join together and stop the the over priced under performing mall shops

[tikko]

i think that we need to get together with some vendors and fight the mall sellers get some reps out there with are own vendor products standing right next to them doing a true love 1 week free test in each state and recording it i feel this will help agenst the fda giving proof that this is the real deal maybe even going as far as trying to only suport lab produced e-juice and usa only pv's i think we need to make this next step also having suporting vendors change there 18 or older to having to enter your actual date of birth like you see on smoking sites and liquor sites. also i think we should actually get a guage on how many people are actually out there who do vape we might actually have enought people to fight these laws by % dont forget the people have the right to shut down any law in the usa as do we to make them
lets get active people mke a difference
i will be at the ct vape meet my names daniel slaski and i suport this mesage ;P

 

[foggy1]

You are going to have a problem with PV's produced in the USA..
...unless you know of someone here making atty's

We can make our own boxes w/batts and some way to feed them, but
we need atomizers, many can't make their own; me included

And while mall shops do sell some high priced crap,
they are helping to convert some to vaping, then they learn about ECF, we hope

Even the 7-11 stores selling the disposables gives an alternative to burning tobacco

We will lose some becuase they'll be turned off intially, so we need to let them know that there are good low priced units availible, even one's made in china.

Pass out ECF cards and smile

 

[tikko]

i mean it cant be that hard to make atty's even if they start off more costing more to make we will also be providing jobs for the us which we need im not saying at this point in time go all usa but we need to head to it. and for the malls we need to stomp them out 300% to 400% prof is crazy i actually sat and watched them and a good 90% stoped talked heard the prices then .... them selfs and ran away to me thats not promotion idk it just seems like there needs more to be done and the only ones out there are the over prices aholes im about to start making some boxs mods and under cuting the local malls for the price to make!

 

[Luvs5rugrats]

I won't say I agree with the practices that some of these people use at the malls to sell their stuff, I also won't say they should stop. You can't protect people from themselves! I bought a mall kiosk kit and if I had been patient and just came home and did my research, I would have saved some money. It's nobody's fault but my own.

I don't have qualms about what they are charging, I have serious issues with how they are selling them: carts=1-2 packs, batteries lasting 24 hours...those lies. If the woman at the mall had just been honest with what the performance truly was, I would not have bought them unless they were half the price. So it's not the products being sold, it's the lies they're using because of greed. Now, if she had been honest and the price was lower, she would have a customer for life, probably. I can't believe they get too many repeat customers. I went back once for an atomizer and about choked when she asked for $20 + tax.

 

[rothenbj]

I won't say I agree with the practices that some of these people use at the malls to sell their stuff, I also won't say they should stop. You can't protect people from themselves! I bought a mall kiosk kit and if I had been patient and just came home and did my research, I would have saved some money. It's nobody's fault but my own.

I don't have qualms about what they are charging, I have serious issues with how they are selling them: carts=1-2 packs, batteries lasting 24 hours...those lies. If the woman at the mall had just been honest with what the performance truly was, I would not have bought them unless they were half the price. So it's not the products being sold, it's the lies they're using because of greed. Now, if she had been honest and the price was lower, she would have a customer for life, probably. I can't believe they get too many repeat customers. I went back once for an atomizer and about choked when she asked for $20 + tax.

The operative expression in your post is "You can't protect people from themselves!". It's a shame that many people try them and become disillusioned. I could have been one of those people, but I didn't buy at the mall, I ordered on line. Was it a bad purchase, yes. Was I sorry that I didn't find ECF before my bad decision, yes. However, this is the case with every product marketed. Some are good, some are bad. Slick adverts and sales pitches produce sales.

If it weren't for those kiosks, many wouldn't have found el cigs. Some will be happy with what they purchased, most not if the kiosk is run by less than honorable individuals. You need to understand, even if they are selling an adequate product, it is going to cost considerably more just to cover rental charges, employee costs, etc.

Believe it or not, many people don't use computers or the internet. They have no idea that there is something else out there. I had a very elderly lady start asking me questions about them while playing Texas Holdem this past week. I'm sure she doesn't use the internet and I didn't get a chance to speak to her afterwards since I got eliminated fairly early. I've got plenty of equipment here that I can set her up with if that's what she's looking for and if she doesn't have the ability to purchase it on line.

Sooner or later, there will be a lot more options available in brick and mortar shops and people are going to have to discover, one way or other, what is satisfactory for their needs. We really can't be eating our own.

 

[suddenly]

Why can't anyone in the US make an atty yet?

 

[GregH]

Why can't anyone in the US make an atty yet?

I read one vendor say that it can be done. The problem is that it's not cost effective. Chinese factories pump atomizers out by the thousands. Individual U.S. vendors can't do that kind of volume. So the price would go up tremendously.

Regarding the overpriced mall kiosks: If it weren't for one of those, I most likely would not be vaping today.

 

[tchp12]

Well this is a good idea. It may work if we try together. Go ahead for experiment and please write your experience. I am waiting for that.

 

[Travis798]

Mall shops have actually been good for exposure, and far as pricing, I haven't priced one of those kiosks but I'm willing to bet they are going to have to charge a pretty good markup just to cover their operating expenses.

 

[crashinbrn]

Mall shops have actually been good for exposure, and far as pricing, I haven't priced one of those kiosks but I'm willing to bet they are going to have to charge a pretty good markup just to cover their operating expenses.

i agree, the overhead in opening a real store can't be cheap. yes they are overpriced, but the owner should be allowed to make money too. i am not going to fault them for that.
that said i do wish they would sell a 510 or even kr808's, and NOT the 'blu-type' i had. when i started i thought they were the only one. then i found the ECF, and the rest is history.

 

[t9c]

I also agree they have produced a lot of exposure, and just like Limbaugh, whether you agree with their policies, marketing or prices doesn't hold a candle to exposure.

At least ONE good thing about their exorbitant prices, ok TWO:
1. ADULTS who buy them will probably be seen by another vapor who bought a cheaper more effective PV and juice and will tell them where they can buy better/cheaper PV's. Maybe they will have been to ECF and will pass along the URL or biz card as I do. Even folks who like to overpay for their purchases will be curious enough to purchase a better PV.

2. Their exorbitant prices keep the smoking teens from buying them. Teens don't have the concepts of saving money by buying a large purchase, even though a PV will last them far longer than a pack of smokes. $5-10 every few days is within their "budget", so to speak. If they work, most of their hard earned cash goes to car pymts, gas and insurance. What little is left goes to food, drink and maybe cigs. If they don't work, they're on their parents dole, and if my kid (grown now) was to ever ask me for $150 to buy whatever, you can rest assured, I would be the purchaser, not him.

 

[dk2]

I love mall kiosks they promote and they educate. This battle of ecigs needs every opportunity of open publicity they can get which includes mall kiosks, let them do their part. I started on Njoy I'm thankful I tried an ecig through them. While the cost is overpriced the in the face publicity is wonderful.

 

[pkj]

Standing beside a mall kiosk that is selling e-cigs while promoting another vendors products, is asking for trouble.

I don't know of many vendors that would approve of this behavior. The kiosk pays a fee to be in the mall. If you stand in that mall giving out samples and talking to people about e-cigs, you will be talking with mall security or the police.

If you want to promote a vendor, go rent a kiosk and promote the vendor. Talk to your preferred vendor and see if you can get something worked out with a mall. There is nothing wrong in providing competition to the mall kiosks selling e-cigs. However, there is a right and wrong way when it comes to providing that competition.

This is my opinion.
PKJ

You Wrote: i think that we need to get together with some vendors and fight the mall sellers get some reps out there with are own vendor products standing right next to them doing a true love 1 week free test in each state and recording it