Just a temporary whine, it's all gonna be okay

[foolofgrace]

vaping Day 6. Many fewer analogs smoked. Currently none in the house. I can make this work.

But ... sigh ... I can vape and vape and then I still want to light a stupid-stick. I'm not going out to get any, so that's good, and I know this will go away eventually, but I just needed to whine a bit, please excuse and thanks for letting me vent.

I might buy a pack tomorrow, I might not, but if I do (and I won't hate myself for it), I know that it's still going to be fewer and fewer that I smoke. It's just frustrating to vape and vape and still want that old thing. I was vaping so much I got nauseous and I wasn't sure it was the vaping but thanks to this forum I learned it was, so I put it down for a while. I'm at a high nic content (30) so it's not that, it must be all the other deadly chemicals my body is used to.

Thanks for listening. This forum is a lifesaver.

 

[OMG]

Vaping Day 6. Many fewer analogs smoked. Currently none in the house. I can make this work.

But ... sigh ... I can vape and vape and then I still want to light a stupid-stick. I'm not going out to get any, so that's good, and I know this will go away eventually, but I just needed to whine a bit, please excuse and thanks for letting me vent.

I might buy a pack tomorrow, I might not, but if I do (and I won't hate myself for it), I know that it's still going to be fewer and fewer that I smoke. It's just frustrating to vape and vape and still want that old thing. I was vaping so much I got nauseous and I wasn't sure it was the vaping but thanks to this forum I learned it was, so I put it down for a while. I'm at a high nic content (30) so it's not that, it must be all the other deadly chemicals my body is used to.

Thanks for listening. This forum is a lifesaver.

You are probably right about it being the other chemicals. I personally didn't want a cigarette at all after a few days of vaping but I tried them here and there to see how nasty they would be and I was right There is definitely no reason to hate yourself if you end up buying a pack but it will get better. Many people here have gone through the same thing

 

[Jackiej5407]

Read up on WTA in the Supplier Forum under Aroma e-juice ... it explains the pull to analogs, and you won't feel bad.

 

[Needo]

Do you have 24mg or stronger juice? Get your fill of nicotine before trying an analog. The analog won't have the same appeal. It does help over time.

 

[Tsuki]

Are you satisfied with your vape? what flavor are you vaping, does it give you the adequate throat hit you desire and are used to? In my experience I don't get satisfied if I'm not getting the proper amount of throat hit. This may be a juice problem or equipment problem you're experiencing. Tell us a little bit more about what you're working with and we can provide solutions for you.

Because you're getting nauseous, we can tell you're OD'ing, so you're definitely getting the nicotine. The problem might be that its too high a level, and its forcing you into overdose, which forces you to stop but as a consequence makes you desire an analog. have you tried chain-vaping a lower mg? that might do it, but you need to make sure you're getting enough throat hit and vapor to mimick the analog as well as adequate delivery of nicotine in order to successfully trick your brain into thinking you're smoking analogs.

I'm not saying that everyone who gets a PV should instantly be satisfied and not need or crave analogs, I'm merely suggesting that perhaps you are not getting the satisfaction you need due to either a juice or equipment problem and that there is probably a solution to your woes. but without more information we can't help you determine that.

I hope your situation improves, we will certainly try to assist as best we can

Happy Vaping!

 

[OttoBahn]

I might buy a pack tomorrow, I might not,

Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.. one day at a time (or one craving at a time). It takes 21 days to make or break a habit (so they say).. one day at a time.

 

[foolofgrace]

Are you satisfied with your vape? what flavor are you vaping, does it give you the adequate throat hit you desire and are used to? In my experience I don't get satisfied if I'm not getting the proper amount of throat hit. ...

Thank you, Tsuki. I'm getting good TH, have been vaping mostly tobacco flavors but have a couple of others, being able to change helps. Money is very tight so I can't go nuts buying lots of stuff, but I quit smoking once before and this feeling is familiar, and I believe I will prevail. I think that's half the battle right there. Thank you for caring, it means a lot.

 

[foolofgrace]

Read up on WTA in the Supplier Forum under Aroma e-juice ... it explains the pull to analogs, and you won't feel bad.

I did, and it was very interesting, thank you for pointing it out. I've bookmarked their sales page to keep an eye out for when it's available, but I have a feeling that by the time it is, I won't need it anymore. At least I hope so.

 

[Tsuki]

No Problem! I'm sure you're well on your way to dropping the analogs. Personally I found when I first started vaping that "something was missing"... even though I vaped my head off in the first two days and OD'd consistently, I still went through the motions of when I smoked analogs... sometimes even still I'll get up and head for the door... things I usually did when I smoked, something in my brain was telling me "its time for a cigarette" even though I had my PV next to me. When that happens I'll usually put on a carto filled with disgustingly strong 24mg juice that has a POW POW throat hit for a few drags and I'm good. Then i'll switch to a lighter nicely flavored juice with a milder TH and chain vape that in-between until the cycle repeats itself and its time for another powerful kick... I hope that helps you even just a little bit. I find chain-vaping lower mg in between helps enormously.

 

[foolofgrace]

... I find chain-vaping lower mg in between helps enormously.

Wow, that's something I never considered; I went for the 30 nic juice from the get-go figuring I'd need maximum punch, but I can see the merit in your system and will try it out. I totally know what you mean about the ritual of it all. I'm already ahead of the game, and it's good to know that others have been in the same place and succeeded. Thank you so much for sharing, and also for the encouragement. "It takes a village to raise a vaper..."

 

[Tsuki]

No problem at all! I'm so glad you're proactively seeking to make the switch! Like yourself I figured I needed the higher nic content to start with to get maximum effectiveness but I got really lucky and there was a mistake with my order that turned out to be a blessing. I had originally ordered 18mg but decided before it was shipped that I should swap it to 24mg so I informed the company and they made the change for me in my 5 prefilled cartos, but they neglected to make the change in my 7x 5ml samplers so on hand I had both 24 and 18mg. I noticed immediately I COULD NOT stop vaping but also that I was overdosing far too often, so I switched over to the 18mg and just vape that all day now except for when a need that extra kick which is when I'll take a few drags off my 24mg cartos. I don't overdose anymore and I chain-vape all day its working wonderfully and I haven't had to go back to analogs I do hope you can find a similar resolution soon!

 

[SmokingBullet]

Try vaping a flavor as close as possible to what you were smoking originally. When the erge is there reach for that flavor. If I had done that when I started vaping I would have stopped smoking cigarettes a lot sooner than I did. Took me about 2 weeks to quit entirely.

Don't give up, each day it will get easier and easier. Good Luck!

Vaping Day 6. Many fewer analogs smoked. Currently none in the house. I can make this work.

But ... sigh ... I can vape and vape and then I still want to light a stupid-stick. I'm not going out to get any, so that's good, and I know this will go away eventually, but I just needed to whine a bit, please excuse and thanks for letting me vent.

I might buy a pack tomorrow, I might not, but if I do (and I won't hate myself for it), I know that it's still going to be fewer and fewer that I smoke. It's just frustrating to vape and vape and still want that old thing. I was vaping so much I got nauseous and I wasn't sure it was the vaping but thanks to this forum I learned it was, so I put it down for a while. I'm at a high nic content (30) so it's not that, it must be all the other deadly chemicals my body is used to.

Thanks for listening. This forum is a lifesaver.

 

[Shadow102]

I can understand the money is tight sentiment, it is for a lot of us and part of the reason why I switched to vaping. I've noticed two things about my vaping vs. analog habit that might help you.

1. If you spend a good portion of your time in one location (for me its at my computer) put your PV where you used to keep your smokes, I've found when I start to crave I reach for that spot and end up finding my 808 PT instead of a pack of Camels, couple of pulls and I'll either hang onto it without vaping for that tactile sensation or just set it back down.

2. Try vaping a flavor of something else you enjoy when you really feel the need for an analog, and it helps to make it a stronger than your normal vape. For me its Coffee at 24mg, I'm a coffee fiend and found that if I can satiate that urge it cuts down on my desire to have an analog.

 

[Huffelpuff]

Hi foolofgrace,

I smoked for 25 years- newbie here analog free for 2 weeks tomorrow. In stead of "cold turkey" why not try allowing yourself a predetermined # of analogs. If you allow yourself, say, 3 per day and ..... them to make them last throughout the day, you may find that the "longing" for your lost love subsides. My feelings are that I've failed in the past, mainly, because I'm an all or nothing thinker - the term "never" and "cigarettes" forces me into a panic - then I figure "I'm going to do it anyway so I'll cheat." Then I beat the crap out of my self emotionally and feel defeated.

Once I get into this pattern the vaping is no longer a "reward" but a "punishment." I trick my mind into feeling deprived and, whammo, negative results.

If I'm giving terrible advice, please listen to the others here but, for me, knowing that I'm allowed and giving myself permission to smoke analogs has taken away my cravings. They are here and it's no big deal. I think that there are a lot of psychological issues to smoking and that "positive reinforcement" works.

Sorry for the long post but also believe that 30 mg is high and you may be more satisfied with alternating between 30 and 24. When I take in too much nicotine I feel loopy and probably could be adding to your stress level w/ smoking.

 

[OrthodoxAtheist]

This may sound a little strange, but make sure you are drinking plenty of fluids... maybe as much as twice what you're used to. When the body gets dehydrated, even slightly, the mind is not good at recognizing the signal of thirst. This often leads people to eat, when truly they're just thirsty. The same can be said of wanting an analog. Your body is telling you it wants something, and due to an existing addiction, your mind is telling you it must be a cigarette. Chances are your body would be ecstatic with a tall glass of chilled orange juice instead. I'm more acutely aware of this than most because I drink about 8oz of fluids a day... very unhealthy... I have to force myself to drink, and when I do in tandem with vaping, I find it much more enjoyable. Subconsciously when you are dehydrated, you don't enjoy vaping as much.

I didn't suffer from wanting an analog... my last analog was when I went to the post office to pick up my PV. I credit the fact I bought great menthol juice, which far exceed the Virginia Slim Menthol Lights I used to smoke. It also might help you to tell us what cigarettes you smoke, and some of the more seasoned vapers here can advise a suitable tobacco juice to best replicate the taste/sensation. Personally, I no longer vape tobacco-flavored juice... icky taste.

 

[carpedebass]

Make NO mistake about it...while there ARE habitual elements about smoking analogs, you are in a fight for your life against addiction...a conniving and treacherous opponent. As with any other addiction, you have to take one minute at a time...one hour at a time...one day at a time.

Best of luck to you. Feel free to let me know if there is anything you need. I'm just a PM away.

EDIT - By the way...OA is completely correct on the water intake. Not only do you need to increase it while vaping due to the dehydrating effects, the extra fluids will act to flush the remaining toxins out of your system. Push water like a popcorn vendor at a circus!

 

[Jslay00]

No shame. Fewer is better, none is best, perfection is only a dream.

Five months into vaping, personally, I still light an analog once in a while. I'm down from about 30/day to 7-8/week and take a reasonable amount of pride in the fact. Mostly, these days, when I light up I take a few draws, realize how bad it tastes, crush it out and keep vaping. When I run out of tobacco (pretty soon, now), I don't think I'll miss it at all.

IMO, set whatever pace keeps you stress free and be content. It gets better.

 

[dormouse]

Try more flavors. Pay attention to how various flavors leave you feeling. If food flavors leave you feeling like you ate and craving an analog, then avoid vaping food flavors alone for a while (for me was 2 months until I could vape food flavors alone, but I could mix them into tobacco carts). If tobaccos flavors are the problem, and remind your cigarettes and make you want one, then avoid tobacco flavors for now. Remember to smell the vapor!!! And find flavors that make you go ahhhh. If you need more TH try higher nic or less VG. If you need bigger or hitter hits, buy better equipment (or if you already have something with big 450mah+ batteries, try LR attys and cartos). If you have not tried cartomizers, try them.

 

[JD1]

I'd like to add vitamins to the suggestions list. You may not need them but it's something to check on. For example, a lot of us don't get enough sun anymore. I've started taking b12 and cod liver oil. COD LIVER OIL???? Oh hush. I found some with an orange flavor that I take with orange juice and it's not bad at all.
Vape on!

 

[foolofgrace]

I just wanted to thank everyone en masse for their kind and generous suggestions. I have ordered some lower-nic juice (18 instead of my current 30) so I can vape more without getting sick should be here in a few days. I'm taking vitamins and supplements also now and I tell myself often I should drink more water . I'll get there. After 3 days analog-free and unable to function I bought a pack today and I'm not going to beat myself up over it, if I've gone from a PAD to a PAW that's progress, at least, and I have to do what I have to do to keep my life running. Part of the complication is I'm also radically changing my eating habits (unsuccessfully tried to go vegan, finally had to add in some cheese and half-and-half to make that icky whole-wheat pasta work) and trying to curtail drinking (two steps forward, one step back). So I've taken on a lot and I must remind myself to stop expecting perfection. Thanks, everyone!