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I was about to buy a kayfun 3.1 clone last night from hcigar and i ended up backing out.. for the price i want to know i am getting a great product so i want to know what are common issues with the kayfun 3.1 clone. Does it leak do threads strip easily especially with the plastic window how hard or easy is it to refill mainly i am worried about leaks i vape while driving and dont want anything leaking all over me so please i am open to all the pros and cons of the kayfun 3.1 clone let the good and bad comments fly i want true honest reviews
 

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OK, first off, I have a Kebo Russian 91% and a cheap KFL clone from FastTech. That being said, I don't have any experience with the 3.1, but the building deck is the same on both and the only difference, other that the colection tank in the bottom on the 3.1, is that the 3.1 has a fill valve, which I've read that it's best not to use since they tend to weaken over time and leak.

There is a very slim learning curve to build it right, at least it only took me 2 builds to get it right. Once set up right, it will not leak, even laying on its side, upside down... and it wicks like a champ as long as the coil is not tight on the wick and the wick isn't covering the channels.

I ventured into these type of atomizers in November, and ever since I got it, it's all I use for all day, except for here and there using a dripper at the house or playing with other rebuildables for a few hours.
 

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Gonzi:12514945 said:
OK, first off, I have a Kebo Russian 91% and a cheap KFL clone from FastTech. That being said, I don't have any experience with the 3.1, but the building deck is the same on both and the only difference, other that the colection tank in the bottom on the 3.1, is that the 3.1 has a fill valve, which I've read that it's best not to use since they tend to weaken over time and leak.

There is a very slim learning curve to build it right, at least it only took me 2 builds to get it right. Once set up right, it will not leak, even laying on its side, upside down... and it wicks like a champ as long as the coil is not tight on the wick and the wick isn't covering the channels.

I ventured into these type of atomizers in November, and ever since I got it, it's all I use for all day, except for here and there using a dripper at the house or playing with other rebuildables for a few hours.

Ok thanks i am still planning on getting one probably next month. But just wanted everyones good and bad experiences on them

As far as building the coils i dont think ill have a problem i work on electronics all the time as well as computers and use my multimeeter all the time so i think i will have no issue there. Just concerned on the quality and if its woth it. Also want peoples experiences with it thanks
 

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I bought what I believe is an HCigar Kayfun 3.1. My issues have been crunchy threading which has gotten better, and one of the screws was too long and I couldn't trap my wire. I had to cut the screw to fit.

I don't like plastic, mine came with a stainless steel section that I use instead.

I also use 100% VG which I doubt would go through the little fill hole, so I fill from the top. Several videos on how to do this.

No leaks on my end.
 

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Boiler:12515093 said:
I bought what I believe is an HCigar Kayfun 3.1. My issues have been crunchy threading which has gotten better, and one of the screws was too long and I couldn't trap my wire. I had to cut the screw to fit.

I don't like plastic, mine came with a stainless steel section that I use instead.

I also use 100% VG which I doubt would go through the little fill hole, so I fill from the top. Several videos on how to do this.

No leaks on my end.

Thanks loving the comments cant wait to read some more also cant wait to get my kayfun
 

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I picked the Ehpro version, and it is great, there was a small learning curve, but with microcoil cotton build it is just a matter of putting the right amount of cotton in there. Ehpros come with the large plastic tank, and the small plastic tank to use with steel rings.
The treads on the large plastic seemed pretty wonky, the small plastic part is great. KFL's are great everything else I own is collecting dust at this point.
 

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Seems that the QC with the clones is hit and miss, but nothing that keeps the devices from working. I don't remember anyone saying they could not use a clone, but have seen lots of posts saying some work was needed to get them in "fighting shape". I was lucky and was given a Russian for my B-day. I've seen side by side comparisons with a couple of clones, the Kebo Russian, and Russian 91% and they indeed appear to be identical even to the point of interchangeable parts.
I have run into problems with leakage when the fluid level is below the lower extension tube. I downloaded the manual for the Kayfun (the real one...lol) and there is a mention about laying the device on it's side. What can happen is a juice channel gets "exposed" to air when laid on it's side and causes a leak. Guess the vacuum "breaks".
Other than that, it's super easy to build on and I find a coil will seemingly last forever or until I decide I have a better one to try....lol. I've tried silica, Ekowool, and cotton and have been using cotton more, but I do change flavors quite a bit and figured the cotton is cheaper than the other products. I've had good success with silica or cotton.
Hope this helps.....
 

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I'll pipe up here. I jumped on the KF bandwagon about 6 weeks ago. The first one I got (FT russian) and i cannot build it wrong. It just works. No leaks, no gurgling, no dry-hits - it just works. Since then I've bought a couple more. One of the models i bought (the really cheap, $14 one from fasttech (it's a lite version, no AFC) and i can't get this one to *not* leak. I think it has vacuum issues and i can't seem to resolve it. The other KF 3.1 from FT i got is similar to the Russian i have in that it works just as well and is just as reliable. So my only caveat to you is don't get the super Cheap FT lite version, but the rest of mine are simply vaping perfection.
 

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I bought what I believe is an HCigar Kayfun 3.1. My issues have been crunchy threading which has gotten better, and one of the screws was too long and I couldn't trap my wire. I had to cut the screw to fit.

I don't like plastic, mine came with a stainless steel section that I use instead.

I also use 100% VG which I doubt would go through the little fill hole, so I fill from the top. Several videos on how to do this.

No leaks on my end.

I had no issues with my crunchiness with my HCigar Kayfun 3.1 from luxour vapes...
at first I thought my screws weren't stainless steel...then one day I was giving my atomizers, mech mods an ultra sonic bath..threw in HCigar...everything was clean again.

The only complaint I have is the refill process, but it's pretty solid for me. To be quite honest, i was more disappointed in Russian 91% in the center post design, wobby, etc, I know there has been some revisions so maybe they fixed it.

I own real Kayfun lite plus rev 2, now that thing is high quality.
 

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I bought my Kayfun Lite clone off of Ebay. Apparently it was a modified version (new o-rings is really the only thing I can think of) and it was $36.

It does have the screw hole in the bottom for filling, and it works with all my bottles. Needle tip, round tip, doesn't matter. They all fit and all fill.

The threads are buttery smooth, and I have absolutely zero leaks.

I have about 20 other tanks that have been sitting for a week since I've gotten the Kayfun. I can't put it down. Pairing it with my Nemesis was the best thing I've ever done lmao
 

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...The only complaint I have is the refill process...

Filling the Kayfun was the main issue that kept me from getting one. I didn't want to carry around a screwdriver and syringe.

On my Protank I can just dump the juice in straight from the bottle, no implements required.

The guy at the store showed me how to do that on the Kayfun and I don't even have to take it off my mod - I don't know how much easier it could be.
 

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Filling the Kayfun was the main issue that kept me from getting one. I didn't want to carry around a screwdriver and syringe.

On my Protank I can just dump the juice in straight from the bottle, no implements required.

The guy at the store showed me how to do that on the Kayfun and I don't even have to take it off my mod - I don't know how much easier it could be.

There is trick on youtube so you can fill it removing the top, it works 90% of time...hold air flow cover, unscrew, fill it to certain amount, top it....flip, wait for it, let the air flow go...

I get little leakage at times..but a quick wipe with tissue paper does the drink
 

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There is trick on youtube so you can fill it removing the top, it works 90% of time...hold air flow cover, unscrew, fill it to certain amount, top it....flip, wait for it, let the air flow go...

I get little leakage at times..but a quick wipe with tissue paper does the drink

I guess we do the same thing, but I haven't had any leaking problems... yet ;)
 

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I bought a hcigar russian 3.1 about a month ago. I top fill so I do not have to use that side fill port, but since I top fill I stripped the threads on the clear piece. I am using the ss center piece now, but have ordered 5 replacement clear pieces from FT. The hcigar feels more fragile than my FT 91% clone. But they both vape great! It was a game changer for me. I have a pile of Protanks ande vods laying around now that never get used. They are easy enough to build, draw is better looser) on the hcigar, adjustable 510 pin, yeah, it has been great and I expect it to last a long time.
 

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I have 2 hcigar Kayfun 3.1 clones with a third on the way.

I absolutely love them. The threads are very fine, so you must be careful. You also need to clean your kayfun as soon as you receive it to remove any remaining mineral oils.

Both mine have been flawless. I do not use the side fill because that requires a special syringe type bottle and it's one of the main reasons that particular fill method did not carry over to the KFL and KFL+ models.

Top filling has been just fine, however. The HCigar contains both a plastic insert and a stainless insert, so you can choose which one you want to use.

At forty bucks a pop these things are a steal.
 

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ok great post and i am looking to get this Kayfun 3.1 clone from hcigar next month. but yea the only problem i have is i lay my mod on its side in the padded case in my truck while i am driving and i pick it up vape a bit then lay it back down so i just want to make sure i will have no leaks when it is built but if enough people verify that this one from hcigar don't leak then ill probably go for it. also i would really like a link to the original pdf manual for the kayfun 3.1 please
 

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I got a couple of EHPro 3.1 clones.

Out of the box they were pretty, but smelled nasty! There was no way I'd vape that without one heck of a cleaning. I took it all apart and dropped all the bits into a glass of cola to soak for a few hours. Next I gave it a good scrubbing with a tooth-brush and paste...and rinsed it good (I happen to have a cheap ultra sonic cleaner...so I threw it in that as a rinse cycle for good measure...not worth buying such a cleaner just for this...but if you have one...why not?). Finally, just as a precaution to make sure my first fill didn't taste like new stainless steel...I used a q-tip to season and seal the inside of all the parts good with e-liquid (flavorless if you have it...otherwise go with what you'll use on the first fill).

I don't have a bunch of toppers to compare them with, so given that, the build quality comes across as quite good to my eyes. It goes together and comes apart easily, and it vapes and tastes great!

So far I top fill since I don't have the proper size valve needles to try. The main thing to watch for when top filling is to be careful not to lose the little O ring in the top piece that goes around the chimney (if your Kayfun style model has and needs that).

The only leak issues I've had were as follows:
1. Too much wick can sometimes lead to a siphon type effect where a Kayfun that sits a long time in a vertical position might drip down into the air hole and eventually come out of the side air hole. This is a really slow thing however...like maybe a drop or two when the unit is at rest...say, 'over-night'. In my case, I discovered that the secret to preventing this is first...go easy on the wick...it doesn't take much (at least where I like to vape...around 8 watts)...and finally, to make sure NOT to clog the liquid channels with wick...if those are open excess liquid that the wicks are not able to absorb simply goes back down into the tank after a draw.

2. Sometimes when using the 'top fill' method...a bit of liquid can come out of the mouth-piece when you do the tip upside down step and tighten it all down. It probably has to do with when I take my finger off the air hole...or maybe I get it too tight before tipping and the vacume has already shoved in some liquid...I dunno, but it's no big deal here. I just keep a bit of tissue or something in hand as a precaution.

3. If you have to make lots of drastic changes in elevation or temperature over the course of a day it can get the tank out of equilibrium in its rest state and cause flooding. This can hold true for ANY tank system though...even carto-tanks...so if you get on a plane with it...empty the tank first. If you drive in mountains a lot, drip or get a bottom feeder, as most tanks are susceptible to (in the least) not working well if the atmospheric pressure is too low...and if that pressure changes a bunch (you go up and down quickly) it can flood and clog on ya. If you 'occasionally' climb a big hill or two, or maybe your job involves taking a speed elevator to the 30th floor a few times a day...just keep something to wipe with on hand just in case. In short...get a REO for your extended snow ski trips ;)

I've tried a variety of builds in these Kayfun clones, and for me the easiest one to do that flat out works every time with no fiddling or break in period is a microcoil using larger low resistance wire. In my case I got 28 gage AWG 28 Kanthal. With a VV/VW device I just do 14 counter clock-wise tight wraps (around 2 Ohms...or just under) on a 1/16 drill bit, mount it horizontally with very short (almost no) leg length, a few mm above the air hole, fire it one time to make sure it's working ok, then pull a sprig of cotton through the coil. All the fiddly fuss with torches and whatnot trying to make the 'perfect coil' is not necessary most of the time (builds may last longer if you have time to do all the extra steps). You really can skip a bunch of steps (firing with torches before mounting and all that) and just throw a micro-coil together if you're in a hurry and get a great vape.

If I'm going to be 'on the go' for a few days and want to avoid having to toss in a fresh wick as long as possible...I'll sometimes use a little bigger 5/64" jig and thread 3mm silica through a micro-coil. The reason for that is simply that the silica wicks can last a while. For a few flavors I'll even put a thin wrap or two of SS mesh (just enough to wrap the coil around) around a 1mm silica wick (long enough to pick up liquid from the channels)...those can go a good week or more with a clean/clear liquid/flavor (stainless gives a quite different vape texture though...needs some break-in...and brings out different flavor aspects).

Are they worth the trouble to set-up and fill?
Yes! They work so much better than any other tank I've tried. I still use my old tanks in rotation for variety...and that rotation reminds me daily how much better the KayFun style design really is....in fact...if I ever get all the cheap tanks out of rotation....I'll probably have to start cutting my liquids to weaken their flavor a bit! It's that RICH for me.

If you've vaped a while, and intend to continue vaping more than a few months...you can't go wrong picking up at least one of these...even the price of the real thing is well worth it if you know you'll still be vaping months down the road. Oh, and I doubt you'd have problems selling any of them second hand (I think they have to be the real deal to sell here on ECF in the classifieds though?).
 
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ok great post and i am looking to get this Kayfun 3.1 clone from hcigar next month. but yea the only problem i have is i lay my mod on its side in the padded case in my truck while i am driving and i pick it up vape a bit then lay it back down so i just want to make sure i will have no leaks when it is built but if enough people verify that this one from hcigar don't leak then ill probably go for it. also i would really like a link to the original pdf manual for the kayfun 3.1 please

For that price I think you'd be better off waiting until Monday & getting a black edition kayfun clone off a eBay dealer that goes by the name privatedeal2010. It's $49.99 and a hell of a good tank. Nice treads, fill screw at the bottom with o-ring, changeable drip tip, nicer metal than other clones. I've had mine going on two weeks now and not had the first leak, dry burn or any issue at all.
 
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