Just got my GGTS+AVS - draw ring question

[littlewierdo]

Damn this thing is long.

After about an hour of trying to figure out how all the pieces go together and discovering that 510 atties dont work with the AVS (which bums be out cause I love my 510 atomizer - its an atomizer not a cartomizer), I dug around and found a brand new 10 pack of 901 atties I had sitting around.

Ok, so I got it assembled and working with the AVS (so I assume I have it assembled properly if it works).

Im currently vaping at 3.7 volts. I know its strange, Im really happy with lower voltage but might someday try 6 for SNG's.

It does leak a tad out of the top, I checked the O ring and its sitting snuggly between the outside of the atty and the outside casing so Im not sure whats going on there.

So, my question is, what do you recommend for the draw adjustment to be set at? I tried it completely open, completely closed and about halfway, all with about the same results. I dont want to flood the atty so Im thinking about going with Kreon's method of perhaps a quarter turn from closed to open.

For the experienced peeps, whatcha recommend for lower voltage vaping (Im using 2400 Mah 18650 trustfire batteries I ordered from altsmoke.com)?

Also, how often do you empty / recycle the secondary tank the liquid empties into? Is this something I can just do every night before I go to bed (so just once a day) or does it need to be done more often than that?

(By the way, Im leaving now for a 10 hour drive to Dallas and back and this will be my EXCLUSIVE device for the trip. I hope it survives because if it doesnt, Ill be picking up some analogs along the way (which wouldnt make me happy). Ill let ya know what I think tomorrow.)

 

[imeothanasis]

If it leaks from the refilling cap then its a matter of the o-ring little my friend. Maybe a damaged o-ring. To speak the truth I dont check the o-rings. I just put them on GG hoping they are ok. But its very very rare for a o-ring to be damaged.

ps...... try to screw the cap tight and check again

ps2... its shorter than the GGTS-AFSV2 buddy but you are not used on AFS as I see it. But you will soon. After you use it for some days you will not be able to leave it off your hands!

 

[mwa102464]

I have not had a leak at all and I am usiing an AW IC 18650 Battery with an LR801 in on GGTS/AVS and a LR510 in my other GGTS/AVS so littlewierdo you need some adapters buddy and maybe tighten your unit up a bit

 

[wolflrv]

Hey wierdo...I just made an 8 day 2270 mile trip through Texas with my GGTS/AFSv2 and I can assure it's up to the task!!

As far as top leaks you might make sure you're not filling past the top threads. I usually stop filling just before I reach the threads. This leaves enough room for air displacement as you replace the top cap and "pressurize" the tank.

As far as good technique for the AFS/AVS..when you first fill the tank and cap it..open the CR full open and vape the excess juice off till it begins to run smoothly with no gurgle. Then you can close the CR off some and it should begin to draw juice. The basic guideline is if it's seemingly flooded or too much juice open CR full open and vape the excess, if it's seeming to be dry tasting then close the CR off and do a short drag and it will pull more juice into the atomizer. You have to get used to how it runs, but I can completely control the juice in the atomizer through the CR without having to remove top cap until it's time to refill the tank.

It's definitely worth mastering though...I can't imagine ever taking a road trip without mine again! Good Luck and have fun in Texas!!

 

[keon718nyc]

Very good info Wolflvr! Also i wanted to throw in a tip, If for some reason your atomizer gets flooded, i found the best thing to do is take it apart, empty all of it into bottle, then clean the AVS and blow out you atomizer. This worked for me after i flooded the 901 i had. After i cleaned it all and refilled it was back to clouds of vapor. Just a quick helpful tip....

 

[mwa102464]

Keon, if your Atty floods try blowing into the Atty through the mouth piece, this will blow it out.!

 

[keon718nyc]

How is that possible that liquid wont come through the control ring if i do that? I'll stick to this method if it does flood, once you get the hang of using it, it will not flood i feel... Thanks for the help anyhow my friend MWA~

 

[imeothanasis]

Guys, little had a very small leakage from the top cap nothing more. its just the o-ring.

Little if your leakage is only when you refill then please screw the cap slow because if you screw it quickly air will push the liquid and it will come up. And as Wolf said put liquid until threads, not more

 

[littlewierdo]

Thanks for the tip regarding the draw ring. Im still playing with it as I managed to flood an atty and have it too dry as well. What is really weird is that the atty works just fine flooded, just has a slight burnt flavor which Im really puzzled at. And I know the atty is flooded and not dry because I pulled the top off and it had a nice pool of liquid in it, I screwed the cap on and closed off the draw ring - nice to know that I need to open it instead (unscrew all the way to the top?).

I have figured out the leaking issue, the o ring had a small nick in it. Easily remedied, I used a blow torch and reshaped it so it fits correctly. And yes, I dont fill any higher than where the threads start...theres really no point lol.

Now on to another strange question... after I assembled my AVS to the unit, I ended up with 2 extra parts that were originally on the unit. Its always puzzling when you put something together and have parts left over.

The first part / piece I presume is normal, its the ring that sits on top of the GGTS that the atomizer screws into. I presume this piece isnt used if you are using the AVS.

However, the second piece is a smaller 'O' shaped metal piece that has male threads and just underneath the male threads is a slightly wider 'O' that has the rough contour like the draw ring has. In fact, if you take the mouthpiece for the AVS off and look at the metal piece attached to the bottom of the mouthpiece, it looks exactly like that except slightly smaller. Is this suppose to be an extra part?

Oh and can I empty the overflow tank (the secondary tank that liquid leaks into) once a day or should I do it more frequently?

Thanks for the tips btw .

 

[wolflrv]

When filling the tank the CR should be fully closed until you've replaced all the top cap assembly...then open the CR full open and vape out the excess juice. Just vape it..it will gurgle a bit but will vape off in about 3-10 minutes.

I can't speak to the other questions because I'm still running the AFSv2...not the new AVS...but I'm sure someone else will be able to answer those questions.

 

[littlewierdo]

Just tried your recommendation after I basically reset the GGTS (poured overflow liquid into the main tank and cleared out the atty so that all the liquid is in the main tank again).

Simply marvelous. I think I like it.

To be honest, I wasnt sure about the GGTS and the AVS setup but I think Im sold now.

I am a bit disappointed however, I used an awful lot of fluid tonight..had half a tank 10 hours ago and now its nearly empty . When I dripped, I only used less than 2 ml a day...this thing I think Im using around 3+ a day. And no, I didnt smoke it anymore than I did when I was dripping...

Some documentation would be extremely helpful for those of us that are new to the unit.

One thing Im really surprised by is the taste. I can actually really taste the flavor quite a bit more distinctly than dripping.

Gonna have to look around for a good flavor to smoke now, something not sweet and nothing strong (no menthol). Also no perfume or flowery taste. Im really picky, I get sick of the sweetness pretty quick.

Anyway, Im going to drop the battery in the charger and get some sleep, Im getting dizzy (literally) from the nicotine I think, been a long time since Ive had this feeling...

 

[wolflrv]

Glad you got it working!! It truly is an amazing device! As far as using a bit more liquid, Yes you will use more than you would when dripping, because you never vape it dry like you do with dripping. You get that "first hit" on every hit..not "first hit" and then diminishing vapor and taste until it's time to drip again. You'll find a new "normal" ml's for the day and won't be much problem. I run about 1.5 tanks a day..maybe 2 if I'm up late or really stressing. It doesn't vary much.

And I do have what I call my AFS mix which is always in the tank and is my go-to vape. If I want a variety or am craving a particular flavor..usually after dinner at night..I'll grab my FogLog(901) and drip whatever I'm craving.

And also..yeah..it's not unusual to have to drop your nic level by 2-5mg or so to account for the more consistent delivery of juice with the AFS/AVS. Don't vape your head off!! LOL!

Good luck! Sounds like you've about got it down now!! Enjoy!

 

[imeothanasis]

I totally agree with Wolf my friend little.

AVS needs more liquid.
Imagine that with dripping you inhale every time a worse taste that the previous one, so everytime you take less and less liquid. With AVS you inhale every time the same liquid so the same taste. You have to pay with more liquid this pleassure buddy!

Taste is always the best in every inhale. Your mouth is full of taste every time in the day, so you can really feel exactly what you smoke.

Please lower the nic lever and dont smoke like you used to smoke before, you will get sick buddy!

 

[HoPeFuLLL]

Yep, I'd say drop you nic level by 1/3 when you start with an AVS. Your body will tell you what you need later (up or down).

 

[littlewierdo]

Well, Im gonna finish off this bottle...its 36 strength nicotine so its very strong. Im still trying to figure out the draw ring and how it works...

From what I have figure out with testing...

On an initial refill of the AVS OR after the unit has been sitting for more than 30 minutes with the draw ring closed (screwed all the way down toward the battery end) this is what I do and it seems to be working nicely.

I slowly unscrew the draw ring feeling the resistance. At around the halfway point, the resistance will change just slightly so that there is just a slight amount less resistance when opening / unscrewing.

At this point, I slowly close it in quarter turn increments after every 5 second drag until its only open 1 quarter of a turn. Then I simply open it a quarter turn when it needs more liquid, after a good vape or two Ill close it a quarter turn (so that its only open one quarter of the way).

I havent flooded the atty using this method and I get consistency every time.

Even if you flood the atty, I have found you dont need to take the whole unit apart, just keep the draw ring at 1 quarter turn from closed and vape for awhile. It wont produce alot of vapor but you will still get the flavor and nicotine kick - just may take a few more hits than normal. Then, once you have burned off the fluid in the atty (which may take a few hours - it did for me 2 nights ago), just fluctuate between one quarter turn open and one half turn open as needed.

One quick disclaimer however, the thickness of the fluid and the atomizer will change all of this slightly. Remember that not all 901's are made the same, I have 2 901s that have different size holes on the side so this changes things a bit.

I really think the draw ring would benefit from have some little 'nicks' in the metal at the 12, 3, 6, and 9 o'clock positions. This way, all of this could be done by feel and with a bit more accuracy...

 

[booker]

36mg on AVS. Crazy stuff!