Just got my first vv device in the mail this morning! (torpedo vvv)

[TnE]

Been vaping for over a year now and this is hands-down the best vaping experience I've ever had.

I'm using vision stardust clearomizers on it between about 3.5-4v and the vapor production is amazing and flavor (Johnson Creek Original) is wonderful!

I'm gonna get one of the Vision ViVi Nova tanks soon to try out soon and then somewhere down the line I'm gonna try out a Phiniac/boge tank/cart combo.

Haven't had any problems so far. I have read all the battery warnings and am heading all the advice (carrying case, resting after charge, etc..) and am going to get a better charger than the truefire that came with the kit soon as well.

Anything else I should know about using/taking care of these things, any tips/tricks?

 

[kwalka]

Congrats on the new toy. I wish I came across more posts with this exact subject. Do you own a multimeter? What batts do you have?

 

[sailorman]

The "resting after charge" thing is a wives tale. There's no legitimate reason batteries need to rest before using them, or after using them and before they're put on charge.

As for tips, there's not much to the LT. Keep the connector clean and don't get any juice in them. Some people have said they gave been able to blow moisture out of the switch area by blowing into the bottom. I still haven't figured that out yet, but I tried it a few times and nothing came out. I probably introduced moisture into it with my breath though. Duh!

Nothing really wrong with that charger, but if it makes you feel better.... Xstar makes a decent charger if you don't want to spring for the overhyped Pila. I've had that charger for years, but now I use an equally cheap Trustfire TR-001 just because it has dual battery bays and it's worked like a champ for about 8 years now.

If you're going to use a Boge tank, do it before you get the Vivi Nova. Otherwise you'll just be disappointed. There's no comparison between a tank that uses a filled carto and one that uses a coil/wick system. I'm using a Vision Stone 3 right now and there's no way I'd ever go back to a carto tank, despite the occasional semi-dry hit I might get with the VS3. The Vivi Nova looks like a much better wicking system and I can't wait to get one myself, assuming they don't sell out in three days.

Stick to 2.5 to 3 ohms and you'll be able to take advantage of the full spectrum of your LT. It makes things a lot simpler not having to juggle 5 different resistances. And stay away from dual coil anything. They don't work worth a darn on the LTs.

 

[sailorman]

Oh, yeah. If you ever decide to upgrade your batteries, get the Panasonic 2250mah CGR18650CH. They blow even genuine AWs out of the ballpark and they can be had for $10 shipped from orbtronic.com.

And lube the threads on the bottom cap with noalox or 950G. Repeat every couple months. That's it. They're pretty much maintenance free.

 

[kwalka]

The "resting after charge" thing is a wives tale. There's no legitimate reason batteries need to rest before using them, or after using them and before they're put on charge.

As for tips, there's not much to the LT. Keep the connector clean and don't get any juice in them. Some people have said they gave been able to blow moisture out of the switch area by blowing into the bottom. I still haven't figured that out yet, but I tried it a few times and nothing came out. I probably introduced moisture into it with my breath though. Duh!

Nothing really wrong with that charger, but if it makes you feel better.... Xstar makes a decent charger if you don't want to spring for the overhyped Pila. I've had that charger for years, but now I use an equally cheap Trustfire TR-001 just because it has dual battery bays and it's worked like a champ for about 8 years now.

If you're going to use a Boge tank, do it before you get the Vivi Nova. Otherwise you'll just be disappointed. There's no comparison between a tank that uses a filled carto and one that uses a coil/wick system. I'm using a Vision Stone 3 right now and there's no way I'd ever go back to a carto tank, despite the occasional semi-dry hit I might get with the VS3. The Vivi Nova looks like a much better wicking system and I can't wait to get one myself, assuming they don't sell out in three days.

Stick to 2.5 to 3 ohms and you'll be able to take advantage of the full spectrum of your LT. It makes things a lot simpler not having to juggle 5 different resistances. And stay away from dual coil anything. They don't work worth a darn on the LTs.

The day is finally here. Sailorman, we are on opposite sides of a topic. Just so all you fine folks know sailorman and myself go way back, I'm talking since I was knee high to a grasshopper. Well ok, I lied for the past 90 days he and I have gone head to head with several diff members on several diff topics. Most of the time, (all the time) I just back off and let him intelectually destroy the competition. So, I've got some research to do here. Sailorman, you are implying that the powers that be may be wrong? Put up your dukes my friend, I'm gonna get reading!

 

[kwalka]

The "resting after charge" thing is a wives tale. There's no legitimate reason batteries need to rest before using them, or after using them and before they're put on charge.

Is it not true that fresh off the charger the batts are at a higher voltage than is a safe operating level. So the resting period gives them a chance to come down a bit to a safer level?

 

[sailorman]

Is it not true that fresh off the charger the batts are at a higher voltage than is a safe operating level. So the resting period gives them a chance to come down a bit to a safer level?

Do you have a meter? Take a batt off the charger and it (should) be 4.2V. Wait an hour. Still 4.15V to 4.2V. Wait another hour Still 4.12V. How long would you like to "rest" them?

Really, it's negligible how much they self-discharge. If you're going to wait for them to come down to 3.7V, you're going to have a loooooooong wait. Probably a week or three. Devices that specify a 3.7 battery are designed with the full knowledge that a battery only averages 3.7V and will be powering that device at up to 4.2 Volts. Most well designed devices are even built to tolerate higher voltages than 4.2, under the assumption that occasionally, someone will put in an overcharged battery. In fact, just about every 3.7V lithium battery powered device I can think of can be run at up to 5V. Bulbs might burn out faster. Motors will run faster, etc. But they'll run and nothing will explode.

Now, having said all that, there could possibly be some arcane reason that it is theoretically better for the battery itself not to run straight off the charger. Since the voltage drops so slowly and it would take hours of rest before it came down, I can't think of why that would be. But I suppose it's possible. If there's any benefit to the battery, it's probably on the order of the benefit you get by not running it below 3.7 volts. I do it, but I'm not going to swear it adds any more to the life than running it down to 3.5 volts.

Another thing, I suppose its possible that if your battery was overcharged, say to 4.3V, that if you let it "rest", it would come down to 4.2V on it's own and faster than it would drop from say, 4.2 to 4.1. So, maybe it's safer to let it drop from 4.3 to 4.2 during that rest period. But if you're overcharging your batteries that much, you have a whole separate problem. I'm assuming that we're dealing with properly charged batteries in the first place.

 

[kwalka]

Do you have a meter? Take a batt off the charger and it (should) be 4.2V. Wait an hour. Still 4.15V to 4.2V. Wait another hour Still 4.12V. How long would you like to "rest" them?

Really, it's negligible how much they self-discharge. If you're going to wait for them to come down to 3.7V, you're going to have a loooooooong wait. Probably a week or three. Devices that specify a 3.7 battery are designed with the full knowledge that a battery only averages 3.7V and will be powering that device at up to 4.2 Volts. Most well designed devices are even built to tolerate higher voltages than 4.2, under the assumption that occasionally, someone will put in an overcharged battery. In fact, just about every 3.7V lithium battery powered device I can think of can be run at up to 5V. Bulbs might burn out faster. Motors will run faster, etc. But they'll run and nothing will explode.

I have been keeping a log of all my batts, reading them right off the charger and they seem to hover around 4.14. I guess I thought because weve been told so much to let them rest that there was another scientific reason why they were telling us this.
Now that I look at my log you are correct. So why are they telling us this?

 

[ChrispyCritter]

The "resting after charge" thing is a wives tale. There's no legitimate reason batteries need to rest before using them, or after using them and before they're put on charge.

IDK about resting them but it's a good idea to wait a few mins in case they are about to fail..I wait 5-10mins with mine just in case. If you pulled them off the charger and they are about to go thermal and stick them in the device it would ruin the device. If you wait 5-10mins it should be safe to say they are not about to go thermal..when batteries fail from what I've read they usually fail on the charger or not long after taking them off.

Although if they were about to fail they most likely would be pretty warm when you pulled them off. I'm just playing it on the safe side and it's not hard to wait 5-10mins as an extra precaution. I do charge them right out of the device though as long as they are not warm there is no reason to not take them out of the device and put on the charger...

 

[TnE]

Hmm, well the way I vape the battery is usually going to sit for a day or so after charging, but I won't be too paranoid about it.

As for carto tanks.. you guys may have talked me out of trying them out. I guess I'll just stick with the Vision stuff.. I'm not really having any issues with them and they are easy enough to refill.

 

[Maestro]

I've never had a reason to put a battery in directly off the charger. My battery is usually charged and sitting around long before I need to swap.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

I've never had a reason to put a battery in directly off the charger. My battery is usually charged and sitting around long before I need to swap.

Yeah mine usually sits for at least a day..if it runs low a bit before bedtime I just switch and set it out for charging the next day..I only charge them when I'm here next to it so I have forgot to charge one and came close to not having a battery to run..it was charged before I needed it and I waited a bit before changing it out luckily.

 

[sailorman]

I have been keeping a log of all my batts, reading them right off the charger and they seem to hover around 4.14. I guess I thought because weve been told so much to let them rest that there was another scientific reason why they were telling us this.
Now that I look at my log you are correct. So why are they telling us this?

What kind of batteries do you have? What charger? Mine are always spot on at 4.20 off the charger, unless my meter is a piece of junk, which is not out of the question. I don't know why anyone would tell you to rest your batteries, other than the speculation I made about overcharging, or Crispy made about the chance of an event being higher right off charge. I've never read any reputable source who recommended that, but I have heard it repeated in casual chat, (as wives tales so often are). It may have been started by some device manufacturer who would rather a battery explode while sitting on a desk "resting" than in his device. IOW, a CYA move.

 

[sailorman]

Yeah, I usually don't swap them hot off the charger either. Sometimes I'll be sitting here not noticing the light has turned green. Since I don't like to drain them past 3.8V, sometimes I'll swap them while it is convenient and I notice the light. That means hot off the charger. Never had a problem with it.

 

[kwalka]

What kind of batteries do you have? What charger? Mine are always spot on at 4.20 off the charger, unless my meter is a piece of junk, which is not out of the question. I don't know why anyone would tell you to rest your batteries, other than the speculation I made about overcharging, or Crispy made about the chance of an event being higher right off charge. I've never read any reputable source who recommended that, but I have heard it repeated in casual chat, (as wives tales so often are). It may have been started by some device manufacturer who would rather a battery explode while sitting on a desk "resting" than in his device. IOW, a CYA move.

I have 2 TF 14500 from MV, 2 "Nhaler KICK Battery IMR 18650 1800mAh, 2 brand new AW 14500 ( got yesterday). The kicks and the TFs come off between 4.14 and 4.17. The Aws r 2 new havent metered yet.
I have the XTAR WP2, and a brand new Gargner Bender GDT-3190 meter.
I did so much reading a month ago I couldnt tell you where I got the rest thing, but I'm pretty sure Roly says it in the batt safety pages. It was either there or @ batt univ.
I'm getting ready to replace the Kicks w the Panasonics. I have the Kicked Xhaler and the batts dont last as long as I would like. I know the Kick draws a lot of juice. The whole Kicked Xhaler kit is like 3 weeks old. All the other batts are less than a week.

 

[TnE]

Congrats on the new toy. I wish I came across more posts with this exact subject. Do you own a multimeter? What batts do you have?

The batteries that come with I believe are AW 220mAh, and yeah I do have one at work.

 

[TnE]

I did so much reading a month ago I couldnt tell you where I got the rest thing, but I'm pretty sure Roly says it in the batt safety pages.

The battery page here on ECF has advice about resting the batteries after charging.

 

[carlton]

I have 2 TF 14500 from MV, 2 "Nhaler KICK Battery IMR 18650 1800mAh, 2 brand new AW 14500 ( got yesterday). The kicks and the TFs come off between 4.14 and 4.17. The Aws r 2 new havent metered yet.
I have the XTAR WP2, and a brand new Gargner Bender GDT-3190 meter.
I did so much reading a month ago I couldnt tell you where I got the rest thing, but I'm pretty sure Roly says it in the batt safety pages. It was either there or @ batt univ.
I'm getting ready to replace the Kicks w the Panasonics. I have the Kicked Xhaler and the batts dont last as long as I would like. I know the Kick draws a lot of juice. The whole Kicked Xhaler kit is like 3 weeks old. All the other batts are less than a week.

Yeah, gotta use the Panny's with a kick. Otherwise I can't vape for more than like half a day before replacing the battery.

 

[luvinit]

Good stuff,, I just got my LT and am such a noob with it.. But I really love it!

 

[bnrkwest]

I have been keeping a log of all my batts, reading them right off the charger and they seem to hover around 4.14. I guess I thought because weve been told so much to let them rest that there was another scientific reason why they were telling us this.
Now that I look at my log you are correct. So why are they telling us this?

If you are testing your batts off the charger and know the reading you will be safe using them. The precaution to rest is if someone does not have a meter to read them or they come off too warm or hot. Plus mishaps have happened more on newly charged batts. I just had a new batt and new charger get warmer than it should, it left my batt discolored on the bottom. I definitely left that batt rest, infact I did not use it but returned it. It is a safety precaution for those without a meter and newcomers to the VV APV world. Better safe than sorry. If you have a volt meter and know the exact charge that is best. bnrk