Kayfun Lite - Certain types of liquid only?

[wrice4]

Hey everyone. So I have had my favorite ejuice, that I vape on, in my aerotank for a good while these days and recently I put it in my kayfun lite, and my nautilus. Now, when I put it in my nautilus it seems like the flavor is very weak and not that enjoyable. When I put it in my kayfun, the throat hit is intensified and the flavor is totally different.

Now, I understand that obviously every tank has its own ohm reading for the coils, own airflow, and own way it gets the juice. What my question is, are kayfuns (kayfun lites) mainly used for more of a 70VG/30PG liquids since its basically a dripper with a tank? The ejuice I am mentioning is a 50/50 blend and it seems the flavor is completely different.

Also, why would the flavor in my nautilus be very weak? Its almost like I can't taste the flavor at all. Time to change the stock coil?

 

[DaveP]

Kayfun is at the top of the food chain compared to tanks that use a factory cartridge. Nautilus is a good over the counter tank. Thick liquids are hard to wick and you have to close down the air flow to create more suction. If you leave the air flow wide open, you will eventually get dry hits.

 

[wrice4]

Kayfun is at the top of the food chain compared to tanks that use a factory cartridge. Nautilus is a good over the counter tank. Thick liquids are hard to wick and you have to close down the air flow to create more suction. If you leave the air flow wide open, you will eventually get dry hits.

But my nautilus tank outperforms my aerotank by far. Why wouldn't the flavor do the same? Will the flavor weaken if I have taken the stock coil out and soaked it in hot water for 10 min and then reuse it? There isn't a need to put a new coil in the nautilus unless there is a flavor I can't get rid of....right?


Also, is it okay to use the 50/50 blend in a kayfun, or is more geared towards 70/30? When I say okay, I mean....do most people use 50/50 sometimes?

 

[DavidOck]

All coils and wicks have a service life. So you may need to change coils in the nautilus at times even if not changing flavors. Coils and wicks gunk up and the flavor and vapor goes away. Maybe that.

Regarding the KF. What resistance coil are you making? What is your wick material, and is it the right amount of wick? What power level? Those will all affect TH and flavor. Nic level - many find that with the KF they need to reduce it, since the KF works so well.

50/50 should be fine in a KF. My flavors range from 80/20 to 50/50, and no problems. Although poor wick installation can cause the thicker juices to wick poorly, with a properly size wick it should be fine.

 

[autobiogphnation]

Perhaps too much wick in the kayfun which could choke it off.

 

[Equilibrium]

I use 50/50 and 70/30 juices in all of my KFL+'s and I never have a problem with either. Wicking is the key with all kayfun style RTA's. Yes, there will be a flavor difference when using a KF. If you're not getting more/better flavor then you're doing something wrong with the coil or wicking. After using kayfuns I couldn't go back to clearo's.

 

[Iowa Gal]

I use 50/50 in all of my tanks. I do find the majority of my juices taste better in the KFL than any other tank....I assume it's just the design, also I use a cotton wick in the KFL vs silica on the stock coils for Aerotank or Nautilus. On the Nautilus I prefer the BVC coils. If you're getting weaker flavor on the Nautilus and have been using the stock coil for awhile, its probably time for a new coil.

 

[wrice4]

All coils and wicks have a service life. So you may need to change coils in the nautilus at times even if not changing flavors. Coils and wicks gunk up and the flavor and vapor goes away. Maybe that.

Regarding the KF. What resistance coil are you making? What is your wick material, and is it the right amount of wick? What power level? Those will all affect TH and flavor. Nic level - many find that with the KF they need to reduce it, since the KF works so well.

50/50 should be fine in a KF. My flavors range from 80/20 to 50/50, and no problems. Although poor wick installation can cause the thicker juices to wick poorly, with a properly size wick it should be fine.

The coil in my Kayfun is 1.3ohms. I am using organic cotton as well. Not too much, but not too little. The best flavor so far I am vaping, with the kayfun, is 15-20 watts. The Nic flavor is 6.

Now, I am not saying that the taste is bad in my kayfun. It is still good, just not as good as the original flavor in my aerotank. Its a completely different taste, that is still good...just not as good.

Kayfun is 1.3ohms
Aerotank is reading 2.0 ohms

By the way, my skittles flavor, i had in the nautilus before switching to this flavor, worked perfect and was very very flavorful. All I did was dump that juice out. Took apart entire tank, ran under faucet with hot water, soaked it all in hot water for 10 min, dried it out and let air dry for 24 hours and refilled tank. with new juice.

 

[DavidOck]

Other than playing around with the power level - which you seem to have done - did you thoroughly wash the KF before use? Machine oils and other manufacturing detritus is the norm, and machine oil tastes REALLY bad!

 

[wrice4]

Other than playing around with the power level - which you seem to have done - did you thoroughly wash the KF before use? Machine oils and other manufacturing detritus is the norm, and machine oil tastes REALLY bad!

Yes, I also took wick out, dry burned the coil until the old flavor was off, and coil was nice and silver again....rewicked with new cotton...etc It just baffles me why it would taste so dang different in the KF, as not as good as a tank. Like I said, its good, just not as good. All my other flavors are intensified in the KF and are wayyy better than a tank. Maybe it just has something to do with this mixture.

 

[DavidOck]

Maybe a higher Ω coil in the KF? Coil geometry will play a part, so more surface area from more turns might make a difference...

 

[wrice4]

Maybe a higher Ω coil in the KF? Coil geometry will play a part, so more surface area from more turns might make a difference...

Thats what I figured, but also figured I would ask the pros.

I had a strawberry kiwi in the KF recently and it was amazing. After 15 watts it started to taste burnt, so I kept it at max 15 and it was so good. I do enjoy being able to take this juice up to 20watts and really get a nice strong throat hit off of it. Im gonna see how high, in wattage, I can go when I get home. I would assume not much higher.

 

[wrice4]

Thanks everyone for your responses. I really do appreciate it.

 

[tj99959]

Changing anything changes flavor, and every flavor will have it's favorite playground.

Also what you think is worse, someone else might think is better.

 

[Smann245]

What wire gauge and coil diameter in kayfun?

 

[wrice4]

What wire gauge and coil diameter in kayfun?

26 gauge and 9/64 drill bit. 1.3 ohms

 

[crxess]

Welcome to the world of exploration.

Every different type of tank/coil/adjustment will effect Flavor, as you have discovered. The better the system the better the flavor will be.
This is in no way an Equipment chain. i.e. ce4's to Dripping atomizers. Each group has its Great and its dogs.
T2 is just a well built ce5 type device, but much better than most ce5 designs.
Nautilus seems to be the top dog at the moment in the BCC class
Kayfun nudged out the Ithaka in center coil designs and Orchids seem to up the ante.

Each of these classes will also deliver differently then the other.

The fun part is finding mixes that somewhat work class to class. DIY makes it a little simpler as you can tweak for differences.

During a typical week I will use everything from a Carto to clearo, RBA tank to RDA and several variations. It can get complicated.

Oh, and to the question - I run 50/50 in all my Kayfun rigs and RDA's.

 

[DaveP]

On my Kayfun I wind 8 turns of 28ga Kanthal on a coil with a 2mm diameter and it comes out to be 1.6 to 1.8 ohms. The cotton wick needs to be changed every two to three days to maintain top flavor.

Once you pull the old wick, run the coil under the tap to wet it and immediately dry burn it so that the steam will loosen and burn off the caked on juice. Lightly wipe with a folded paper towel and repeat.

The coil should look like new wire when you get through. When it starts to look rusty after washing and dry burning, it may be time to re-coil. I generally get a month or more out of a coil before I break a wire lead while cleaning.

 

[wrice4]

Just a heads up. I am now firing my kayfun at 30 watts with the same juice I mentioned earlier, and it has a great vape. It does not taste burnt at all and at 30watts this thing hits amazing.

 

[DaveP]

But my nautilus tank outperforms my aerotank by far. Why wouldn't the flavor do the same? Will the flavor weaken if I have taken the stock coil out and soaked it in hot water for 10 min and then reuse it? There isn't a need to put a new coil in the nautilus unless there is a flavor I can't get rid of....right?


Also, is it okay to use the 50/50 blend in a kayfun, or is more geared towards 70/30? When I say okay, I mean....do most people use 50/50 sometimes?

The reason I went to Kayfun was short head life on the Nautilus. The BVC coils are much better, but coil life depends on the juice you use. Sweet, thick, or dark juices tend to kill coils quickly. 50/50 isn't that bad on coils, but 70pg/30vg gives you longer life for a given juice mix just because the PG component thins the juice and aids in juice feeding.