Just started vaping - having trouble with Space Jam juices

[edjammies]

Hey all, just joined the forum today! I just started vaping about a week ago and I wanted to get some opinions about my issue regarding some juices.

I'm using a K100 with an Igo-w mod. The first two flavors I started using were Belgian Cocoa from Halo and Fruity Mix Menthol from Flavorz by Joe. Since the first few days I started, I would generally vape 20-30 hits a day and would have no problems, no coughing or anything. But I just got some new juices by Space Jam: Astro and Andromeda. When I vape those Space Jam juices, I got struck by a ton of dizziness and lightheaded-ness after just a few hits. I would also get a little bit of lung irritation that I never had before when vaping Space Jam.

I've never had any issues before with my Halo or Flavorz by Joe juices before. I only had problems when I tried the Space Jams. Has anyone else had similar issues with Space Jam juices? I've heard that the Space Jams could be higher in PG which could be causing me issues.

Some more side information: I only smoke 0 nicotine juices. I've also never smoked anything before in my life so no cigs, hookah, or pot. Could it just be coincidence that my body is trying to get used to vaping when I tried the Space Jams?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

 

[Dakota Jim]

The dizziness and lightheadedness sounds like too much nic (are the bottles clearly marked as 0 nic?) Did you get them from a different vendor and are they in the signature glass bottles with eye dropper

You may want to contact who you got it from and ask them if they are sure of the nic level on them

a week of vaping and you are on a mechanical already? Make sure you are not vaping at too high of power as this may cause issues like you describe also.

I normally do not recommend that nonsmokers (or nontobacco users even) start vaping for any reason even if it is 0 nic - smokers do it for tobacco harm reduction - It is not proven 100% safe and to start vaping for reasons other than tobacco harm reduction do not make any sense to me (other than there is a B&M vape shop every 10-20 feet in California)

My 2 cents - and welcome to ECF

 

[edjammies]

Thanks for the tip. I got them from a brick-and-mortar vendor called cloudscape vape. They're all labeled 0nic and come in the dropper bottles. But I have noticed that the Space Jam juices are much more viscous than my Halo juice; could the added viscosity be a sign that it has nicotine in it?

I actually started with a mechanical; it's the first thing I started vaping on. 'Double coil' I believe it was the term that was used when I got it set up. Not sure about the power levels, but the first few days of vaping were fine for me. I would also alternate between vaping directly into my lungs, or just inhaling enough to fill my mouth.

There are quite a bit of vape shops in my area actually; I have about 5-6 within 2 miles of me

A couple pics of my setup in case that can provide more info

 

[*deleon517*]

thinner juice is means more pg in it, pg can be harsh to some people. What I would caution you with is a mechanical with a rebuildable, you should know what ohm's your at, and check the resistance daily. Something as simple as a accidental knock-over can move the coil out of place and that can end very badly.

Things you will want to have, no if and or buts: ohm checker or multi-meter, good quality batteries (most vape shops in my area don't sell anything I would put in a mech mod), an understanding of ohm law and battery safety.

Dual coils is very harsh and the lower the resistance the harsher the juice will hit. I vape a sub-ohm setup up be prefer single coil, there is no one size fits all and a shop that set's it up to their liking is doing you a disservice.

 

[Dogeggs]

Could be that your juice is burning and the smoke is making you cough, learn all about everything deleon mentioned before you go any further with it.

 

[Joey13091]

Is it me, or does it seem that more and more people that never had a nic or tabacco addiction before, are starting up vaping?

I don't get it.....:what::what::what:

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[*deleon517*]

Those coils look terrible imho, its time to rebuild that bad boy. I would recommend building around 1.2-1.5ohm until you have a better understanding of it all. Showing us dosen't tell much because there are too many gauge wire options, that could be a 1 ohm coil or it can be a .2ohm coil. there is big difference there and not knowing much about the batteries you have or your working knowledge is very scary.

 

[edjammies]

Wow, thank you for all the info deleon. I seem to be in over my head about this. Is there a thread on here I can read up on that has more info on ohms and wire options? I'll have to go to my local vape shop and really get into the details about this before vaping again.

 

[Fast and Furious]

The dizziness and lightheadedness sounds like too much nic (are the bottles clearly marked as 0 nic?) Did you get them from a different vendor and are they in the signature glass bottles with eye dropper

You may want to contact who you got it from and ask them if they are sure of the nic level on them

a week of vaping and you are on a mechanical already? Make sure you are not vaping at too high of power as this may cause issues like you describe also.

I normally do not recommend that nonsmokers (or nontobacco users even) start vaping for any reason even if it is 0 nic - smokers do it for tobacco harm reduction - It is not proven 100% safe and to start vaping for reasons other than tobacco harm reduction do not make any sense to me (other than there is a B&M vape shop every 10-20 feet in California)

My 2 cents - and welcome to ECF

Bold text above for emphasis. Well said and true from my point of view as well.

Space Jam? Does it make much more 'vapor' than others you use? In my short time vaping I have found higher 'VG' (Vegetable Glycerin') content burns my throat; the opposite of what I was told to expect. Also feel it my chest, head and in general do not like the feeling at all.

More 'PG' (Propylene Glycol) for flavor helped of course - but I could fart more 'vapor' with a high 'PG' and low 'VG' content. I am still trying to come to grips with the 'mixes'. No suggestion here other than as suggested, "call the vendor... describe issue and hope they are straightforward with answers".

Nicotine should not add to viscosity as far as I have read. It can increase the ever-popular "throat hit" which is nothing LESS THAN "throat irritation" to me.

At 24mg nicotine per milliliter of 'VG' / 'PG' or combination of each I know I did get more 'throat irritation'; dropped the 'PG' per recommendations and increased the 'VG' and it worsened (opposite of expected).

Left nicotine at 24mg and tried ZERO 'VG' and all 'PG' and irritation was nearly gone.

Dropped nicotine to 12mg and then added 'VG' (50%) back in and the irritation was back (again opposite of typically seen).

Dropped nicotine to 'ZERO'mg and left 'VG' / 'PG' at 50%-50% and the irritation was still present (nicotine eliminated as a cause).

Left nicotine at 'ZERO'mg and changed to 'PG' only the irritation was gone again.

One final try at upping the 'VG' and the irritation returned. Darn!

Conclusion was: Higher than 20% 'VG' is no good for Tom; now at 80% 'PG' and 20% 'VG' with minimal issues - but as noted, "lousy vapor"....... lots of "flavor" (TOO MUCH for my taste). It's a Catch-22 for me.

I am planning on learning more about the TYPE OF FLAVORING used as I understand it CAN cause my issues. A slow process and i wonder if the "type" of 'flavoring' could contribute to your issue. Someone will probably have "facts" on that; it may be the culprit in your case - but I DO NOT KNOW for certain.

Probably NO help for your issue - just info from my unusual experience; which, I should add, several people have questioned /disputed. These so-called "experts" were NOT typical of the majority of folks I follow here on ECF. However, it showed 'me' that not all those who claim to be "experts" qualify. I am in to NO degree and "expert"; I can just describe my "atypical experience" with e-liquids.

Now to get myself in trouble: YOU NOTE: "Some more side information: I only smoke 0 nicotine juices. I've also never smoked anything before in my life so no cigs, hookah, or pot. Could it just be coincidence that my body is trying to get used to vaping when I tried the Space Jams?

Why even start? You never smoked cigarettes - don't let these things into your life! It is not 'cool' - it is as you are finding a pain in the rear. It is an aid to get off cigarettes for most people. Beyond that, "it is as big a waste of money as smoking, the ill-effects are unknown and starting flat out seems foolish. On this I am firm - no need to 'vape' - period.

Tom

 

[*deleon517*]

here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ncerns-questions-please-help-me-out-here.html

and here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

Baditude is sort of the battery go to guy on here. most of us just strive to simply post before baditude does.

 

[edjammies]

Tom:

Yes, the Space Jams actually produce A LOT more vape than my previous juices. Thanks for the advice; I can only assume that the mix ratio must be different. Similarly, the Space Jams are also MUCH more flavor intense than any other juice I've tried. I'll have to contact the manufacturers and ask what their ratios of PG and VG are to compare the results.

I'm getting the idea that my Space Jams most likely contain nicotine as I do experience the throat hit when I vape them, even though they're labeled as 0nic.

Deleon:

Thanks for the links! Will definitely give them a thorough read.

 

[SMP1121]

I have used Space Jam's Eclipse and Omega and have found that I can only use these at a lower voltage because they are so strong in throat hit and flavor. And I only use them when I crave a "real" cigarette. My bf has the same experience with these.

Since you never smoked (sigh...I wish this wasn't so trendy...) I'm not surprised you are having a hard time with this brand.

Also, your coils look burned/gunked so maybe you should clean them.

But, I have found Space Jam to be far and away stronger than any other juice that I have tried.

 

[Botomline]

I'm still puzzling over why you would want to do this if you've never smoked? Sorry, but after smoking for 40 years, I just can't come up with a good reason to do this otherwise.

 

[edjammies]

Ah I see, thanks a lot for your input SMP1121. I thought it was just me being sensitive to it because I would also feel quite a throat hit from it. Glad to know it isn't just me. I'll def bring my setup to the person who built it for me for a check.

As for the people who are wondering why I started this, it's because I have GAD. Just the sensation of vaping has been able to ease the edge off my anxiety quite a bit since I started. I'm more than aware that it's a placebo effect(especially because I vape 0nic), but regardless, it helps me relax.

 

[puffntuff]

is it just me or might this be the trend that may put harsh restrictions on this industry. Cigarette replacement or cigarette substitute vs. blowing clouds & blowing up batteries. no fight intended just an opinion

 

[Botomline]

As for the people who are wondering why I started this, it's because I have GAD. Just the sensation of vaping has been able to ease the edge off my anxiety quite a bit since I started. I'm more than aware that it's a placebo effect(especially because I vape 0nic), but regardless, it helps me relax.

Something I hadn't thought of. If it works more power to you then. I know many of us who smoked would say the act itself had a calming effect so I understand. Best of luck.

 

[PrimeKB]

Is it me, or does it seem that more and more people that never had a nic or tabacco addiction before, are starting up vaping?

I don't get it.....:what::what::what:

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I don't get it either...... and it's pissing me off... this is NOT what we need the FDA to see.

 

[DSFA]

Put the "I never smoked anything before in my life" aside... Does anyone else have a problem with the fact that the B&M sold this guy something that could potentially blow his hand off, didn't teach him anything about it, and sent him on his way? This isn't an ego with pro tank we're talking about here. His first experience with an ecig is a mech?

I'm all for capitalism and the free market yada yada yada, but damn... when you sell stuff that can injure people if not handled properly, a business owner has an obligation to educate their customers about the proper use of the products they sell. Well, except for that whole gun thing I guess... And if you don't think the regulators are going to look for examples of this as a reason to regulate, think again.

 

[smokken22]

I would bet on the high pg in sj juice being the couse

 

[classwife]

This thread was dug up from February - closing it