Kanger Kbox - good for a noob?

[sincerelysasquatch]

Okay, so I have been vaping my Subvod with toptank and have been pretty satisfied with it, however I am concerned about the authenticity of the product. I have ordered three of them from myvaporstore and there have been a little difference in the products depending on the color, plus I always have trouble with the toptanks, which also seem to vary between the colors. Right now after ordering 3 subvods a couple of months ago I have only one useable tank which leaks frequently no matter what I do, and one of my subvod "batteries?" mods? has a clear film peeling off of it. Anyway, I don't want to figure out whether or not my products are authentic or anything, I just want to go ahead and purchase from a b&m.

I am looking at a kanger kbox 40 watt for $20 with a toptank mini for $35. I have never used anything with removable batteries, or any battery/mod/whatever that wasn't ego-style. I know nothing about mods. Is the kbox okay to start with? Is it a regulated device (I guess those are safer than the other, what IS the other type/types?)? Any tips for batteries? How do you charge it, do you take the batteries out and charge them separately? I've always had a USB charge capability. Also what kind of coils can I use with this setup? The b&m I am going to doesn't have SSOCC which I have been using but the employee I spoke with said I can the use 0.5 ohm kanthal coils. I am concerned about safety.

 

[7sixtwo]

Okay, so I have been vaping my Subvod with toptank and have been pretty satisfied with it, however I am concerned about the authenticity of the product. I have ordered three of them from myvaporstore and there have been a little difference in the products depending on the color, plus I always have trouble with the toptanks, which also seem to vary between the colors. Right now after ordering 3 subvods a couple of months ago I have only one useable tank which leaks frequently no matter what I do, and one of my subvod "batteries?" mods? has a clear film peeling off of it. Anyway, I don't want to figure out whether or not my products are authentic or anything, I just want to go ahead and purchase from a b&m.

I am looking at a kanger kbox 40 watt for $20 with a toptank mini for $35. I have never used anything with removable batteries, or any battery/mod/whatever that wasn't ego-style. I know nothing about mods. Is the kbox okay to start with? Is it a regulated device (I guess those are safer than the other, what IS the other type/types?)? Any tips for batteries? How do you charge it, do you take the batteries out and charge them separately? I've always had a USB charge capability. I am concerned about safety.

My advice is to cease buying Kanger products. They will only continue to disappoint you, and they're priced on the high side.

Buy something like an iStick Pico or Joyetech Cuboid Mini. They are new regulated APV's with many built in safety features. Each device will do 75W, and have a whole slew of features, (including manual TCR settings), that Kanger mods lack. They also come as full kits for $40, including superior tanks that don't leak like Kanger ones do.

The Pico uses removable 18650 batteries, and the Cuboid Mini has an internal ~3000 mah battery. I recommend charging removable batteries externally, but it's not inherently dangerous to charge them through a mod that uses a single 18650 design.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

My advice is to cease buying Kanger products. They will only continue to disappoint you, and they're priced on the high side.

Buy something like an iStick Pico or Joyetech Cuboid Mini. Each device will do 75W, and have a whole slew of features, (including manual TCR settings), that Kanger mods lack. They also come as full kits for $40, including superior tanks that don't leak like Kanger ones do. The Pico uses removable 18650 batteries, and the Cuboid Mini has an internal ~3000 mah battery.

Thank you for your input. I am actually not a fan of joyetech. The istick, is that by a company that makes itaste? I had an itaste vv a few years ago and liked it. Can the pico be readily found in brick and mortar stores?

 

[7sixtwo]

Thank you for your input. I am actually not a fan of joyetech. The istick, is that by a company that makes itaste? I had an itaste vv a few years ago and liked it. Can the pico be readily found in brick and mortar stores?

Why don't you like Joyetech? They've actually been putting out top-notch products, (like the notch coil ), for awhile now, and are on a roll.

iStick devices are Eleaf products, and Eleaf is owned by Joyetech, as is Wismec. I guess you're referring to the iTaste MVP? Those are made by Innokin, which is also a good company. If you'd rather buy one of their mods, look into the CoolFire IV TC100, which uses an internal battery.

The Pico, the Cuboid Mini, and the CoolFire should be available in any decent B&M, but they're a lot cheaper online.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

Sorry, It was an eleaf product I had that I was not happy with. Anyway, I get a bit overwhelmed thinking about all the possibilities. I don't necessarily want the best product. I am happy with my subvod and toptank except for some issues that I think may be attributed to them potentially being knock-offs, but in the past have been happy with kanger products I have bought in-store.

So kanger kbox. How do I charge it, what general knowledge do I need to know using a device with an 18650 battery, which 18650 batteries are safe (I know there are some dangerous ones out there), and what coils can I use with this setup and at what ohms. Is it regulated, temperature-control, etc, and if so what do I need to know about these characteristics and features. Apparently in regards to batteries kanger recommends "cells that operate at 20a"? Is that amps? What is a cell? Do cells or 18650 batteries or whatever come in different amps? Can someone explain that? Is a 40w wattage level ever unsafe with certain tanks, coils, etc. Kbox comes with some safety features, ie. short circuit protection, over-current protection, and reverse battery protection. With these safety features am I fairly safe from having my face blown off? Which coils can I use, and which ones can I not? Explain it to me like I am 5, please. Ha.

 

[7sixtwo]

Like I said, Kanger stuff is, imo, poorly designed. You don't need "the best", but there's no reason to buy more sub-par equipment, e.g. you will continue to have problems with Toptanks/Subtanks leaking through the airflow. They all do it, and there are multiple better options available for the same or less money.

It sounds like you're worried about using batteries that aren't built into the device. That's ok. There are extensive posts/threads on all the details you're asking regarding 18650 batteries. I don't have time to recreate that here. Try a forum search.

Innokin makes some very good internal battery APV's, and are very focused on safety in their designs. Check out the Cool Fire IV TC100: Cool Fire IV TC 100W Temperature Control Vaping System , Innokin iSub V Cool Fire 4 TC100W Aethon Chip Starter Kit and the MVP 3.0 Pro: iTaste MVP 3.0 Pro | Vaporizer - Innokin ,Innokin iTaste MVP 3.0 Pro 60W - Starter kit if you want to trade power for longer battery life, (CF 4 has 3300 mah, MVP 3.0 has 4500 mah).

I'd recommend the Cool Fire 4 over the MVP 3 because it has a lot more functions, significantly more power, and more ergonomic case and button designs. 3300 mah is plenty. Also, it's a little cheaper, probably cause it's Innokin's most popular mod atm. There're reasons for that.

 

[OhTheAgony]

The Toptank is nice bit of kit imo, no reason not to stick to it if you like them.

But from what I gather the Kbox isn't exactly known for it's reliability, you can probably do much do better.

Also, BM stores are no guarantee against fakes unfortunately. Is ordering online completely out of the question for you even if it guarantees you get the authentic product?

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

Like I said, Kanger stuff is, imo, poorly designed. You don't need "the best", but there's no reason to buy more sub-par equipment, e.g. you will continue to have problems with Toptanks/Subtanks leaking through the airflow. They all do it, and there are multiple better options available for the same or less money.

It sounds like you're worried about using batteries that aren't built into the device. That's ok. There are extensive posts/threads on all the details you're asking regarding 18650 batteries. I don't have time to recreate that here. Try a forum search.

Innokin makes some very good internal battery APV's, and are very focused on safety in their designs. Check out the Cool Fire IV TC100: Cool Fire IV TC 100W Temperature Control Vaping System , Innokin iSub V Cool Fire 4 TC100W Aethon Chip Starter Kit and the MVP 3.0 Pro: iTaste MVP 3.0 Pro | Vaporizer - Innokin ,Innokin iTaste MVP 3.0 Pro 60W - Starter kit if you want to trade power for longer battery life, (CF 4 has 3300 mah, MVP 3.0 has 4500 mah).

I'd recommend the Cool Fire 4 over the MVP 3 because it has a lot more functions, significantly more power, and more ergonomic case and button designs. 3300 mah is plenty. Also, it's a little cheaper, probably cause it's Innokin's most popular mod atm. There're reasons for that.

I am looking for something I can easily pick up at a B&M. I am pretty set on the kbox. I like the simplicity and lack of functions, lol. I actually like the functions on it, the LED battery indication and wattage indication. I like having wattage increments vs. fully customize-able wattage. I like how it looks and I like the finish on it. And I like that people say it is comfortable to hold and ergonomic. And I like that it is $20. When I think about it, I think I may ultimately prefer a device with removable batteries since I don't have to buy multiple devices, just have to get more comfortable with battery safety. Do you have a suggestion for a sub-ohm tank that can be readily found at b&m's and aren't too pricey? Up to about $30-40.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

The Toptank is nice bit of kit imo, no reason not to stick to it if you like them.

But from what I gather the Kbox isn't exactly known for it's reliability, you can probably do much do better.

Also, BM stores are no guarantee against fakes unfortunately. Is ordering online completely out of the question for you even if it guarantees you get the authentic product?

I think it may be, yes. Partly because I am so dissatisfied with my current setup and looking for a new setup ASAP and want to get it tomorrow when my husband's paycheck comes through. I have just had it up to here with the leaking. It is annoying not to mention I am running through more juice. I have less leaking if I keep the device upright, which is hard to do with the ego-style of the subvod. If the device even rests at an angle, like in the cup-holder in the car, the tank leaks a lot.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

The Toptank is nice bit of kit imo, no reason not to stick to it if you like them.

But from what I gather the Kbox isn't exactly known for it's reliability, you can probably do much do better.

Also, BM stores are no guarantee against fakes unfortunately. Is ordering online completely out of the question for you even if it guarantees you get the authentic product?

What is unreliable about the kbox?

 

[OhTheAgony]

I think it may be, yes. Partly because I am so dissatisfied with my current setup and looking for a new setup ASAP and want to get it tomorrow when my husband's paycheck comes through. I have just had it up to here with the leaking.

Well, if it's just the leaking that's the priority you could just pick up a new tank tomorrow and take a little more time to pick out a mod that'll last you a while instead of buying one tomorrow that might only cause more frustrations. If that would work for you of course.

Perhaps it's best to stick to the ones with build in batteries for now though. There are couple of nice ones of those out there and it will safe you the head-aches of having to research batteries as well. Because you will need to look in to them a little to assure you will use them safely.

Besides the Coolfire IV 100W TC that 762 suggested the Cuboid mini is another to look at imo. Yeah, it's a Joyetech, get over it..

 

[Hitmetwice]

I am looking for something I can easily pick up at a B&M. I am pretty set on the kbox. I like the simplicity and lack of functions, lol. I actually like the functions on it, the LED battery indication and wattage indication. I like having wattage increments vs. fully customize-able wattage. I like how it looks and I like the finish on it. And I like that people say it is comfortable to hold and ergonomic. And I like that it is $20. When I think about it, I think I may ultimately prefer a device with removable batteries since I don't have to buy multiple devices, just have to get more comfortable with battery safety. Do you have a suggestion for a sub-ohm tank that can be readily found at b&m's and aren't too pricey? Up to about $30-40.

The kbox 40 is outdated and inferior. You certainly do not have to heed the advice you've asked for. Choosing form over function often leads to disappointment. Jus sayin' Cheers.

 

[7sixtwo]

I am looking for something I can easily pick up at a B&M. I am pretty set on the kbox. I like the simplicity and lack of functions, lol. I actually like the functions on it, the LED battery indication and wattage indication. I like having wattage increments vs. fully customize-able wattage. I like how it looks and I like the finish on it. And I like that people say it is comfortable to hold and ergonomic. And I like that it is $20. When I think about it, I think I may ultimately prefer a device with removable batteries since I don't have to buy multiple devices, just have to get more comfortable with battery safety. Do you have a suggestion for a sub-ohm tank that can be readily found at b&m's and aren't too pricey? Up to about $30-40.

Ok, go with the Kanger. It's your money. As for tanks, I'd recommend one that can use Triton and Vaporesso ccell coils, (my favorites).

Here's a list of a few:
Amigo Donner 22
Anyvape Fury Tank
Anyvape SegaTank
Aspire Atlantis
Aspire Atlantis Mega
Aspire Atlantis V2
Aspire Triton
Beyond Vape Silo Beast
EHPRO & Eciggity Morph Tank
Eleaf iJust2
Eleaf Melo
Eleaf Melo 2
Eleaf Melo 3
Freemax Starre
Freemax Starre Pro
Gigue Aeolus Mini
Gigue Aeolus Tank
Ovancl Espole
Playboy Vixen
Science of Vaping Eclipse
Sense Tech Herakles
Smokme Subverter Mini
Sunone Sking Square
Tobeco Super Tank
Tobeco Super Tank Mini
Vapeston Maganus
Vapor DNA Project Sub Ohm Saucecode
Vaporesso Target
Vaporesso Gemini
Vapor-Tek Morpheus
Vapor-Tek Morpheus V2

Of those, the Herakles and the iJust2 are the least expensive, but most all of em are in the $15-$35 range. That's online. I don't know what your local B&M will charge.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

The kbox 40 is outdated and inferior. You certainly do not have to heed the advice you've asked for. Choosing form over function often leads to disappointment. Jus sayin' Cheers.

I did not ask for advice, people gave it unsolicited. I did ask if "the kbox was okay to start with" which I guess is open to interpretation. If you look, I asked for information about the kbox and how to use it safely. I don't have problem using an outdated and inferior device as long as I will be happy with it and it is better than what I am using currently, which I am mostly happy with except for a clear coating film coming off of it after a couple months and the loss of battery life.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

Ok, go with the Kanger. It's your money. As for tanks, I'd recommend one that can use Triton and Vaporesso ccell coils, (my favorites).

Here's a list of a few:
Amigo Donner 22
Anyvape Fury Tank
Anyvape SegaTank
Aspire Atlantis
Aspire Atlantis Mega
Aspire Atlantis V2
Aspire Triton
Beyond Vape Silo Beast
EHPRO & Eciggity Morph Tank
Eleaf iJust2
Eleaf Melo
Eleaf Melo 2
Eleaf Melo 3
Freemax Starre
Freemax Starre Pro
Gigue Aeolus Mini
Gigue Aeolus Tank
Ovancl Espole
Playboy Vixen
Science of Vaping Eclipse
Sense Tech Herakles
Smokme Subverter Mini
Sunone Sking Square
Tobeco Super Tank
Tobeco Super Tank Mini
Vapeston Maganus
Vapor DNA Project Sub Ohm Saucecode
Vaporesso Target
Vaporesso Gemini
Vapor-Tek Morpheus
Vapor-Tek Morpheus V2

Of those, the Herakles and the iJust2 are the least expensive, but most all of em are in the $15-$35 range. That's online. I don't know what your local B&M will charge.

The ijust2 is what I had that I really did not like. I ordered it from evape.us. Thank you for the list though, I will bring it with me and inquire.

 

[OhTheAgony]

What is unreliable about the kbox?

Frankly it was kinda outdated already as soon as it hit the market. But read the thread and make up your own mind: link

Form is the least of my concerns, it is a bonus. I also did not ask for advice, people gave it unsolicited. If you look, I asked for information about the kbox and how to use it safely. I don't have problem using an outdated and inferior device as long as I will be happy with it and it is better than what I am using currently.

You asked if the Kbox was any good (for a noob), so far everyone here is saying it isn't plus they are giving you better options, what more could you want?

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

Frankly it was kinda outdated already as soon as it hit the market. But read the thread and make up your own mind: link



You asked if the Kbox was any good (for a noob), so far everyone here is saying it isn't plus they are giving you better options, what more could you want?

Yeah. sigh. I Just don't know if any of that stuff is carried at the brick and mortar I am going to tomorrow. Not much of it is from brands I have seen around here.

 

[OhTheAgony]

Yeah. sigh. I Just don't know if any of that stuff is carried at the brick and mortar I am going to tomorrow. Not much of it is from brands I have seen around here.

That is probably a good indication that it isn't a very good store

We are not on commission here, we have no personal gain by the advice we give, we're just trying to help you get the best product for your money, that's all.

But the choice is always yours of course.

 

[ej1024]

I'm gonna skip what everybody said...
For NOOB
Go for it!


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[NewbVaper94]

I know you're pretty set on Kbox but ive used it and it was a horrible experience. Tje tank flooded constantly. The mod would suddenly say it short circuited and when i removed the atty and put it back on it would say it was fine. By the end of the experience it would.refuse to read the atty and burned every thing i put in it, even the occ coils.

There sre numerous mods, which i have not used, in the same price range with gar better experiences from the vape community, please dont make the mistake i did.