KABUKI™ P3 THREAD TANK (HOUSE OF HYBRIDS)

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tearose50

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My thoughts --- try removing the beauty ring. I had a similar experience recently with brand new Radius. We got it off using pliers, brawn and one of those rubbery jar openers. (if you don't have one try a wide rubber band.) One the beauty ring was off, the rest was "normal" and easy.

I can only assume that I crossthreaded the connection -- but how in the world the beauty ring was the hang up is a mystery. I'm just glad it was fixed, no damage and no issue since.

I only suggest as I was sure I'd either be buying new 510 connector parts and/or sending to HOH with a plea for Help!

Good luck --- wrench, freezer, lube or Zen to the rescue --- it will get handled!
 
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Say what you want about me... Gertrude doesn't deserve to be insulted.

The "cheap 5¢ drip tip" won a design competition, by the way.
I love the drip tip and have gotten used to it and for some reason now prefer the tip!

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I love the drip tip and have gotten used to it and for some reason now prefer the tip!

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Same. Initially I swapped the drip tip out to one of my go to drip tips but have since returned to the stock kabuki tip and like it more than I thought I ever would. Love the press fit as well.

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Same. Initially I swapped the drip tip out to one of my go to drip tips but have since returned to the stock kabuki tip and like it more than I thought I ever would. Love the press fit as well.

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Exactly how it transpired for me as well.

But after reading about the fact that it's not really all that involved in the specific design, I just want back to a standard tip. I know Zen tested and retested everything including many blind taste tests/etc, so I assumed the tip was part of this and thought to myself "if Zen designed it this way, it was likely for a reason".

Maybe there was more reason than I'm realizing though..?

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I know Zen tested and retested everything including many blind taste tests/etc, so I assumed the tip was part of this and thought to myself "if Zen designed it this way, it was likely for a reason".

Maybe there was more reason than I'm realizing though..?

So lets start with something important... I didn't design Gertrude. (Yes, The name of that drip tip is "Gertrude") She was designed by one of my staff members as part of a drip tip design competition we held in the shop, so the employees could experience first-hand, the process of designing and getting a drip tip into production. Gertrude, designed by Dustin Forkell, was the winner of that competition.

So with that being said, There were quite a few reasons why I decided to use the Gertrude Drip Tip on the Kabuki.

1) Every atomizer I ever made in the past did not include a drip tip. I feel those are personal items that the end-user should find which suits their own needs. In the past few years, the Asian imports started including tips, and consumers became accustomed to the practice. They started questioning why my atties didn't include them. My answer was simple and to the point... you're paying for it, even if you don't use it. Nothing that is "included" is actually free.

2) The Kabuki, as it was designed was tested using hundreds of different tips. Yes they can make a difference, and the ones that made the biggest difference also happened to cost the most. My Mini Ionzer performs AMAZING on the kabuki, but the style may not be to your liking. The performance is unquestionable. But it's not inexpensive enough to include with raising the price to be well over $100.00 for the atty/tip combo. I made the decision to NOT include the tip, yet again. The Kabuki was going to ship without a tip, in keeping with my original marketing.

3) When I came up with the packaging concept, I realized that there needed to be a way to sandwich the tank between the base unit and the top, so it would not become dislodged in shipping. We had just finished up the Drip Tip design competition that we were doing among the employees, and the winning tip was placed on top of a Kabuki to see if it was the correct height to solve the problem, and it was dead-on... it engaged the top of the package correctly and everything was snug. It isn't an expensive tip to manufacture, because for the Kabuki it would mean we were going to be making them 10,000 at a time... The tip also happened to perform exceptionally well on the tank, but it really only made it on there because it was an inexpensive solution to a pretty major packaging problem.

The Gertrude tip is what it is; Inexpensive, and it performs very well. She's not going to win any beauty contests, but as a friction fit tip, it's a really solid performer. The Mini ionizer and the Mini Tower REALLY show off the performance, but doggone it, Gertrude comes bloody well close, for a fraction of the price, and actually fits more solidly as well.

Sooooooo..... a lot of thought did go into it, yes, performance was important, but price is everything, especially since I didn't want to add anything that would drive the price up any higher. It's all about the value. Gertrude is packing material, basically... but it performs exceptionally well in spite of the reasons that led to her being included with each and every Kabuki!
 

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So lets start with something important... I didn't design Gertrude. (Yes, The name of that drip tip is "Gertrude") She was designed by one of my staff members as part of a drip tip design competition we held in the shop, so the employees could experience first-hand, the process of designing and getting a drip tip into production. Gertrude, designed by Dustin Forkell, was the winner of that competition.

So with that being said, There were quite a few reasons why I decided to use the Gertrude Drip Tip on the Kabuki.

1) Every atomizer I ever made in the past did not include a drip tip. I feel those are personal items that the end-user should find which suits their own needs. In the past few years, the Asian imports started including tips, and consumers became accustomed to the practice. They started questioning why my atties didn't include them. My answer was simple and to the point... you're paying for it, even if you don't use it. Nothing that is "included" is actually free.

2) The Kabuki, as it was designed was tested using hundreds of different tips. Yes they can make a difference, and the ones that made the biggest difference also happened to cost the most. My Mini Ionzer performs AMAZING on the kabuki, but the style may not be to your liking. The performance is unquestionable. But it's not inexpensive enough to include with raising the price to be well over $100.00 for the atty/tip combo. I made the decision to NOT include the tip, yet again. The Kabuki was going to ship without a tip, in keeping with my original marketing.

3) When I came up with the packaging concept, I realized that there needed to be a way to sandwich the tank between the base unit and the top, so it would not become dislodged in shipping. We had just finished up the Drip Tip design competition that we were doing among the employees, and the winning tip was placed on top of a Kabuki to see if it was the correct height to solve the problem, and it was dead-on... it engaged the top of the package correctly and everything was snug. It isn't an expensive tip to manufacture, because for the Kabuki it would mean we were going to be making them 10,000 at a time... The tip also happened to perform exceptionally well on the tank, but it really only made it on there because it was an inexpensive solution to a pretty major packaging problem.

The Gertrude tip is what it is; Inexpensive, and it performs very well. She's not going to win any beauty contests, but as a friction fit tip, it's a really solid performer. The Mini ionizer and the Mini Tower REALLY show off the performance, but doggone it, Gertrude comes bloody well close, for a fraction of the price, and actually fits more solidly as well.

Sooooooo..... a lot of thought did go into it, yes, performance was important, but price is everything, especially since I didn't want to add anything that would drive the price up any higher. It's all about the value. Gertrude is packing material, basically... but it performs exceptionally well in spite of the reasons that led to her being included with each and every Kabuki!
Great answer! And very entertaining read.

Thanks!

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Well, I'm not sure if the problem is with the P3 connector part, or with the Kabuki... but I'm also not sure if that matters... I would suggest putting the wrench in the airhole of the kabuki, so you can get some leverage, and then using a dime in the P3 /510 adapter... that should do it. Worst case scenario, you could ship it to me and I'll get it freed up, and if I can't, I would replace both parts. Either way, you end up with it working.

Thank you so much Zen for your assistance, and thank you to the others that responded as well (Jwbnyc & Tearose)

My husband used latex gloves, and with leveraging the tank with your wrench and using the dime, was able to dislodge the tank from the base.

I have now thoroughly cleaned the threads with propanol and lubed them with a small amount of electrical grease. I will also ensure I do not over tighten the tank when refilling (hoping that was the problem)

Also got a shipping notification that my new tanks from Spectrum should arrive on Monday, so that I will shortly have 2 Kabukis in full use, Yeah!!!!

Cheers,

Tracy


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Stick in the freezer for a bit, then try again.

Start using some lube.

Also be careful not to cross-thread.
I've had the P3 rings lock to two atomizers in the recent past, and when I say lock, it is like they are welded. On one case the freezer did not help, a pair of 14" pliers was required to separate the outer ring which seemed to be acting as a locknut. The ring was marred, but remained serviceable. I'm planning on stocking up on several sets of P3 rings now...
 
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