Joker AV or Provari

[Stownz]

If you had an emphasis on performance wv2win, you wouldn't choose a unit you can't easily drip with. We all drip, and its hard too NEVER flood an atty a little. Darwin: you flood it, it goes down the arm and into the unit. Thats fail, not performance. Everyone drips, and no one is perfect at it. Why units are even made without a catch cup of some sort I still don't understand.

Anyone ever drop their PV and break a plastic drip tip off? Know what happens when you drop a Darwin when the arm is up? Same thing. You also have the added bonus of breaking and LCD screen if your not careful. We have all beaten up PVs on accident, even when trying to be careful. We sit on them, then get dropped, we hit them with stuff we are carrying while they are in our pocket, we get juice all over them on accident as well. An exposed LCD was an incredible lack of reality. Who wants to carry something around that fragile? I sure don't.

Definition of Performance should include things like that.

Doubt the 2 year waranty covers juice that leaked out down an arm into circuitry, or a busted LCD screen.

Stainless steel Tube you could chunk into a brick wall, now thats performance. You will break the brick, but you won't break the provari. Sit on it, step on it, slam whatever you want into it. Squeeze a bottle too hard and squirt ejuice all over the unit, nothing gets through it.

Then you have the added benefit of having to buy the unit through a reseller, instead of the manufacturer. Provape has perfect customer service, something not said about a lot of the vendors out there.

Oh snap! Now we can get a chrome one. Order placed and my pretty little GGTS is going up for sale 8)

Beauty AND Performance for a cheaper price from a better company.

 

[Stownz]

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[slumdog]

Many of us just don't put much weight on "looks" and instead put more emphasis on performance and ease of use. I like that the Darwin senses the atty and adjusts the power level automatically. At the Atl Vape Fest I didn't like how many times you had to push the button on the ProVari to work through the menu options. With the Darwin you just set it and forget it and it does all the work. And it actually fits quite nicely in your hand. I also like the 2 year warranty which is significantly more than any other PV. But as you said, it's all subjective and if looks is your most important criteria, then you probably made the right choice for yourself.

well it is only 24 dollars and some change to put another year onto the provari it is not plastic with a plastic arm that can break off if dropped, sure i might break an atty if i drop my provari but i pull out another atty and I'm ready to go , that arm gets snapped your done, and now when my batt dies I'm plugged to something for an hour or two, no thanks you can keep that mess i don't have enough time in my day to sit still while my pv charges,,,overnite you say, OK so what about when the batt reaches the end of its charge life, oh ill have another pv by then, you may but i spent 250.00 for a reason i gots something to vape for two years and don't have to spend a penny and am still ahead at this point so keep the Darwin for the desk jockeys, i want something that screams "abuse me i love it" and thats the provari

 

[crackbag]

If you had an emphasis on performance wv2win, you wouldn't choose a unit you can't easily drip with. We all drip, and its hard too NEVER flood an atty a little. Darwin: you flood it, it goes down the arm and into the unit. Thats fail, not performance. Everyone drips, and no one is perfect at it. Why units are even made without a catch cup of some sort I still don't understand.

Anyone ever drop their PV and break a plastic drip tip off? Know what happens when you drop a Darwin when the arm is up? Same thing. You also have the added bonus of breaking and LCD screen if your not careful. We have all beaten up PVs on accident, even when trying to be careful. We sit on them, then get dropped, we hit them with stuff we are carrying while they are in our pocket, we get juice all over them on accident as well. An exposed LCD was an incredible lack of reality. Who wants to carry something around that fragile? I sure don't.

Definition of Performance should include things like that.

Doubt the 2 year waranty covers juice that leaked out down an arm into circuitry, or a busted LCD screen.

Stainless steel Tube you could chunk into a brick wall, now thats performance. You will break the brick, but you won't break the provari. Sit on it, step on it, slam whatever you want into it. Squeeze a bottle too hard and squirt ejuice all over the unit, nothing gets through it.

Then you have the added benefit of having to buy the unit through a reseller, instead of the manufacturer. Provape has perfect customer service, something not said about a lot of the vendors out there.

Oh snap! Now we can get a chrome one. Order placed and my pretty little GGTS is going up for sale 8)

Beauty AND Performance for a cheaper price from a better company.

very well said

 

[wv2win]

If you had an emphasis on performance wv2win, you wouldn't choose a unit you can't easily drip with. We all drip, and its hard too NEVER flood an atty a little. Darwin: you flood it, it goes down the arm and into the unit. Thats fail, not performance. Everyone drips, and no one is perfect at it. Why units are even made without a catch cup of some sort I still don't understand.

Anyone ever drop their PV and break a plastic drip tip off? Know what happens when you drop a Darwin when the arm is up? Same thing. You also have the added bonus of breaking and LCD screen if your not careful. We have all beaten up PVs on accident, even when trying to be careful. We sit on them, then get dropped, we hit them with stuff we are carrying while they are in our pocket, we get juice all over them on accident as well. An exposed LCD was an incredible lack of reality. Who wants to carry something around that fragile? I sure don't.

Definition of Performance should include things like that.

Doubt the 2 year waranty covers juice that leaked out down an arm into circuitry, or a busted LCD screen.

Stainless steel Tube you could chunk into a brick wall, now thats performance. You will break the brick, but you won't break the provari. Sit on it, step on it, slam whatever you want into it. Squeeze a bottle too hard and squirt ejuice all over the unit, nothing gets through it.

Then you have the added benefit of having to buy the unit through a reseller, instead of the manufacturer. Provape has perfect customer service, something not said about a lot of the vendors out there.

Oh snap! Now we can get a chrome one. Order placed and my pretty little GGTS is going up for sale 8)

Beauty AND Performance for a cheaper price from a better company.

Did the developers of the Darwin insult your sister or something?? I see your posts all over the forum trashing the Darwin at every opportunity. Something does not appear "kosher" with your constant trashing of a very well recieved new VV PV.

You either have never held or used a Darwin or you are not being "accurate" to put it politely. I've held both the ProVari and the Darwin. Both are equally "solid" in their construstion. In fact, we were kidding at the Vape Fest that the Darwin could easily be used for personal protection due to it's strong exterior.

Your point about dripping is off the mark on so many levels. First not everyone drips even though you stated that everyone does which says something about you. Second, I do happen to drip and I virtually never flood an atty. But being a "newb" like yourself, I guess you think everyone does it as poorly as you do. Keep practicing, some day you may get the hang of it. Thirdly, the developers of the Darwin intentionally, in their testing, poured eliquid into the unit to see what effect it would have. The device has a self protection element that shuts off and then restarts after any fluid has dried up. And in the off chance that would cause a problem with the unit, it is covered by the warranty.

Both the possible malfuntions you described are covered by the warranty. Your telling people on this forum that they are not covered is basically dishonest.

When you factor in the cost of charger, batteries, extender cap and extended warranty to bring the ProVari up to the Darwin's level, I believe the ProVari is $25+ more expensive than the Darwin. So, once again, you are not being accurate.

I have never "trashed" or mislead anyone about the ProVari as you do the Darwin. I think and have stated that the ProVari is one of the two top PV's on the market.

Your "trashing" and disinformation about the Darwin speaks volumes about your credibility.

 

[wv2win]

well it is only 24 dollars and some change to put another year onto the provari it is not plastic with a plastic arm that can break off if dropped, sure i might break an atty if i drop my provari but i pull out another atty and I'm ready to go , that arm gets snapped your done, and now when my batt dies I'm plugged to something for an hour or two, no thanks you can keep that mess i don't have enough time in my day to sit still while my pv charges,,,overnite you say, OK so what about when the batt reaches the end of its charge life, oh ill have another pv by then, you may but i spent 250.00 for a reason i gots something to vape for two years and don't have to spend a penny and am still ahead at this point so keep the Darwin for the desk jockeys, i want something that screams "abuse me i love it" and thats the provari

Do you spread completely inaccruate and false information intentionally or just out of sheer ignorance??

The Darwin is anodized (sp) aluminum with a brass connector arm. So tell me again which part of the Darwin is "plastic"?? Tell me, how did you hold the Darwin and vape on it and somehow decide that the material in your hand was plastic?

Maybe you should get your facts straight before you post. It doesn't shine a positive light on your creditability.

 

[Stownz]

When your talking about a PV that costs over $200, people deserve to know ALL the facts. That means from every possible source. You can take it as a personal, and get your feelings all hurt, or you can enjoy the debate. There are pro's and con's to every unit made out there. People learn from the open discusions, not from reviews were important shortcomings are left out.

Juice doesn't "dry up", it leave a sticky residue behind. You get juice in the arm of the Darwin, you have a bad situation. Simple as that.

I was not aware that you could bust the LCD screen on a Darwin and they would give you a new one. I retract my statement about an exposed LCD screen being a shortcoming in relation to the durability of said unit. That is an amazing company in deed that would stand behind something like that.

In terms of "credibility", I am no expert, neither are you. We have opinions, and we point people to ask questions and make informed decisions. Just another couple of random people posting on the forums. I would prefer that to the "unpaid" reviews I have subjected myself too over the years.