I've got a mod

[Zofryer]

I'm holding off, but it's logic straight and simple.

* The best atty for a mod is the 801 for it is industrial and resilient and holds much juice.
* The best battery is well, I'm very surprised nobody had played with the camera and cellphone batteries at their disposal.
* The best design is: unquestionably, side-by-side. Serious. If you aren't copying the Janty Stick philosophy, you are already doing things wrong.
* Auto-feeding of juice. <-- this. That's the killer.

I'm blowing up things and working on a design where you plug a 6ml glass bottle into a contraption that contains a be112 atty and a Canon np-60 battery. It has been proven repeatedly that you WILL KILL atomizers if you push high voltage. I'm sorry. Thats' reality. So rather than concentrate on destroying atomizers, I'm sticking with less than 4 volts and working on the most compact be112 atty nicotine delivery system possible.


I won't sell it. I will however supply full details on how it works once I've perfected it. I already have a working model with serious quirks. Give me time.

 

[kinabaloo]

I'm holding off, but it's logic straight and simple.

* The best atty for a mod is the 801 for it is industrial and resilient and holds much juice.
* The best battery is well, I'm very surprised nobody had played with the camera and cellphone batteries at their disposal.
* The best design is: unquestionably, side-by-side. Serious. If you aren't copying the Janty Stick philosophy, you are already doing things wrong.
* Auto-feeding of juice. <-- this. That's the killer.

I'm blowing up things and working on a design where you plug a 6ml glass bottle into a contraption that contains a be112 atty and a Canon np-60 battery. It has been proven repeatedly that you WILL KILL atomizers if you push high voltage. I'm sorry. Thats' reality. So rather than concentrate on destroying atomizers, I'm sticking with less than 4 volts and working on the most compact be112 atty nicotine delivery system possible.


I won't sell it. I will however supply full details on how it works once I've perfected it. I already have a working model with serious quirks. Give me time.

Absolutely agree, The juice feed is the key.

 

[Zofryer]

I've had a setback. My squirt-gun-like feed system leaked all over everything and killed the battery and I think the atty. I'm thinking maybe auto-feed might be beyond my skills, and I might do a semi-auto feed type thing where you have push-pump-button to top off your cart. I'll take pictures once my camera batteries get here since I just killed my last one. The big thing is my design replaces the mouthpiece/cart with my connector. Screw in atty, flip down mouthpiece/juicefeed. I'm going to see if I can come up with something spring loaded so you don't even have to screw the atty in. just push/pop it into place. I'm working with femo and metal right now, but once I have a reliable working demo, I'm going to look into making injection molds. I'm also thinking about revisiting the entire idea of "automatic" operation. It's crazy to me how bad automatic batteries suck, or at least the ones I've used. It shouldn't be that hard to come up with something that works properly. The crappy thing is, how big everything is getting. I have a deeper appreciation for other designs now. I'm probably going to ditch the camera battery idea since the resulting device is shaped weirdly. That, and the batteries aren't exactly cheap.

 

[gotthelife4u]

very excited to see how it comes out, good luck

 

[CanyonRunner]

I have been experimenting with an auto juicer too. The problem is getting the right amount of juice, (sounds like you were getting too much). When you think about it, one drop of juice will give you 5 or 6 puffs or more (just try dripping), so if by auto feeding you mean supplying the atty with some juice every time you take a puff, (or energize the atty) it is going to have to be a very small amount of juice (less than the smallest drop you can form without atomizing). If you are trying to do this mechanically, you are probably going to have to build your own pump. Even the smallest atomizer type pump will put out way too much juice. Then too, there are all the different viscosities of juice to deal with. It's tough to do, I'm sure the manufacturers toyed with this too, before deciding the cartridges were the way to go.

Sooooo kinabaloo....where's that piezo? How's that commin??

 

[kinabaloo]

I have been experimenting with an auto juicer too. The problem is getting the right amount of juice, (sounds like you were getting too much). When you think about it, one drop of juice will give you 5 or 6 puffs or more (just try dripping), so if by auto feeding you mean supplying the atty with some juice every time you take a puff, (or energize the atty) it is going to have to be a very small amount of juice (less than the smallest drop you can form without atomizing). If you are trying to do this mechanically, you are probably going to have to build your own pump. Even the smallest atomizer type pump will put out way too much juice. Then too, there are all the different viscosities of juice to deal with. It's tough to do, I'm sure the manufacturers toyed with this too, before deciding the cartridges were the way to go.

Sooooo kinabaloo....where's that piezo? How's that commin??

You are right - only a piezo can deal with the two issues you correctly identified: tiny amount, and controllable, in terms of volume (can activate as hetaer coil is activated).

have been working on touch switches and temperature control. This will be next ...

With these three in place, I can crush all competition
Especially as my device will have sealed juice; so all the competotor products will likely be banned anyway.

Zofryer - don't be discouraged, it is a very tricky problem, especially to be automatic.

ps: the last point about amanufarers choices: see mogur's post on a PCB; these choices are made on grounds of cost above all. But sometimes low-cost, low quality does not win in the longer term ...

Manufacturers like to create an aura of quality, but it is more marketing than real.

 

[MoonMan]

Autofeeding the juice is just adding unecessary headaches to the design, not to mention multiple points of failure.

Just use a manual pump (like mine) - pressing a button every 10 puffs or so isn't that big of a deal. It's simple, efficient, easy to refill, and problem-free.

 

[kinabaloo]

Autofeeding the juice is just adding unecessary headaches to the design, not to mention multiple points of failure.

Just use a manual pump (like mine) - pressing a button every 10 puffs or so isn't that big of a deal. It's simple, efficient, easy to refill, and problem-free.

i know it's an improvement cause i've done it.

but getting the juice straight to the coil without any wicking is the goal ...

 

[MoonMan]

i know it's an improvement cause i've done it.

I think "improvement" is opinion here - as long as juice is getting into the coil, it really doesn't matter HOW it gets there, it comes down to a matter of how convienient one wants that process to be.

I just like to keep things simple and easy to diagnose. Adding more parts, PCB boards, touch switches, electric pumps, etc. is a recipe for a troubleshooting (and pricing) nightmare IMO - too much that could go wrong.

Although really, the same could be said for adding a manual pump and not just topping off like most people do. It's all about convienience vs. complexity vs. what the average user wants to deal with - not that I wouldn't love a completely automatic $50 ecig that has all the bells and whistles and is foolproof/simple to fix.

 

[jangler]

I've done the same juice delivery as moonman with one minor differece. I removed the wicking material and positioned the tube in the cart to face down toward the wicking bridge of the atty. The tube is then wrapped with a stainless screen to keep it in place, another juice delivery I made I wrapped with foam mesh from a dead atty. So when I pump I essentially am dripping. This is working well for me and have been using it for about 3 weeks now. The tube I use is very flexible and strong enough, does not melt since it's just above the wicking bridge. No leaks so far and it delivers just the right amout of juice without flooding.

Thanks for the ideas moonman, I have a perfect juice delivery system without the need to top off, no burning cart material. Just clean juice vapor.

 

[MoonMan]

I've done the same juice delivery as moonman with one minor differece. I removed the wicking material and positioned the tube in the cart to face down toward the wicking bridge of the atty. The tube is then wrapped with a stainless screen to keep it in place, another juice delivery I made I wrapped with foam mesh from a dead atty. So when I pump I essentially am dripping. This is working well for me and have been using it for about 3 weeks now. The tube I use is very flexible and strong enough, does not melt since it's just above the wicking bridge. No leaks so far and it delivers just the right amout of juice without flooding.

Thanks for the ideas moonman, I have a perfect juice delivery system without the need to top off, no burning cart material. Just clean juice vapor.

You are welcome, sir - and nice improvement on the idea! I may have to follow suit, that sounds like the perfect way to get rid of the nasty polyfill entirely.

 

[jangler]

Your welcome moonman... And err ahmmmmm, it's ma'am... Common mistake as my sig name does not give any hint on gender.

 

[kinabaloo]

I mean, yes this is a solution; but I really want to find something that's more elegant (hopefully automatic).

 

[Zofryer]

Here's what I'm thinking:

Make each puff "transaction based". I can remember this little circuit in one of those 1in60 spring board electronics kits when I was a kid that could tell if you were touching two bare wires or not. I *think* the intended purpose was a high water sensor. My design has a central mouthpiece because I'm replacing the cart/mouthpiece with my spark-plug cover looking connector that has a tube for air, and my juice pusher. My idea was, bring back the concept of the automatic hit by putting two small conductors, one on the top, one on the bottom of the mouthpiece for the impedance sensor so your lips would actually turn the battery on. Have that put the tiniest amount of liquid onto the atty. Enough for one "transaction". Use an atomizer forgiving to flooding like a be112 for example, and provide a way for the atomizer to "unflood" itself on it's own easier, maybe even coming up with a circular system where excess juice would get sent back to it's reservoir. I've kinda painted myself into a corner. My big goals are the auto-juice, which I had somehow convinced myself I had nailed, and utilizing an MCP73855 to set up USB charging. I'd also like to keep the replaceable parts bone stock. So you don't have to say, drill a hole in a be112 to use it.