Janci Lindsay Posting a Comment on the need for further testing to validate the Safety of E-Juice

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I meant to do this months ago, years ago really when my evaluation of the FDA's Technical report on the safety of e-cigarettes was first used without my consent as some kind of propoganda/advertising and touted as a health risk evaluation to validate the safety of e-juice and e-cigarettes. First let me say that it was not such nor ever meant to be used in such a manner. In fact it was legally never supposed to be used in that manner. Never the less it was used as such. While I found a lot of faults with the scientific methods and conslusions reached by the FDA concerning the specifics of what the report was addressing, my evaluation in no way was meant to imply that overall e-cigs are safe. Why? The testing has not been done to prove they are safe. At the time I consulted for the industry I advised that they carry out the same tests that the traditional cigarette industry did when formulating their products and mixtures, which was to do toxicity studies in animal models. I advised using the various e-juices both in mixtures and flavorants on their own (single flavorants) in the carrier media. Until this is done and the studies come back showing that these products are safe there is much to be concerned about regarding the saftey of many of the approved GRAS flavorants which are approved for ingestion but may not be approved for inhalation. Case in point; are many cases of flavorant-induced lung diseases showing up in factory workers who have worked with and inhaled flavorants that have been used and are used in e-cigs.

I do believe that these toxicity studies will be done and will be demanded by either consumers or regulatory agencies. I hope that they are being done but have not seen such published of late. Of course I may be wrong so please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I just wanted to post this and hope that it does reach consumers who may have felt that my technical evaluation was a safety endorsement for these products so that consumers could take a logical and educated approach to their consumption fo these products. I do feel that there is a great place for e-cigs as an alternative to traditonal smoking but let's make sure we are not doing more harm than good first and thoroughly investigate the safety of these products in animals before we use ourselves as the proverbial guinnea pigs.
 

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Question, did the tests that the original cigarette companies performed show the myriad of life threatening diseases they are known to cause?

I'm just curious as a test that sounds like what is recommended here was done recently and showed significant live cell destruction when tobacco cigarette smoke was introduced to the sample, while the electronic cigarette showed very little if any. How exactly are long term effects supposed to be determined if the same tests that approved traditional cigarettes are used again to validate vaporizers?
 

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rofl I happened to scroll down to the references and saw this

"Wu, J., Joza, P., Sharifi, M., Rickett, W. Lauterbach, J. 2008. Quantitative Method for the
Analysis of Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines in Cigarette Tobacco and Mainstream Cigarette
Smoke by Use of Isotope Dilution Liquid Chromatography Tandem Mass Spectrometry. .....
Chem., 80:1341-1345."

is the analysis ....
or the cigarette smoke ingested anally
or what

Please inform me Janci Lindsay.
 

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    rofl I happened to scroll down to the references and saw this

    "Wu, J., Joza, P., Sharifi, M., Rickett, W. Lauterbach, J. 2008. Quantitative Method for the
    Analysis of Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines in Cigarette Tobacco and Mainstream Cigarette
    Smoke by Use of Isotope Dilution Liquid Chromatography Tandem Mass Spectrometry. .....
    Chem., 80:1341-1345."

    is the analysis ....
    or the cigarette smoke ingested anally
    or what

    Please inform me Janci Lindsay.

    That's how they get the rats to vape! :ohmy:
     

    The Ocelot

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    Okay, I understand your frustration at your study being used without your permission and can appreciate that you feel your findings have been misrepresented, but the last sentence bothers me a great deal - a VERY great deal.

    ...I do feel that there is a great place for e-cigs as an alternative to traditonal smoking but let's make sure we are not doing more harm than good first and thoroughly investigate the safety of these products in animals before we use ourselves as the proverbial guinnea pigs.

    It appears you are suggesting the use of e-cigs should be discontinued until further testing? I started smoking when I was 13 and smoked for the next 40 years. Solely by using e-cigarettes I have been tobacco-free for over 6 months. Not nicotine free, but not smoking cigarettes, which I dare you to to claim are less harmful than e-cigs.

    Were you ever a smoker? Do you have any idea what it's like to be addicted to something you know is threatening your health everyday and have to way to stop? And to be confronted constantly with reminders of how much harm you are doing to yourself? To be marginalized for what should be a health issue yet has turned into a moral one? I am part of a minority that it is acceptable, even encouraged to treat with disrespect and distain. No one is claiming e-cigs are 100% safe, we have no way of knowing that, but we do know how toxic cigarette smoking is. I am furious that your findings might again be misconstrued, this time as proof e-cigs are harmful - which you didn't find conclusive evidence of either.

    It sounds like you want e-cigs to be banned until more studies on animals are done. Who is going to pay for a study of what happens to guinea pigs if they vape? What about all of the other toxic substances we are exposed to not by choice - I'm am so ...... right now I can't even finish typing what I have to say.
     
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    rofl I happened to scroll down to the references and saw this

    "Wu, J., Joza, P., Sharifi, M., Rickett, W. Lauterbach, J. 2008. Quantitative Method for the
    Analysis of Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines in Cigarette Tobacco and Mainstream Cigarette
    Smoke by Use of Isotope Dilution Liquid Chromatography Tandem Mass Spectrometry. .....
    Chem., 80:1341-1345."

    is the analysis ....
    or the cigarette smoke ingested anally
    or what

    Please inform me Janci Lindsay.

    Vegetable glycerin is used as an enema you know....
     
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