Joyetech vs Ovale

[EricDykstra]

I am wondering if anyone has owned both an Eroll from joyetech and a Ovale eMini. The same for atomizers joyetech vs Ovale.

I know that joyetech makes the products for Ovale, but is there a difference? My thought is maybe the products that do not meet Ovale specs are sold as Joyetech. Or are they exactly the same thing?

 

[ChadGio]

All the same

 

[J_Gundy]

They seem identical. I got an emini from them along with some LR atomizers and some tanks.

That said, some really bad leaking issues I had with my original eRoll kit seem to have gone away now that I'm using the Ovale tanks. I may not buy tanks from any other vendors now (I was beyond frustrated having to carry my eRolls in zip lock bags and wipe things down all day). But I am getting off topic.

To answer your question, they seem to be the same. I charge my emini in the eRoll charger and everything is the same dimensions, same connector, etc.

 

[EricDykstra]

Interesting. So we have one case of Ovale tanks being better.

 

[Cha0s13]

The ovale tanks are better. They dont have the tabs on them and fit more snug. Unfortunately, I ordered more tanks from Ovale, and they have the tabs on the like the Joyetech ones

 

[TTK]

I would not conclude that Ovale tanks are always better. They were better than the originals in J_Gundy's kit. But, I feel sure there are small variations in the production scheme that could lead to one batch being better than another batch., or one batch being out of spec. I own an emini battery for my eroll, and if there are any differences they must be internal because they are not visible, other than the name. The Ovale atomizers have Ovale etched on them rather than Joyetech.

 

[patkin]

I just saw Donald Trump on TV and he said that companies have to contractually agree to China using their designs to do business with them. Why would any company agree to that? Why not make your product in your own country instead of loosing all copyrights? Hearing what he said, the tanks should be the same sooner if not later unless Joyetech improves on the Ovale design but it wouldn't happen the other way around because Joye would steal any changes/improvements. And why on earth is Ovale charging more than Joye? Seems the only way to whip Joye is to undercut them.

Edit: Hrumph... I know "steal" is the wrong word when there's a contractual agreement. I should have said Joye would "copy" the improvement. I guess its none of my business if Ovale wants to do it that way they must have a profitable reason... maybe FDA fear and wasting money setting up their own production?

 

[TTK]

I just saw Donald Trump on TV and he said that companies have to contractually agree to China using their designs to do business with them. Why would any company agree to that? Why not make your product in your own country instead of loosing all copyrights?

Because they replicate them anyway. Look at all the fake/replica Rolex watches and famous handbags, as well as replicated music CDs. There is a whole fake world out there. Even BMW brake rotors and airplane parts.

 

[kas122461]

I don't know if this is true or not, but I read that joytech is just a manufacture, and they just copy others designs. Also that ovale designed the evic for instance, and joytech made it for them, then later on, joytech just slapped their name on it. They have done the same thing for everything that has the joytech name on it. Like I said I don't know if it is true or not.

 

[EricDykstra]

I have heard the same thing. Joyetech manufactures products for janty and ovale, and re licenses the designs under the Joyetech name. Actually that is why I was asking the question. You have to wonder if the products that don't meet ovale's specs get labeled under the Joyetech name. The tanks are one example

 

[J_Gundy]

Well, for what it's worth, the tanks I got from Ovale were the tabbed ones but they were still way better than tanks bought elsewhere. Granted I only bought two five-packs elsewhere, so it could be I was just unlucky.... I am obviously working with a very small sample here. Two packs from non-OVale and one pack from Ovale.

Perhaps when I have some spare time I will see if I can capture in a picture the differences between the Ovale tabbed tanks and the "other vendor" tabbed tanks. I did find tiny differences that were not obvious at all. I stared at the two different tanks for a while before seeing where they were a little bit different.

 

[TTK]

Well, for what it's worth, the tanks I got from Ovale were the tabbed ones but they were still way better than tanks bought elsewhere. Granted I only bought two five-packs elsewhere, so it could be I was just unlucky.... I am obviously working with a very small sample here. Two packs from non-OVale and one pack from Ovale.

Perhaps when I have some spare time I will see if I can capture in a picture the differences between the Ovale tabbed tanks and the "other vendor" tabbed tanks. I did find tiny differences that were not obvious at all. I stared at the two different tanks for a while before seeing where they were a little bit different.

The tanks that I received in my Joyetech eroll have what I would describe as "tabs" on them, but I don't know if my tabs are the same as your tabs. Also, the two extra tanks I bought to supplement what came with the kit have the same tabs. I have an order coming in from Totally Wicked that contains two boxes of tanks and some extra tank end caps. I will check for any differences.

 

[TTK]

My Totally Wicked order for eroll tanks and replacement caps arrived today. Both the tanks and caps have tabs on them, just like my original tanks.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Since Joyetech is just a manufacturer and Ovale created the eVic, why didn't Joyetech sell the eVic as a *CLONE* instead of selling it as though it were it's baby from the start?
Since I began vaping 2 weeks ago I've been doing a LOT of reading and have come across more than one article of devices Joyetech has copied from Ovale.
I guess my next question would be why Ovale continues using Joyetech when they know from first hand experience their designs will be stolen.

Although I have before discovering this, this makes me not want to purchase anything else Joyetech.

 

[EricDykstra]

Since Joyetech is just a manufacturer and Ovale created the eVic, why didn't Joyetech sell the eVic as a *CLONE* instead of selling it as though it were it's baby from the start?
Since I began vaping 2 weeks ago I've been doing a LOT of reading and have come across more than one article of devices Joyetech has copied from Ovale.
I guess my next question would be why Ovale continues using Joyetech when they know from first hand experience their designs will be stolen.

Although I have before discovering this, this makes me not want to purchase anything else Joyetech.

Joyetech - They Aren't the E-Cigarette Manufacturer You Think They Are! | E-Cig Express Blog

This article may provide some insight. "According to a top executive at one of companies, they certainly have rejected some of the runs made by Joyetech due to poor quality control."

 

[ScandaLeX]

Joyetech - They Aren't the E-Cigarette Manufacturer You Think They Are! | E-Cig Express Blog

This article may provide some insight. "According to a top executive at one of companies, they certainly have rejected some of the runs made by Joyetech due to poor quality control."

Thanks. Actually read this a few days ago which is why I have questions.

 

[EricDykstra]

I have an ecab,and atomizers on order from Ovale. They should be here sometime this week. I will post more when I can compare the joye version to the ovale.

 

[patkin]

I just found out that kidney puncher here in AZ carries Ovale.... everything from what I could see and for the same Ovale prices.... cool.

 

[EricDykstra]

My initial impression is that the ovale is better than joye. Everything seems to made better. The tank fits is tighter, the atty fits snug in the base. The manufacturing tolerances seem better.

The packaging was better as well. Instead of cardboard inserts everything is protected by foam.

Everything looks the same as the joye version, but it is made better. There is no sloppiness.

The ovale ecab was $52, the joyetech ecab runs about $45. To me that was money well spent. The ovale emini is $70 the joyetech eroll is around $52. That is a pretty big difference.

I will use the ovale for a few days and see how it holds up.

 

[Rickajho]

I have heard the same thing. Joyetech manufactures products for janty and ovale, and re licenses the designs under the Joyetech name. Actually that is why I was asking the question. You have to wonder if the products that don't meet ovale's specs get labeled under the Joyetech name. The tanks are one example

I think anyone who went through the debacle of the Ovale V8 would disagree with this. Joyetech had nothing to do with the V8 and the product was a cheaply made disaster for the majority of users. If there was ever a product that made me turn a skeptical eye toward a branded product the Ovale V8 did it for me.

Considering how convoluted manufacturing is in China, unless you work there I think it's unreasonable for anyone to make any claims about knowing who makes what and where for which company.