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Juice + nic level + ratio + device = what memo did i miss?

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WolfeReign

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After wading through the internet..travelling through the jungle of countless forums and posts of similar topics i have come to know i am not noodles (for this part), and if there so i would love to speculate about this so as in the future when there are n00bs with similar questions they will have the answer close at hand as i am sure i missed the memo as when i first started out i was lost in the crowd of needing the bigger better deal.......

For the sake of argument: The only constant in the juice is 18mg nic and 70% PG/ 30% PG, and no drip tips used. All batteries where freshly charged and brand new all producing a constant 3.6 volts to 3.7 volts (unless otherwise stated). Tobacco of RY4 was used from: Flavor Crafters, Juice Clear, and Honey Ville Vapor. Fruit (watermelon) was the same three and the drink was pina colada

Tobacco Flavors:

After using the same flavor in ce's, clearo's, cartomizers, atomizers from a ego battery all the way up to 5.5 volts on various mods. Each time the same research was achieved. Sure the flavor was there, and so was the tons of vapor but the whole throat hit (yes i am one that needed all three) was just not there.

Now taking the same flavor tobacco juice putting it in a 808 cart (for sake of experimentation i have tried redds, maxx fusion and generic) using a redds mini, redds keg cig, aurora maxx fusion, standard aurora and eRoll, i was blown away from the throat hit, flavor and vapor.

Another effect noticed is total battery time chain vaping seemed to expand, and in the case of the mini's use time was double.

Fruit or Drink Flavor

Working backwards and putting these in brand new carts (redds, maxx fusion, generic) and running them on the same 808's and eRoll (ok, so technically it has a ego-c atomizer) as above the flavor and vapor there, yet the throat hit was no were to be found. The other effect noticed here was the run time on said batteries was reduced while chain vaping(in the case of the mini's they ranged from 1 hour to 20 minutes).

Now, once they were added to a ce, cartomizer atomizer and used from 3.7 volts on up to 4.5 volts (over this was too harsh) the flavor, vapor and throat hit's where achieved.

So now that i stated my observation, i want to ask: Could it be that the tobacco flavor on the mini e-cig's are actually filling the psychological dependency of using a traditional cigarette that your sub conscious "fools" you into having the throat hit for the tobacco flavors, or is there something in the flavor base that seems to work better in a more concentrated state (considering the size of a 808 cart compared to the 510)? Anyone care to speculate on this? Any of the true vets of a few years doing this wish to comment?

Like i said i have missed the official memo i am sure that would explain all this and i am danged if i can get a reprint of it somewhere :laugh: After all i figure there is some legitimacy to my comment/observation/question here
 

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That is what i thought as well, but being the owner of (2) redds mini's, (2) redds key cigs, (2) 78 mm purple bloog's, (2) 78 "aurora" bloog's signature like and (2) 102 mm black bloog's (that happen to be a sealed battery), (1) Redds pcc kit (coming soon) and (2) eRoll's. All are auto except for the 102 mm's, and the redds and 102 mm are sealed.

the redd's mini, bloog's and eroll were 3.6 volts, the redds keycig was 3.7 volts, and through a ego vari volt i was able to replicate the volts.

I guess i should say that for further experimentation i got a 808 to 510 adapter and LR Kanger and oddly enough the tobacco flavor was the one to offer the throat hit, vapor and taste on the 808's that is why i thought it was rather odd ;)
 

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maybe i'm not really understanding the dilemma here, but im assuming it is to get the throat hit , without loosing the other two sensations you like(vapor & flavor)

you say that your juice is a 70/30 PG/PG ??? typo 70PG/30VG assuming

try to play around with a DIY of all VG and all PG, and see if that can be a factor. then compare it to your usual mix, and play around from there. You wont trully know what you like until you experience both extremes (i'm assuming you haven't done this)

one thing that i've found to impact flavor and vapor is how i draw on the device, regardless of what i am vaping on. It's not something that comes up much in these types of discussions but i think it plays a large part of my personal satisfaction when using various devises.

My REDDS with slow inhales can give me the same satisfaction as a hard inhale of my Kicked Reo Woodvil with a rebuildale atty.
Over-simplified description, but worth keeping in mind.
 

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yes it was a typo, as i was trying to type to fast on a bluetooth keyboard (and they say technology is here to improve our lives 0_o) i will look into the DIY and see if i get the same results, like i said for now i found it unique and something (more for myself) as note worthy that it seems (not only myself) find the tobacco flavors seem to hold more satisfaction on the redds and other 808's then say a fruit or drink flavor, but again once i get into DIY and try the same "experiment" i will know for sure :D

PS: just out of curiosity: you said you have the redds as well, are they the mini e-cig or the key cig? I am asking as i would like to know how long (average) they last for you? just curious to see the run time for others :D
 
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I have both the REDDS kit and KeyCig.

I can get a day out of the kits PCC if that makes sense.
I normally go through 3.5ml of juice daily, regardless of what device i vape on.
I never bothered timing how long the little battery lasts on a chain vape frenzy.

The KeyCig has been mainly for when the girlfriend bogards my Redds :glare: so i've never been in a situation when it is dead.

REDDS is mainly for public use though, my bottom feeder gets home and office duty.:2cool:
 

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I have both the REDDS kit and KeyCig.

I can get a day out of the kits PCC if that makes sense.
I normally go through 3.5ml of juice daily, regardless of what device i vape on.
I never bothered timing how long the little battery lasts on a chain vape frenzy.

The KeyCig has been mainly for when the girlfriend bogards my Redds :glare: so i've never been in a situation when it is dead.

REDDS is mainly for public use though, my bottom feeder gets home and office duty.:2cool:

I know the feeling well in a sense as my wife (who quit smoking 20+ years ago and does not vape) likes to steal my maxxfusion aurora's (i laugh at it). i do thank you for the info on the PCC as i have one ordered seeing as the "redds try me" was surprisingly nice (i just use the key cig charger for now) but it is good to know i am not the only one getting a kick and enjoyment out of them :D
 

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I have experience with the 510+PCC, Bloog+PCC, & REDDS+PCC.

I've gotten more enjoyment from the REDDS and consider the PCC to be well thought out in regards to use of space.

I skipped the e-roll completely because of the lack juice/tank storage. All day charge on 1.2 ml of juice...
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i really like the convenient of eRoll but agree as well juice limitation is a bummer, great hits off this small thing though.

well I hate to say I am having a fun little "dilema" as I cannot decide what as I want to use more. I mean the eroll is seriously awesome (and thinking on getting a second one)...I have the redds key cig like I said and the maxxrushion aurora line (thinking on getting a pcc for them), next few days I will be getting the redds pcc.....BUT I also have a ego c passthrough with ego booster, a ego vari volt (which I just saw goes from 3 volts to 6 volts (I feel dumb as inhad it since september and for whatever reason thought it went to only 4.8), a vivi nova with metal tank body and a star dust that has a ce4 to 510 drio tip adapter.........all that and k do not know what I want as my main pv......sadly there are days the redds wins whilenother days the egos do and other days the eroll does......lol I feel like such a teaitor to my ego c that has been with me all this time

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