Kayfun help needed please...

[AndriaD]

I am sorry to hear about the nano kit, I almost bought one of those myself, sounds like I am better off sticking to the standard model.

I would definitely get a proper RDA. I have a purple 'custom' one (can hold around 20 drops of juice), it is far less fiddly to set up than the kayfun (has pillars with holes as build deck) and yes, the flavour is pretty good with it. The one massive plus is the ease of trying out new flavours and not having to waste bucket-loads of juice if something goes wrong with the build.

I will say that the Kayfun is pretty similar in terms of making the juice taste it's best (due to the design being basically a vacuum fed dripper). That is at least with my limited experience of the kayfun compared with my dripper.

Yeah I'm talking to epicdoom in his thread "to all new vapors..." about doing a coil on the Caterpillar; it's a really nice looking one, and has those holes in the posts. It could be used for a dual, but will also work fine with the single coils I prefer. Think I may be ordering one of those tomorrow... it's payday and my husband has a buttload of OT on it.

Andria

PS: I'm not totally done with the nano; maybe there's a different kind of build or wick that would work better with it; got a bunch of silica and ekowool I had stopped using for the kayfun, the cotton is so much better, but I had problems with cotton in the T3S/protank heads, they're so small. I plan to keep trying, because I really do like the smaller size, for out-and-abouts. 1.5ml is fine for a for a quick trip to the grocery store or library.

 

[Dj tank]

Watch this vid from rip... The first one he builds will show you EXACTLY how to trim, prime, and set the wick. I used it my first time and every time since with out issue.

 

[AndriaD]

Rip Tripper just makes me want to slap him.

I did it the way crxess describes/pictures in his blog. It works great! At first I wasn't sure it would, lots of popping and spitting, but it settled down, and it's freaking amazing! Both thumbs up!!!

Andria

 

[NealBJr]

Rip Tripper just makes me want to slap him.

I did it the way crxess describes/pictures in his blog. It works great! At first I wasn't sure it would, lots of popping and spitting, but it settled down, and it's freaking amazing! Both thumbs up!!!

Andria

So far, I have cotton figured out on the kayfun. I do, however, want to go back to trying some silica to see if that works. Having cotton buried deep within worries me, so I'll want to try silica. Also, I have a new wicking material to try out... Peaches and Cream cotton yarn. I have a feeling this might help me to make more consistent builds instead of worrying about how much cotton I used. I have a second kayfun I'll be playing around with. The build I have with my kayfun now is flawless.. perfect juice delivery, no flooding/dry hits. Had the same cotton in for two days. last time I checked, it was still in good contition. took me a few tries to get it this way though.

 

[AndriaD]

So far, I have cotton figured out on the kayfun. I do, however, want to go back to trying some silica to see if that works. Having cotton buried deep within worries me, so I'll want to try silica. Also, I have a new wicking material to try out... Peaches and Cream cotton yarn. I have a feeling this might help me to make more consistent builds instead of worrying about how much cotton I used. I have a second kayfun I'll be playing around with. The build I have with my kayfun now is flawless.. perfect juice delivery, no flooding/dry hits. Had the same cotton in for two days. last time I checked, it was still in good contition. took me a few tries to get it this way though.

I tried silica and ekowool at first, but I wasn't getting much more flavor than I could get with a rebuilt T3S. Tried the P&C yarn, it was a little better, but I got a lot of dry hits and burnt taste. So I finally gave in and got some organic cotton balls -- EUREKA!

This "cotton nest" technique is just amazing. I'm running a much higher wattage than I've been able to do previously without getting the dry/burnt taste, 9w tonight and before I was sometimes having a problem at 8w; and I also decided to go back to a lower resistance coil, 1.8Ω on this one, and it's just incredible; terrific, warm vape, tons of vapor, and no burnt taste. Crxess knows what he's talking about!

Andria

PS: I'm ordering a Caterpillar tomorrow.

 

[DoubleEwe]

Neal in my opinion cotton wool balls are far easier to work with than cotton yarn.
I used to build my vivi nova heads using yarn and all I could taste was cotton, it almost made me stop vaping, no matter what I did every juice tasted like I was sucking on a wet t-shirt.
I realise now that this may have been due to the method I was using for making the coils/wick - I used to take the yarn along with a needle and build the coil around that, then remove the needle.
Despite the needle being in place to reduce the tightness I think that the yarn was still strangled by the coil, this giving the cotton taste (somehow).

It might be better if your method is less strangly on the wick though...

Good news on the Caterpillar Andria!
It looks pretty nice and full of options for the build!
I read a review on it (Smok Caterpillar RDA - review (pic heavy)) and it looks as though it is designed for people that don't keep their metals shiny. (I think it looks better after he polished it though)

It makes me want a nice shiny new dripper...

 

[Bunnykiller]

cotton lots of juicy cotton

 

[AndriaD]

Neal in my opinion cotton wool balls are far easier to work with than cotton yarn.
I used to build my vivi nova heads using yarn and all I could taste was cotton, it almost made me stop vaping, no matter what I did every juice tasted like I was sucking on a wet t-shirt.
I realise now that this may have been due to the method I was using for making the coils/wick - I used to take the yarn along with a needle and build the coil around that, then remove the needle.
Despite the needle being in place to reduce the tightness I think that the yarn was still strangled by the coil, this giving the cotton taste (somehow).

It might be better if your method is less strangly on the wick though...

Good news on the Caterpillar Andria!
It looks pretty nice and full of options for the build!
I read a review on it (Smok Caterpillar RDA - review (pic heavy)) and it looks as though it is designed for people that don't keep their metals shiny. (I think it looks better after he polished it though)

It makes me want a nice shiny new dripper...

Yeah I'm looking forward to it; as I think I mentioned, I've tried the 510 attys, and just couldn't get much worth all that effort, but until I learned to build coils, the "real" kind of dripper was out of my reach. Think I'm also going to order some 28ga kanthal; right now the biggest I have is 30ga, but 8 wraps just doesn't seem to cover much space, once it's dry burnt/compressed. Seems like you'd get better vapor if more of the juice-soaked wick was in contact with the coil.

Did you boil the cotton yarn before you used it? I didn't get that cotton taste so much, as just a dry hit/burnt taste; it doesn't seem to stand up to heat very well, or maybe that's because it can't hold enough juice to keep it from burning?

Speaking of burning... I'm trying out the nano again this morning, with this cotton-nest thing; it does provide better vapor, but once again I'm running into, I can't go over 7w without a burnt taste. Last night with the full size kayfun, I was running at 8.5w, and even edged it to 9w at one point, but it was just beginning to have a slightly burnt taste, so I edged it back down to 8.5w. *sigh* So I guess when this current 1.5ml is done, I'll go back to the full size; according to tracking, my M-tank should be here today, so that should give me the lighter weight, but still the full-sized chamber/chimney, and I think that is the key, the length of the chimney and a larger chamber so the heat isn't so focused.

Ugh. Just got a really nasty burnt taste, so I think the current nano experiment is going to be over much sooner than expected. And now I'll probably have to rewick, thanks to that last burn. Ugh.

Andria

 

[DoubleEwe]

I have to admit that I didn't have a clue what the M-tank was, but with a little help from google I now know. I am using the clear poly tank section that came in my kit whilst I wait on the 7 different coloured ones currently being rickshawed (explains the delivery time) from fasttech.

That really does suck that the nano is still being problematic despite the new coil setup, you could always put the nano chimney to good use by making Wizard of Oz figurines...

Yes, I boiled the yarn for about 2hrs, but the taste still remained. I think you are right about it and it's uptake of juice, it just doesn't seem to be able to cope as well as the cotton wool balls.

I am guessing that you are using microcoils in your builds? I have never used them, it kind of goes against my beliefs in terms of surface area (for liquid exposure to the coils) and evaporation. I know that they are pretty 'in' at the moment, but I have never been one to follow fashion...

With my coils (10 wraps close together but not micro) & cotton wool wicks I am kayfunning at 8w, davide Glassomizing 7- 8w and in my dripper up to 10w without any burnt taste.
Have you tried other types of coil with your nano setup or just the micro?

 

[AndriaD]

I have to admit that I didn't have a clue what the M-tank was, but with a little help from google I now know. I am using the clear poly tank section that came in my kit whilst I wait on the 7 different coloured ones currently being rickshawed (explains the delivery time) from fasttech.

That really does suck that the nano is still being problematic despite the new coil setup, you could always put the nano chimney to good use by making Wizard of Oz figurines... View attachment 335996

Yes, I boiled the yarn for about 2hrs, but the taste still remained. I think you are right about it and it's uptake of juice, it just doesn't seem to be able to cope as well as the cotton wool balls.

I am guessing that you are using microcoils in your builds? I have never used them, it kind of goes against my beliefs in terms of surface area (for liquid exposure to the coils) and evaporation. I know that they are pretty 'in' at the moment, but I have never been one to follow fashion...

With my coils (10 wraps close together but not micro) & cotton wool wicks I am kayfunning at 8w, davide Glassomizing 7- 8w and in my dripper up to 10w without any burnt taste.
Have you tried other types of coil with your nano setup or just the micro?

Well at first I didn't do micro, as I was very hesitant about squeezing the coil together, even after letting go of the fire button; very paranoid about electric shock. But, the micros heat up so much faster, I just made myself get over it. I'm not sure they qualify as micro even now; they seem to mostly be touching, but the wraps at each end don't, and I'm not sure why, or how to make them, or if it even matters on the outside edge of the coil. When I first started rebuilding coils, as I said, I didn't do micro, and they worked fine, but they took longer to heat up, even with a 1.7Ω coil. Since the burnt taste seems to increase the longer you hold down the button, I figured it would be worthwhile to do coils that heat up faster, so I wouldn't have to hold down the button so long to get a good hit. Now that I seem to mostly have the compressed-coil down pat, other than those outside-edge wraps, I figured it might be worthwhile to get wire that would require more wraps to reach the 1-7-2.0 resistance I prefer, so that more heating surface would be touching the wick/juice.

I really know very little, almost nothing, about electrical things; I've had to go one tiny baby-step at a time, to get to *here*, but it seems to be somewhat common-sense; more heating surface to vaporize juice, more vapor.

I did go back to the full sized, after that last awful burnt taste, and now I'm set at 8.5w, and not a bit of burnt taste that I got at 7w with the nano. I think the nano may need silica or ekowool wick, to keep it from burning so fast, at such a low temp.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Woohoo! Got the M-tank! I love it!!!!

Now it's not so dang top-heavy!!

Andria

 

[Joshleeman]

Pm'd u what got me started, still use this exact method this very day. Love it

 

[DoubleEwe]

Andria that is looking good!
I might have to get me one of those, but probably in some garish neon colour (yours looks too classy for the likes of me).

Thank you Josh for the video link, it is a pretty good one in all fairness, has some handy tips in it too. I had not seen a microcoil made like this (without the need for a blowtorch), so I have ordered some lower gauge kanthal to try it out and see if it lives up to the hype. At the moment I am anti micro coils in theory, but I shall give them a fair trial.
I must admit that I was a little worried when I saw a video link, but luckily it wasn't by one of the usual 'I love the sound of my own voice' characters that make so many blooming videos (not going to name any names).
Anyway, thank you once again for the link, I have also bookmarked it for rewatching.

 

[Joshleeman]

Andria that is looking good!
I might have to get me one of those, but probably in some garish neon colour (yours looks too classy for the likes of me).

Thank you Josh for the video link, it is a pretty good one in all fairness, has some handy tips in it too. I had not seen a microcoil made like this (without the need for a blowtorch), so I have ordered some lower gauge kanthal to try it out and see if it lives up to the hype. At the moment I am anti micro coils in theory, but I shall give them a fair trial.
I must admit that I was a little worried when I saw a video link, but luckily it wasn't by one of the usual 'I love the sound of my own voice' characters that make so many blooming videos (not going to name any names).
Anyway, thank you once again for the link, I have also bookmarked it for rewatching.

Oh ok well theres also a video by the same group of people on vaperev where they do a kayfun setup of a standard coil wrappped around 2 strands of silica. If you go to the vaperev site theres an archive of videos called vaperev edu. I'm sure that method works and is much easier to do if u like a standard spaced coil.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Hey all,

Just got a kayfun 3.1 clone (yes, I am that kind of person), really want to love it, but all I seem to be getting from it is ...... off.

I only got it this morning (well, early afternoon - lazy postman etc) and have already wasted a ton of juice from rebuilds after some failed attempts, along with some clumsy emptying of the tank.

Anyway, I know there are plenty of vids and threads on this subject, I have watched a load (most of them by people who like the sound of their own voice too much, but that is by the by) and still am no closer to finding why I keep getting dryish hits, burnt cotton and an awful taste in my mouth.

Can someone please tell me where I should be putting my cotton wick on the ledge below the coil build deck?
I have made a little pic of a couple options...
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The draw was also looser than Miley Cyrus' morals...

All help/pointers would be much appreciated!

So didn't read the thread other than your OP so if this is repetitive i apologize.
I had trouble when I first got mine- I so the same on both my black edition clone and ehpro V2 clone and it seems to work well.
I use a dual coil now but for a while was sticking with single. It seems as though the coiling is not an issue for you so I'll start with the wick.
I get best production with the coil and wick almost as high as the threading for the chimney- high above the airhole. I use a thin cotton wick- I noticed a thick wick won't let the juice ride through the channels into the chamber- they work off of air and hydronic pressure created by the vacuum in the tank. I cut the wick so it just touched the base of the chamber- where the channel ends on it's up route (hope that makes sense). I then wet the wick and coil and test fire. Turn the cotton up then put the base of the chimney on and use the screwdriver to
Push the cotton back in on both sides of the deck- screw on chimney top assemble tank and fill.
Before i fire I cover the airflow hole and take a few dry primer puffs to get the juice flow to start then fire and enjoy
If your airflow is to much for your liking you can adjust the airflow

 

[CassiusCloud]

Here is a manual for the Kayfun lite..It's really in depth with all sorts of trouble shooting and pretty much all the information you would need to get going with your kayfun..
It's a pdf link.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5440288/SM/KL_UserManual/KL_UserManual_ENG.pdf

 

[Vapires]

I always Vape my builds right off the chimney a few times before installing the tank and filling. This way, IF a mistake is made it will usually show before having to empty and start over. Sometimes a simple shift of the wick is all that is needed.

See my blog for the build I use on all 6 of my Kayfuns. They all work great - good flavor and nice vapor production.

We all have our own little preferences but one thing all agree on is with wicking - Less is more.

Hello,

I've got a Kayfun as well and Parovario - last few days

TODAY - so far...... I have smoked 0 times! - it still wasn't perfect but I accept that experience will give me a better result

Just things crop up occasionally - one problem is getting 0.0 ohms today so trying to sort that out

I just wanted to know where I could find your blog mentioned??

Thanks

 

[jaxgator]

I just wanted to know where I could find your blog mentioned??

I believe the following are the blog entries that Andria was mentioning:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uilding-kayfun-lite-nano-cotton-nest-pt1.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uilding-kayfun-lite-nano-cotton-nest-pt2.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uilding-kayfun-lite-nano-cotton-nest-pt3.html

 

[cthulhufan]

I always Vape my builds right off the chimney a few times before installing the tank and filling. This way, IF a mistake is made it will usually show before having to empty and start over. Sometimes a simple shift of the wick is all that is needed.

See my blog for the build I use on all 6 of my Kayfuns. They all work great - good flavor and nice vapor production.

We all have our own little preferences but one thing all agree on is with wicking - Less is more.

I needed to re-wick my kayfun so I figured I'd give your build a try. Not too shabby! I had to adjust my draw to avoid flooding, not sure how to describe it but it's like not sealing my lips totally; making an airier draw? Couple tank fills in and not one single dry hit yet. Nice. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Paradicio]

See my blog for the build I use on all 6 of my Kayfuns. They all work great - good flavor and nice vapor production.

I'm going to go ahead and give an endorsement for this blog:
E-Cigarette Forum - crxess - Blogs

I tried this method last night on my KFL+ and it is working out great. While the Kayfun has always provided me with great flavor, this upped the ante considerably! And though I'm not really a cloud chaser, I'm noticing bigger clouds with this build as well. Highly recommend giving it a try, if you've not done it yet.

Thanks for the tip and the great blog crxess!