Juicebox Atty?

[MastiffMike]

Rumor has it that the JB attys are lasting 6+ months and I'm wondering why? What makes them last so long? Is the coil made out of a different gauge wire? Different shape/configuration? I've never seen a JB but am wondering why the longevity compared to "stock" attys.

Appreciate any thoughts/ideas!

 

[jiff]

If that really is the case Carlos should just make/sell those atomizers and adapters to use them on different e-cigs. Less time consuming than making the whole juice box, so he'll pump out more. I don't know about anyone else, but I would pay a lot for an atty that lasted 6+ months.

 

[Sci]

Probably because they stay wetter. It's easier to press on a bottle & add some juice than stop what you're doing & find another cart or worse, refill one.

 

[MastiffMike]

My intial thought was the wetter aspect, but I've not heard of "stock" attys lasting longer when coupled with juice feed systems? That makes me think that there's something else at least partially responsible? At 2Ohm his attys are lower than most "stock", which would make me think they'd have a shorter life if anything. That's why I'm thinking there's a structural difference (i.e. coil shape, wire gauge, wire material, etc)?

 

[jiff]

My intial thought was the wetter aspect, but I've not heard of "stock" attys lasting longer when coupled with juice feed systems? That makes me think that there's something else at least partially responsible? At 2Ohm his attys are lower than most "stock", which would make me think they'd have a shorter life if anything. That's why I'm thinking there's a structural difference (i.e. coil shape, wire gauge, wire material, etc)?

Easiest way to find out is to find someone willing to disect their JB atty.

Then again... that may also be the hardest way...

 

[Sci]

Oops, forgot he was making his own. Since he's not "mass producing" in a factory, he probably takes time to make sure the connections are right. ie. no weak solder joints.
Or, he's got a great connection with the atty God & doesn't have to worry about it.

 

[JoeMoto]

I was also curious and started reading his post history. If I'm not mistaken he was using 32ga wire when he started rebuilding pipe attys. That may be one reason they last longer. 32ga is quite a bit larger than the 38 or 40ga that stock ecig attys use. In fact, 32ga is twice the diameter of 38ga.

At the 10.6 ohms per foot of 32ga he would need 2.25 inches of wire to get 2 ohms. Not an unreasonable length to wind and get into an atty cup. The cups from the photos I've seen appear to be brass and larger than a 510. This makes it appear that he may be using epipe-sized attys as opposed to ecig sizes.

Here is the post.

 

[clyde2801]

I'm waiting for my cjb to get back. A stock 801 tip will fit in the top of it, so I'm presuming that it is a 801 size or larger. It is made of brass. Mine had a single small air inlet hole at the bend of it.

I seem to remember him either posting or stating in a video that he was able to reengineer a stock atty and take out what he considered to be fail points in the design; i.e., components in stock attys that he deemed set up to eventually fail.

This ain't no stock atty, fellas. A single drop or two of juice could almost fill a room with thick, tasty vape. It's his atty that's the reason to buy a cjb, not the juicing action, IMO. I suspect, this-and lack of time-is the reason for him to not build his atty for other mods. A carlos atty on an 801 thread with a great 2nd gen pv would create the ultimate 3.7v dripping machine, case closed.

 

[MastiffMike]

Thanks all for the help! Now I've got some reading to do!

 

[JoeMoto]

Clyde,

So it is a machined brass cup, with a single hole at the bottom corner of the cup? Is the hole in the side, bottom or the corner itself?

 

[clyde2801]

it is a brass tube with a 30 degree bend and the lower half is enclased in epoxy. The air inlet hole is roughly where the bend is.

Where in Oklahoma are you? If it comes in this week, do you want me to show it to you?

 

[Brad524]

The atty has a 10 degree bend and the vent is on the side of the bend. I've taken a peek inside and it's deffinatly 32ga.

 

[crazyhorse]

Last I heard they were carefully built with 32 ga wire and a ceramic (porcelain) cup, They probably last so long because of the washing/draining action of the juice on the coil.

 

[JoeMoto]

Thanks guys. Clyde, I'm way down yonder in Durant, about 30 miles north of Sherman, Tx on Hwy 75. It might be a little far to drive just to show me.

But some high res pics would be awesome! Especially down into the atty. And maybe some dimensions?

 

[MastiffMike]

It would help ME if Clyde would just me his JB (and all other mods)! Then I could see for myself!

 

[clyde2801]

Thanks guys. Clyde, I'm way down yonder in Durant, about 30 miles north of Sherman, Tx on Hwy 75. It might be a little far to drive just to show me.

But some high res pics would be awesome! Especially down into the atty. And maybe some dimensions?

Been a while since I've been in Doo-rant. Would always come in through 1-35 S. and end up coming back home via 1-40 westbound! I'll send you some nice pictures if-uh-when it comes in.

And mastiff mike, I'm donating my review units to the less fortunate; I call it the 'Adopt a Smoker' program.

 

[juicefreak]

here's pics of the JB totally dismantled if anyone needs them:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/juice-box-fans/88282-jb-dismantled-pics.html

 

[rbonie]

I was also curious and started reading his post history. If I'm not mistaken he was using 32ga wire when he started rebuilding pipe attys. That may be one reason they last longer. 32ga is quite a bit larger than the 38 or 40ga that stock ecig attys use. In fact, 32ga is twice the diameter of 38ga.

At the 10.6 ohms per foot of 32ga he would need 2.25 inches of wire to get 2 ohms. Not an unreasonable length to wind and get into an atty cup. The cups from the photos I've seen appear to be brass and larger than a 510. This makes it appear that he may be using epipe-sized attys as opposed to ecig sizes.

Here is the post.

That makes sense. I just rebuilt a 808 cartomizer with 32g coil. Darn thing is to hot to wrap in anything I have on hand. Even used silica rope and it damn near evoporated it!!.. Bet if you set coil free,(like Carlos did), it would smoke like crazy....hmmmmmmmmm
pic 35 is the coil/pic 36 is the material wrapping it after about 3 minutes vaping!!

 

[JoeMoto]

What ohms is that atty? Did you have plenty of juice in the wick when you were vaping it?

I haven't seen a wick burn up like that.

 

[traderdan]

juicefreak

Thanks for posting the pic's of the Carlos juice box atty. I've often wondered how he built his .
I knew I would find out sometime when someone posted theirs on the forum.. The juice box was a major break threw to get the life of the atty were Carlos got it . I really think there is a ton of room for improvement on the design . I built some attys looking to figure out how he made them last so long.I figured it was a larger gauge wire also . I've had some of mine last six months and more with thicker wire and using good juice .

Originally Posted by JoeMoto
I was also curious and started reading his post history. If I'm not mistaken he was using 32ga wire when he started rebuilding pipe attys. That may be one reason they last longer. 32ga is quite a bit larger than the 38 or 40ga that stock ecig attys use. In fact, 32ga is twice the diameter of 38ga.

JoMoto
I was the same way I read every post I could find that Carlos wrote But he got secretive after awhile and didn't let out the information about the atty design . I've found its almost impossible to destroy a atty coil made out of the 32 gauge wire and when using good judgment they will last a long time . I think keeping they wet helps a ton also . I've gotten lazy in making new design attys . After seeing that the general popularity of handmade attys has dropped off . And also the atty's seemed to get a little less expensive than they were also . But if Big Brother bans E_cigs and supplies and parts, knowing how to build them might be valuable again sometime.
Dan