Just Got New Riva 510 That ECF Folks Recommended But Cartos LEAK!!

[monnie788]

Hi. I posted here back at the end of last month about the experience I had with my first e-cig kit. After much reading and advice I got from some of you nice people I got the Riva 510 Special Edition Kit from LF. I ordered this kit of the Riva kits offered because it came with the usb charger and the main charger, the main charger not being offered with other kits because with those kits you get a carrying case. I ordered and received my juice from a vendor before I got my kit (Cyber-Monday, 30% off everything - couldn't pass that up) so I sat patiently waiting for the kit and a bottle of my juice "steep" - LOL! Finally got the kit yesterday. This kit came with attys and cartridges instead of cartos. Everyone said cartos were great because you don't have to fill them as often so I decided to get a couple of cartos on the side. LF, for some reason, has been out of stock of the Boge 510 LR cartos for as long as I've been looking at their website and I hated to go to another vendor right off the bat to buy a couple of cartos because LR's shipping rate is so reasonable. So I opted for the SmokeTech Ego Carto, 2.0, 4.5 ml capacity. They sold them as singles so I just bought two. I've used pre-filled cartridges before with attys built in (I guess this could be classified as a "carto" but they were very small) but the pre-filled ones did not last and I determined juice was the way to go. SO I'm really excited about trying a carto. I let my battery charge the full 8 hours as recommended. Got my juice out, I got a syringe with a needle from the vendor, and decided to fill the carto with this. Filled syringe to 2 ml, put needle at bottom of carto depressing, working up the filler as I depressed. This carto has a lot of filler. Read where filler should look kind of "slushy" so I added a few drops with my bottle dropper. ANY WHO, got leakage from bottom. There's no way I put over 4.5 ml in the sucker (I'm a very directions oriented person so I tend to do as directed) so I don't think I overfilled. Wiped off the leakage, and bottom of carto, washed my hands and proceeded to try vaping. When I pushed in my button I heard this loud popping and crackling, popping so loud I jumped! The other e-cig I had only made a sort of "airy, very slight crackling" noise so I know you're supposed to hear noise with the manual. OK - bottom line - what's going on with this carto? A lot of filler, could not have possible put in over 4.5 ml, leaking, popping like a shotgun. I've put in more juice after vaping off of it a while, get leakage, still popping. The carts and attys don't do this - sound the way they should and no leakage albeit you can't put as much in the cartridges. Good vapor and TH off the atty and cartridge, carto good first draw but after that vapor diminishes. I just ordered from Crystal Clear Vape their 15 pack of Boge cartos, 2.0 and 3.0. Wonderful deal and free shipping. I've been seeing different threads on these SmokeTech 1.7 cartos (mine is a 2.0) the 1.7 being what CCV calls "The Resurrector". People have been having trouble with different packaging - clear vs the green package they usually come with (mine from LF came in clear packaging) - talk of burnt taste, LOUD popping and crackling. Can someone tell me what could be going on with the SmokeTech carto I bought?

 

[madjack]

...my thoughts...from your description, it sounds like it is not filled...crackling and popping is normal for LR gear...bottom line, it sounds defective...one question...didja avoid putting juice directly in the center air hole...putting juice directly in/on this hole may result in leakage...filled or not............
madjack

 

[monnie788]

...my thoughts...from your description, it sounds like it is not filled...crackling and popping is normal for LR gear...bottom line, it sounds defective...one question...didja avoid putting juice directly in the center air hole...putting juice directly in/on this hole may result in leakage...filled or not............
madjack

I thought, too, that it may not be filled hence the crackling and loud popping. But if it's 4.5 capacity is it best to fill it to almost that capacity? I put in at the most 2 - 2.4 ml, got the leaking and was afraid to put in any more even though the filler did not look like it was saturated enough to me. No, I didn't fill or drip directly into the center but around the sides next to the carto wall and then some about midway to the middle. I'm new at all this and I'm trying to gather as much info as I can to have a pretty good idea what to do. I appreciate your response - analogs are nasty but they're sure a heck of a lot easier!!

 

[madjack]

...there is a definite learning and convenience curve to these things and they will never be as easy as funkarettes...you should always fill a new carto to capacity, especially on the first fill...didja try the second one??? This is just one of the reasons I don't like these giant cartos...they take a lotta juice to fill and if they go wrong you have lost a lotta juice...I truly dunno but it does sound defective...I'm sorry, I don't have anything more for ya, other than trying another one..................
madjack

 

[swedishfish]

I've never tried them. Reading the description it says they're labeled as dual coil, but they aren't dual coil. I'd contact LF on Monday, and wait for the boge cartos to come in. Even if you didn't put in 4.5 ml, it's still a lot of juice to waste if they aren't working properly. Since they hold so much filler, it might take a while for it to start to work properly, and the juice to get completely absorbed. If you get any burnt taste at all, add more juice.

 

[JollyRogers]

Hey Monnie. Are these the big smoktec dual coil cartomizers that fit so nicely on the Riva/eGo batts. If so, I bought 5 of them for my epipemod and though I love them, I noticed the two things you point out in your post. First off, when I filled mine, I just kept dripping into it and rolling it as the filler soaked up. It didn't seem to hold much as it should and then I got leakage out the bottom also. I clean up and just vaped it. They work great though, but I think if you try to put a lot in them, they leak out the bottom. So I do an initial fill then just top off as needed by dripping. Yes, they do pop and crackle. In fact with a fresh filled cart it will spit liquid out into my mouth. So I also will clear the tube before using by blowing gently into a paper towel before putting on my batt. The cart will last me the whole workday though. Great flavor and vapor production. I have been using one cart on my pipe and one on my ego for over a month, and both are running strong still. I really like them.

Electronic Cigarette - Cartomizers - Smok Tech Cartomizers They have both the single coil and dual coil smoktek cartomizers. I have the dual coil ones, but got them somewhere else (for more money) I will keep them around as I really like them for my pipe and for the eGo batts.

 

[dormouse]

Cartridges should look slushy. Cartomizers should be filled to capacity and you do have you block the threaded end hole while you do that, then clean it up and then settle - I lay it on different sides and stand it ont he threaded end over 15-20 minutes w/ thinner juices 20% VG or less. My cartos don't leak.

That said I have never heard of or used a 4.5ml carto. In general it is harder to use huge cartos. Some need more than one filling method (one to get juice into the bottom and one for the top).

 

[JollyRogers]

dormouse, I usually hate cartomizers, but I have the eGo style DC type. I fill and let it sit - sometimes over night. Didn't have problems with other carts laking, but these seem to be prone to it when filling. Otherwise, They work great, and you should give them a try, especially if you have ego/riva batts. Plus the soft rubber mouth piece is great for chewing on

 

[swedishfish]

Cartridges should look slushy. Cartomizers should be filled to capacity and you do have you block the threaded end hole while you do that, then clean it up and then settle - I lay it on different sides and stand it ont he threaded end over 15-20 minutes w/ thinner juices 20% VG or less. My cartos don't leak.

That said I have never heard of or used a 4.5ml carto. In general it is harder to use huge cartos. Some need more than one filling method (one to get juice into the bottom and one for the top).

I've used the EMDCC and the Echo-e cartos that were large capacity like that. I did use the syringe & drip because like you said you really need two ways to fill them. And let them sit quite awhile to make sure the juice is completely absorbed. If you pour a bunch of juice in at once it won't absorb quickly enough and it'll leak. You can't hurry them. Add juice, come back, add more, etc.

Then when you start vaping with them it does take a while for the whole carto to get heated I guess. The longer you use them the better they seem to get. Anyway, that's my experience with them.

Edit: I found they both hold around 3 mls.

 

[monnie788]

I've never tried them. Reading the description it says they're labeled as dual coil, but they aren't dual coil. I'd contact LF on Monday, and wait for the boge cartos to come in. Even if you didn't put in 4.5 ml, it's still a lot of juice to waste if they aren't working properly. Since they hold so much filler, it might take a while for it to start to work properly, and the juice to get completely absorbed. If you get any burnt taste at all, add more juice.

Hi Swedenfish - yeah, I noticed when I got it that on the outside of the carto it says "SmokTech Dual Coil" and I thought "I didn't order dual coil" so I went back to LF to check my order and then saw on the Carto page where I got this that even thought it says "Dual Coil" it's NOT dual coil - something about having to use spare parts to keep down the cost? Anyway, yeah, 4.5 ml is ALOT of juice and to tell you the truth I didn't even notice it had that capacity until I went back to check about the dual coil situation. I'm just starting out on this vaping (went two weeks w/o an analog after I got my first kit but had to start them again until I got in the Riva Kit) and I'm experimenting with juices, carts/attys vs cartos, etc. MadJack in his post above is right - that's way to much juice to use if you're not sure you're even going to like the juice. I'd rather just stick with a lower capacity carto right now until I get my feet wetter. I'm excited about the Boge 510 cartos I just ordered from CCV - in fact in my very first post here I believe you were the one who acquainted me with cartos vs. carts/attys and recommeneded Boge. When surfing around the forum on threads that I'm that interest me I always see you and MadJack giving advice and I tell you guys it is so appreciated from us newbies. Another question, do you ever get a little bit of the juice on your lips and is it harmful if you do? I always heard that 1 drop of nicotine in it's purest form is a poison and will kill you so I'm wiping my lips like a mad woman if I get the slightest feel of juice on them - LOL! My next quest for info is how to clean attys and cartos. There's so much to learn! I guess that's why the pre-filled cartridges I got from V2 Cigs were pretty great since all you did was take off one and screw on a new one - except they didn't last long at all. Getting used to the Riva size - much bigger and rounder than my first e-cig. Also not crazy about the rubber flat tip that came on the SmokeTech carto - I prefer the mouthpiece as it is on cartridges. Feel like I'm smoking a "hookah" with the rubber one! Thanks for your advice - I truly appreciate it. Also, love your Avatar - very elegant!

 

[swedishfish]

Oh I hate the rubber tips with a passion. I always order drip tips. For the boge cartomizers the standard 510 drip tips work. For the bigger cartomizers, the ego type work.

One drop of pure nicotine maybe but your juice is probably 1.8% or something like that. None of the premixed juice we use is lethal if we get a drop on us.

Let the big carto sit for a bit to make sure the juice is really absorbed. I mentioned to Dormouse that when I fill the big cartos, if you try to fill them too fast, they will leak. It's a slower process to fill than the 1.0 ml cartomizers, but they do hold a lot and don't have to be topped off as often. If you look at it and it looks really white, add a couple more drops to it. It should improve. But if it doesn't, contact LF. I don't think there is anyone there on the weekends but they reply very quickly.

Also,make sure to review everything you bought. You get a 49 cent credit for each item you review.

 

[monnie788]

Cartridges should look slushy. Cartomizers should be filled to capacity and you do have you block the threaded end hole while you do that, then clean it up and then settle - I lay it on different sides and stand it ont he threaded end over 15-20 minutes w/ thinner juices 20% VG or less. My cartos don't leak.

That said I have never heard of or used a 4.5ml carto. In general it is harder to use huge cartos. Some need more than one filling method (one to get juice into the bottom and one for the top).

Hi Dormouse - Yeah - 4.5ml! I just told Swedenfish below that I didn't even notice that when I ordered them. Thank goodness I only got 2. I will save the other one until I know more what I'm doing and become a vet at vaping. But that's still quite large unless you've found a juice you really love - I am still in the "trying out" stage ordering sample bottles and half ounce bottles so it wouldn't take long to go through a whole bottle at that capacity. I'm going to wait for the Boge's I ordered from CCV - I think they said 1ml capacity and just use the cartridges and attys I got with my kit. They're pretty much no brainers on filling though not as convenient and long lasting. And yes I did see the word "slushy" in reference to how the filler should look although I didn't get the impression that you should be able to ring it out like a wash rag - LOL! Thanks so much for your input - I really appreciate it!!

 

[pnc81498]

They hold a bunch but these take a bunch of time on initial fill I have 2 boxes of the marked dual coil but there not it's a test batch or something if you read the description LF put together. They do work great but use a fill method where u can capture anything that leaks. Once you have that down pat these are great IMO.

 

[madjack]

...the occasional drop of liquid will not kill you...or even make you sick but, it may give a burning sensation on sensitive tissue...cleaning attys and cartos...there are a ton of youtube videos on such...I don't uses attys enough to matter...I have cleaned cartos using the boil and rinse 3 times method...I found it of limited effectiveness, they will never perform the same...I do clean and keep a few around for "just in case"...regular cartos like the Boges are cheap enough that after a week, just toss and grab another and keep on vaping............
madjack

 

[swedishfish]

They hold a bunch but these take a bunch of time on initial fill I have 2 boxes of the marked dual coil but there not it's a test batch or something if you read the description LF put together. They do work great but use a fill method where u can capture anything that leaks. Once you have that down pat these are great IMO.

That's good to know! How do you fill yours?

 

[monnie788]

Oh I hate the rubber tips with a passion. I always order drip tips. For the boge cartomizers the standard 510 drip tips work. For the bigger cartomizers, the ego type work.

One drop of pure nicotine maybe but your juice is probably 1.8% or something like that. None of the premixed juice we use is lethal if we get a drop on us.

Let the big carto sit for a bit to make sure the juice is really absorbed. I mentioned to Dormouse that when I fill the big cartos, if you try to fill them too fast, they will leak. It's a slower process to fill than the 1.0 ml cartomizers, but they do hold a lot and don't have to be topped off as often. If you look at it and it looks really white, add a couple more drops to it. It should improve. But if it doesn't, contact LF. I don't think there is anyone there on the weekends but they reply very quickly.

Also,make sure to review everything you bought. You get a 49 cent credit for each item you review.

Is that from LF or CCV? I ordered the Boges from CCV and I got 2 Black Drip Tips - are those better than the rubber ones? I just like the tips that are like a cap you snap on the end of the cartridge or carto with a little hole in the middle. That rubber flat tip one has a big "slash" for a hole and doesn't feel at all like smoking a cig - more like a pacifier!

 

[swedishfish]

Sorry. Review everything you bought at Liberty Flights. For each review, you get a 49 cent credit.

The drip tips from CCV and the nice ones with the hole.

 

[monnie788]

Hey Monnie. Are these the big smoktec dual coil cartomizers that fit so nicely on the Riva/eGo batts. If so, I bought 5 of them for my epipemod and though I love them, I noticed the two things you point out in your post. First off, when I filled mine, I just kept dripping into it and rolling it as the filler soaked up. It didn't seem to hold much as it should and then I got leakage out the bottom also. I clean up and just vaped it. They work great though, but I think if you try to put a lot in them, they leak out the bottom. So I do an initial fill then just top off as needed by dripping. Yes, they do pop and crackle. In fact with a fresh filled cart it will spit liquid out into my mouth. So I also will clear the tube before using by blowing gently into a paper towel before putting on my batt. The cart will last me the whole workday though. Great flavor and vapor production. I have been using one cart on my pipe and one on my ego for over a month, and both are running strong still. I really like them.

Electronic Cigarette - Cartomizers - Smok Tech Cartomizers They have both the single coil and dual coil smoktek cartomizers. I have the dual coil ones, but got them somewhere else (for more money) I will keep them around as I really like them for my pipe and for the eGo batts.

Hi! No, these are single coil but on the outside of the carto it says "Dual Coil" - they are doing a test batch or something and using spare parts to keep down the cost. Yes, they fit great on the Riva. However, I don't think I'm ready for that large of a capacity carto right now. I don't want to have to spend an hour filling, swirling, laying it down, picking it up, squirting here and there, laying it down again - shoot by that time I'll have 3 analogs smoked - ! I'm just going to start out smaller on capacity until I know what I'm doing then I'll bring out the "big dog" and load 'er up! Mine was just leaking and I guess I wasn't filling it correctly by using the "patience method". And as for the pop and crackle, the crackle's not bad but I'm telling you when I first pressed the switch the pop that came out of the sucker made me jump 3 feet! Scared the crappola out of me -!! But I will press onward and hope for better things. I do appreciate your response!!

 

[monnie788]

Sorry. Review everything you bought at Liberty Flights. For each review, you get a 49 cent credit.

The drip tips from CCV and the nice ones with the hole.

LOL! Isn't it funny how we'll stick chemically induced cigarettes into our mouths, bum another brand off someone else even though it might gag us, even dig butts out of the ashtray if we've run out of analogs but when it comes to vaping all of a sudden I want everything to be "just so"! Mental -!

 

[monnie788]

...the occasional drop of liquid will not kill you...or even make you sick but, it may give a burning sensation on sensitive tissue...cleaning attys and cartos...there are a ton of youtube videos on such...I don't uses attys enough to matter...I have cleaned cartos using the boil and rinse 3 times method...I found it of limited effectiveness, they will never perform the same...I do clean and keep a few around for "just in case"...regular cartos like the Boges are cheap enough that after a week, just toss and grab another and keep on vaping............
madjack

Good to know that it won't kill me otherwise I'd have to go back to analogs! Just kidding - thanks so much - I know I still have a lot of reading and viewing to do before I get all this down pat. But I'm starting to think it would be easier to learn how to speak Chinese !