor and flavor.

And as far as going to sleep with your provari, there are a lot better things to fall asleep with xD On a serious note, I wouldn't recommend that with any tank, what if you roll over on it just the right way, crack the glass, have the button held down and get a short in the battery? These just seem like all bad things that could happen. The provari with the ZAP stands up quite nicely as long as an earthquake doesn't hit, and there's a bottom made by someone whom I can't remember that I'm going to end up getting, that gives a larger baseplate to the device, seems like a winner to me.

You remind of a guy that just bought a new car. Nobody runs around saying anything bad about something they just spent a fortune on right after they bought it. I've never cracked a tank because I buy good tanks, and I've dropped my Provari on pavement and my tile floor before. For the amount of money they charge for a Zap, it should be the perfect device. You shouldn't have to worry about putting it in a bag or in your pocket. Do you really have time to pack a diaper bag for your e-cig all the time? You're never in a rush and always have room to carry a spare around? Not only does it leak but it uses a lot of juice when you use it regularly. I vape all day long and I couldn't go a single day without having to refill my Zap. A 6ml tank on the other hand will last 2 whole days of heavy vaping. All I carry on me is my Provari and that's it. I've got a 18650 high-end battery in it and 6ml's of Poison attached in the tank and that's it. So much easier than dealing with the Zap. I'd much rather spend my $ to vape than fiddle with wicks. Does it taste better coming from the Zap? Yeah, but it's not THAT much better. There's no way it tastes that much better than dealing with the hassles vs. carefree vaping. I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend you or anything. All that matters is that you're happy. I just grew to hate the damn thing after buying two of them based on the hype and the reputation of my Provari. One of them is still sitting unused in the package. They cost a fortune and I spent more time trying to get my next pull as good as the last one than I did actually vaping.

And for the record, vaping in bed rules. It's every ex-smoker's dream to have that luxury. It also helps me fall asleep.

 

[Soully]

You remind of a guy that just bought a new car. Nobody runs around saying anything bad about something they just spent a fortune on right after they bought it. I've never cracked a tank because I buy good tanks, and I've dropped my Provari on pavement and my tile floor before. For the amount of money they charge for a Zap, it should be the perfect device. You shouldn't have to worry about putting it in a bag or in your pocket. Do you really have time to pack a diaper bag for your e-cig all the time? You're never in a rush and always have room to carry a spare around? Not only does it leak but it uses a lot of juice when you use it regularly. I vape all day long and I couldn't go a single day without having to refill my Zap. A 6ml tank on the other hand will last 2 whole days of heavy vaping. All I carry on me is my Provari and that's it. I've got a 18650 high-end battery in it and 6ml's of Poison attached in the tank and that's it. So much easier than dealing with the Zap. I'd much rather spend my $ to vape than fiddle with wicks. Does it taste better coming from the Zap? Yeah, but it's not THAT much better. There's no way it tastes that much better than dealing with the hassles vs. carefree vaping. I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend you or anything. All that matters is that you're happy. I just grew to hate the damn thing after buying two of them based on the hype and the reputation of my Provari. One of them is still sitting unused in the package. They cost a fortune and I spent more time trying to get my next pull as good as the last one than I did actually vaping.

And for the record, vaping in bed rules. It's every ex-smoker's dream to have that luxury. It also helps me fall asleep.

Been chain vaping that full 4ml since my post, I finally see an air bubble xD

If I'm going to take my provari with me, let it be to work, going out, or whereever, I always take the extra 2 minutes to pack it, so yes, I do always have time. Actually, it's more like 30 seconds, I have a ziplock right beside my battery charger meant just for it.

As I mentioned in my review, the price is because of what the people wanted out of it, complained that aluminum is unhealthy (though not so much the case), so Zen went with a steel that was FDA approved, and that would be surgical grade steel, which is inert to the human body, so yes, it costs more.

I vape in bed as well, but I'm sitting up, not laying down, because I'm usually watching tv and don't want a crick in my neck, however, when I start dozing off I set my provari to the side.

As far as "reminds me of a person with a new car", I prefer to take care of my things ^^ Still have my droid bionic from launch, not a single scratch on the screen or ding on the body. I research what I buy, and I prefer a quality made product with quality materials. I looked up the car I bought, a mercury sable from 2002 to be precise, and it still runs quite nicely. The only thing wrong with it is the outside is dirty (because I'm from where it rains all the time, and moving to california...it really doesn't rain all the time xD ). The inside is quite clean, and I make sure it's properly maintained, as anyone should do with anything they pay a good amount for.


And again, ALL GENESIS STYLES have the same problems, it's the nature of the beast, saying the ZAP is bad because it doesn't let you vape upside down and it leaks when you try to is saying all genesis style do that, and saying "I paid x amount for it, it better do this!" is what the average customer coming into best buy does, if you want a specific feature you pay a specific price, sure you can get knock offs at a lower cost, but usually they aren't backed as well by their manufacturer, and not built out of the same quality materials.

And so ends my soap box xD Again, this was just my review, my opinion on it, you don't have to like it, but blaming it for something that is a design trait of the style of build and saying the one device is bad isn't really an honest look at it, is it?

 

[Lord Vaako]

The ZAP (or any Genesis, IMHO) is not good for carrying around. This is a sit on the couch or in front of the computer vaping machine. Yes, you have to keep them upright; this is obvious given the design. This is, however, easily done by using a simple wooden block with an appropriately sized hole drilled into it. I only have to mess with a wick or coil when I rebuild it. I've gone weeks using the same coil with no problems at all. And the vape quality is just outstanding.

If I am on the go, I use a Kanger bottom coil tank. Use the right tool for the job.

I do use the right tool for the job. It's a single tool that fits literally every job so I don't look like a tool with his pockets exploding. I'm not going to even go there with the Kanger. Everyone has their own preference at the end of the day. I didn't mind not liking the Kanger because it was cheap to buy and try. I was thinking about using the Zap just when I'm sitting on the couch, but when I get up to go somehwere, it will end up in my pocket. I really don't want to have to go get a different tank to vape on the couch if the possibility exists that I might have to run out to the store. Getting good vapor, flavor and utility doesn't really have to be that complicated.

 

[Thrasher]

pff i take my genis everywhere. comparing a protank to a zap? lol really?. all genis arent all made the same some need a pair of vice grips to get the caps off lol and i personally dont like the zap but no clearo will ever match a genesis vape.

as for leaking yea it will, some are worse then others, i can lay my cobra on the table or car seat for a good 5-7 minutes before it starts, plenty of time to do something quickly, l it doesnt mean it's a bad device just that a little more attention has to paid when handling it. In vaping sometimes you have to make a tradeoff for ease Vs quality vaping.
try a dripper, it will leak the very second you tilt it wrong but the vape is superior. just part of the game, if you dont like the features of a device it doesnt make it a bad device it just isnt for you.

 

[Lord Vaako]

Been chain vaping that full 4ml since my post, I finally see an air bubble xD

If I'm going to take my provari with me, let it be to work, going out, or whereever, I always take the extra 2 minutes to pack it, so yes, I do always have time. Actually, it's more like 30 seconds, I have a ziplock right beside my battery charger meant just for it.

As I mentioned in my review, the price is because of what the people wanted out of it, complained that aluminum is unhealthy (though not so much the case), so Zen went with a steel that was FDA approved, and that would be surgical grade steel, which is inert to the human body, so yes, it costs more.

I vape in bed as well, but I'm sitting up, not laying down, because I'm usually watching tv and don't want a crick in my neck, however, when I start dozing off I set my provari to the side.

As far as "reminds me of a person with a new car", I prefer to take care of my things ^^ Still have my droid bionic from launch, not a single scratch on the screen or ding on the body. I research what I buy, and I prefer a quality made product with quality materials. I looked up the car I bought, a mercury sable from 2002 to be precise, and it still runs quite nicely. The only thing wrong with it is the outside is dirty (because I'm from where it rains all the time, and moving to california...it really doesn't rain all the time xD ). The inside is quite clean, and I make sure it's properly maintained, as anyone should do with anything they pay a good amount for.


And again, ALL GENESIS STYLES have the same problems, it's the nature of the beast, saying the ZAP is bad because it doesn't let you vape upside down and it leaks when you try to is saying all genesis style do that, and saying "I paid x amount for it, it better do this!" is what the average customer coming into best buy does, if you want a specific feature you pay a specific price, sure you can get knock offs at a lower cost, but usually they aren't backed as well by their manufacturer, and not built out of the same quality materials.

And so ends my soap box xD Again, this was just my review, my opinion on it, you don't have to like it, but blaming it for something that is a design trait of the style of build and saying the one device is bad isn't really an honest look at it, is it?

LMAO...I just dropped my Provari when you told us about your quality 2002 Mercury Sable. And guess what? It still works and still doesn't have a scratch on it, and I didn't have to practice my fly tying skills to get it to work again. You assume that I don't take care of or maintain my things and relegate me to an average "best buy" customer, but you don't know me from a whole in the wall. I also could care less that all genesis styles have problems. That's like justifying buy $100k lemon of a car, that's made out of the finest materials, but can only be driven when the temperature is precisely 76.4F, the wind is not blowing over 2.3 MPH from NE, and a democrat is in office. I can't wait till that night comes when you doze off before you have a chance to "put your Provari to the side" and wake up with juice all over your sheets. I don't know what "knock offs" you're talking about either. The only knock off I see here is one of a Taurus.

 

[sachavaca]

I dont own a zap , but my zenesis mini gets very little use cause I sit at computer very little. Now my sdog goes everywhere and in my pocket all day at work. Not all gennies are the same.

 

[Lord Vaako]

pff i take my genis everywhere. comparing a protank to a zap? lol really?. all genis arent all made the same some need a pair of vice grips to get the caps off lol and i personally dont like the zap but no clearo will ever match a genesis vape.

as for leaking yea it will, some are worse then others, i can lay my cobra on the table or car seat for a good 5-7 minutes before it starts, plenty of time to do something quickly, l it doesnt mean it's a bad device just that a little more attention has to paid when handling it. In vaping sometimes you have to make a tradeoff for ease Vs quality vaping.
try a dripper, it will leak the very second you tilt it wrong but the vape is superior. just part of the game, if you dont like the features of a device it doesnt make it a bad device it just isnt for you.

Buddy, that's what I said. The Zap does taste better and makes more vapor, and that everyone has their own preference. My preference is that it's not worth the hassle, especially for the price. I'll take a Pro Tank over a Zap any day. I'll spend more time vaping than fiddling around. Zero issues, durable, and great vapor. Plenty of uptime and no worries. That sounds like a win to me. As long as you keep a fresh dual coil in there every 5 days, you're all set for a fraction of the cost. Smoking was never such a hassle so why should vaping be? You fan boys make it sound like it's something from a mall kiosk. The Zap is not 10x's better, but it costs 10x's more. If I'm going to deal with all that, I'll go with an atomizer and a drip shield. Are you going to tell me that a Zap is 10x's better than that too? Gimme a break.

 

[III BIRDMAN III]

Just my $0.02

Loved my Zap!!!
In today's vape mail. Kayfun 3.1

OMG!!! Heaven has arrived.
Flavor +10
TH +10
Vaper +10
Setup ...Whoah that was easy

Does it get any better?
If it does I can't imagine how that would be. ;D

Pick one up.
Highly recommend

 

[lauderdog]

Hey I got mine today too! What voltage have you settled in at? When you take the cap off, tilt, and fire, do you get any glowing coils? It set burns very evenly and the coils look great but I'm not getting "massive" vapor at 3.9-4 with 1.9 resistance measured on the device. But the juice sure does taste great and I LOVE that it is virtually silent. No one seems to mention that much with the genesis style attys. happy vaping!

M

 

[lauderdog]

I didn't mean "set" burns...it autocorrected "dry" burns. Dry burn looks good is what I meant.