Kayfun Clarification Please help

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The kayfun by svoemesto , and the Russian by Kebo, are the originators of that rba. The designers split and Kebo was formed. Now they pretty much feed off each others improvements.

All others are clones of these two manufacturers/designers. Had to laugh, Kebo did the Big Russian and then Tobeco clones and calls it a kayfun 26650. :D

With any clones, quality control is going to be a crap shoot, and not all clone are mad equally. Good Luck to You, Have Fun.!!
 

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The Kayfun by SvoeMesto , and the Russian by Kebo, are the originators of that rba. The designers split and Kebo was formed. Now they pretty much feed off each others improvements.

FALSE!!!!

No one at Svoemesto has ever been involved with the development of the Russian. That comes straight from Svoemesto themselves.

The Russian is a Chinese clone of the Kayfun. Plain and simple.



As for who makes the best clone, as many others have said Hcigar and EhPro are the finest Kayfun clones you can buy. Others are good, but not as good as the Hcigar and EhPro.
 

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FALSE!!!!

No one at Svoemesto has ever been involved with the development of the Russian. That comes straight from Svoemesto themselves.

The Russian is a Chinese clone of the Kayfun. Plain and simple.



As for who makes the best clone, as many others have said Hcigar and EhPro are the finest Kayfun clones you can buy. Others are good, but not as good as the Hcigar and EhPro.

Except, from what I hear, with all kayfuns other than the Tobeco, if you loosen the 510 screw to extend it a little further, it then loosens the block, so the coil wiggles around, playing hell with the resistance. With my Tobeco KFL+, I can loosen the 510 screw as much as I like, and the block never even wiggles, it's solid. To me, that's a real improvement over every other kayfun out there.

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Except, from what I hear, with all kayfuns other than the Tobeco, if you loosen the 510 screw to extend it a little further, it then loosens the block, so the coil wiggles around, playing hell with the resistance. With my Tobeco KFL+, I can loosen the 510 screw as much as I like, and the block never even wiggles, it's solid. To me, that's a real improvement over every other kayfun out there.

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Never had that problem with my Hcigar.

I do however have a problem with the smaller juice channels and poor fit of the Tobeco. It doesn't feed high VG juice as well as the Hcigar because it has smaller juice channels, and the fit is just plain sloppy. Nothing on it seems to fit together quite right where my Hcigar fits together so perfectly that you cannot see the seems between the different pieces. I also prefer the threaded drip tip of the Hcigar 3.1 to the threadless Tobeco drip tip that likes to wiggle around and comes off easily if you pull on it at all.


I've got both...

Tobeco
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Hcigar
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Even in these bad pictures you can see how much better the fit is on the Hcigar. The Hcigar looks like it was all machined together as a single piece while the Tobeco looks like a bunch of pieces that were thrown together with little care about the fit and finish of the final RBA.
 
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Hmmm... I haven't had the slightest problem with the threads on my Tobecos; in fact they fit together so tightly that I often have to resort to pliers just to unscrew the pieces. Since I don't like the driptip it came with anyway, I would truly hate it if it threaded in there, preventing me from using other driptips. I always prefer glass, ceramic, or even plastic, to metal driptips, and the one that comes with it is just ugly, it looks like a baby-bottle nipple.

Of course, I have the Tobeco with the "2mm custom airflow" so it's possible that these Tobecos are somewhat better than other Tobecos; perhaps some of the design issues have been addressed, with this version.

But I'm still more glad than I can say, that the driptip doesn't thread in; I would really hate not being able to use the driptip of my choosing. And since I use a kayfun ring as a beauty ring on my sigelei v3 flat-top, to get rid of that unsightly gap, I really like being able to slightly extend the 510 screw without loosening the block. :thumb:

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Whistling is caused by the air inlet having a non tapered entry. You can drill it, just the outer surface, and do away with that whistle forever. Took me just a few seconds with a power drill, but it may be more work than some people like. After handling my buddies Taifun though, I'm not sure I'd buy any more Kayfuns. Taifun is a Kayfun, only the base comes out for rebuilding without having to empty the tank, and it's SO much easier to fill.

Which one are you using? I was thinking of getting a Kayfun, but maybe I'd rather have this.
 

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Here you go , the original's website . Svo
That is their Russian domain and is for Russians customers only. The official SvoёMesto site in Germany where they are now based is here. SvoёMesto | Highend Selbstwickelverdampfer und Akkuträger

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of course but there is, or was, some debate at the time that the Russian 91% could not be classed as a clone of the original Kayfun Lite because it came with airflow control which the KFL didn't have. Semantics? Possibly but it raised a valid point during the 'Clone Wars' that prevailed on many fora at the time.
Think of it this way. You could put a Chevy muffler on a Ford, but it would still be a Ford. The bottom line is someone stole SvoeMesto's Kayfuns exact designs (and changed the airflow) to make the Russians. The Russians are no different than the HCigar, Tobeco, Ehpro or any of the other clones, they just have different names and higher prices.

I'm not trying to stir the pot either, I just believe in calling a spade a spade.

First off thank you Coldrake for that clarification I was starting to wonder myself with all I have heard. I have read about that split a number of times.
You're welcome. :)

The Kayfun by SvoeMesto , and the Russian by Kebo, are the originators of that rba. The designers split and Kebo was formed. Now they pretty much feed off each others improvements.

All others are clones of these two manufacturers/designers. Had to laugh, Kebo did the Big Russian and then Tobeco clones and calls it a Kayfun 26650. :D
Time to put the SvoëMesto KayFun-Russian rumors to rest.

Kebo doesn't manufacture the Russians, in fact they don't manufacture anything. Kebo is only a distributor.

Does anyone know why this myth is so hard to dispel??
The rumors have been spread for so long and so widely everyone assumes them to be fact. That's why I created my blog a few weeks ago.
 
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Which one are you using? I was thinking of getting a Kayfun, but maybe I'd rather have this.

I'm using a Kayfun clone, an older one with the side fill port. As I said, my buddy just got one of the Taifun GTs, and it was his one that I looked at and tried out. It performed just like a Kayfun, and like I said, much easier to fill, and easier to access the coils for rebuilding or even just for fine tuning coil position. The only downside I can see at all is that the airflow control is done by exchanging the air tubes inside the tank. So no on the fly changes, but I'll just be leaving it as wide open as possible, just like I do with the Kayfun, so no issue for me. If I were choosing one today, I'd pick the Taifun, no question. It eliminates some of the most annoying problems with the Kayfun while still essentially being a Kayfun clone with all the same great performance.
 

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This taifun kind of looks like it has adjustable air on the bottom maybe they made an improvement.

$22.42 Taifun GT Style Rebuildable Atomizer (5.0mL) at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
See that little tube sticking up between the two terminals on the second picture? That's the air tube. You can remove it and put in one with a wider opening, lots of people remove them completely. The only thing I don't know, is what size the fasttech one comes with by default. From my understanding it only comes with one so you'd have to purchase an additional one, and they're available in 1.0, 1.2, and 1.5 mm. The one I tried had the airflow tube and insulator removed.

Like I said, the airflow control is definitely not as nice as it is on the Kayfun, and if that's important to you the Kayfuns do work great.
 
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