Use distilled water - a couple of bucks for a gallon from any pharmacy or grocery store. start with trying 2-3 drops per ml. make sure well mixed before vaping. I've done this on occasion and worked well. I mixed by warming up the liquid in a hot water bath with the bottle cap on, swirl, and repeat.
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I've used about 1ml-1.4ml/day for the last 6 months. I don't know how much is excessive.
My latest bloodwork shows that sodium isn't a problem of mine but I'll call my cardiologist tomorrow.
Thanks for the heads-up
have you tried dry burn the coil before filling with new eliquid? but be careful not to make the coil burnt, just in purpose to clear the eliquid left in the coil, this is what I usually do.
I suggest you do a similar test to the one I pictured. Put some kanthal in a glass of tap water and an equal amount in a glass of your saline solution and see how long it takes to begin oxidizing.
I think you'll be quite shocked. That picture was taken after just 30 days, and the person who conducted the test said the kanthal began to show visible oxidation in less than 48 hours.
The good doctor finally called me back yesterday.I've used about 1ml-1.4ml/day for the last 6 months. I don't know how much is excessive.
My latest bloodwork shows that sodium isn't a problem of mine but I'll call my cardiologist tomorrow.
Thanks for the heads-up
I explained how much I use and what my concerns are.
He replied that since I don't have issues with sodium then he doesn't see any complications with me using 1ml-1.5ml of Saline for inhalation per day. It's an insignificant amount in my case.
He is however amused that I get a river flowing out my nose when I exhale out of it when I chain vape.
If I am not mistaken any sodium in the solution that gets vaped will wind up not going up the tube but stay on the coils/wick materials like when salt water evaporates the salt is left behind.
Which will do to that coil what was posted in the picture provided by another forum member.
Question for those using DW to cut their e-liquids:
How does it affect the cloud production and flavor? I have one I do not have a problem with Tropical Fruit but it is 80% VG and at times it is bit much which I compensate for my turning down the wattage. I am wondering if I was to cut it a little bit how will this affect it? Sure I can do trial and error just trying to gain some insight before I experiment. Thanks in Advance!
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I have used anywhere from 5% to 20% eyeballed by volume;
In my experience, adding too much seems to cause cloud production to drop off pretty fast;
for example I don't think 50/50 would work; you'd get hot vape, low cloud.
Question for those using DW to cut their e-liquids:
How does it affect the cloud production and flavor? I have one I do not have a problem with Tropical Fruit but it is 80% VG and at times it is bit much which I compensate for my turning down the wattage. I am wondering if I was to cut it a little bit how will this affect it? Sure I can do trial and error just trying to gain some insight before I experiment. Thanks in Advance!
Water doesn't produce clouds, and it has a weird feeling that's actually pretty similar to throat hit of PG, just not as smooth..and it's hot. if you cut liquid with distilled water, you should start out with a drop or two...because more than likely, there's already a good bit of water in some form from the flavorings..and teeny-weeny bits in the bases themselves, and I don't add any water with my DIY liquids.
Being a dripper, with wide drip tips, I have the occasional leakage from my lip into the atomizer, and you can definitely tell a difference if I end up getting an excessive sizzle going on in the dripper.lol Besides that, and if I ever did, I personally wouldn't mix more than 10% of distilled water to a max VG mix in my DIY, and I never had issues with wicking with tanks, back when I used cartomizer tanks, and then went on to kayfun lite+'s...can't believe I use to spend so much time disassembling, cleaning, dry burn, and rewicking each time I changed a flavor, or needed to address a wick that was blackening the liquid in my tank..
So you're wanting to produce more throat hit and less clouds with that liquid? Or what?
I was asking because I have a Flavored e-Liquid that I finally found but it is thicker than what I am used to probably because of it being 80/20 VG/PG. I was thinking of trying to thin it a bit which I would do with maybe 1 ML first as a test. I do not want to change the very pleasant vape I receive so I am leary about playing with the chefs recipe!
A medical warning and a question from everything I've read in this thread. I was a nurse for 35 yrs. We always used saline in the oxygen bubbler for patients needing oxygen in the hospital setting, but not being a respiratory therapist, I can't say how much of that saline is actually inhaled. My husband is on oxygen at home, I use DW in his bubbler & don't see any difference from the hospital setting.
The use of saline to add to juices vs DW - for anyone with Kidney, Cardiology or Pulmonary health issues, I would definitely check with your dr before using saline as the salt content could possibly interfere with the blood sodium content, too little or too high can cause some serious issues. Any of us with these types of health issues should follow in Mowgli's footsteps and make a call.
The use of saline to add to juices vs DW - for anyone with Kidney, Cardiology or Pulmonary health issues, I would definitely check with your dr before using saline as the salt content could possibly interfere with the blood sodium content, too little or too high can cause some serious issues. Any of us with these types of health issues should follow in Mowgli's footsteps and make a call.
Now for my question, should I be doing this every time I change flavors? I ask because I change flavors frequently.
Ok, that's what I was thinking. Is it wicking well? If it's wicking properly, just go with it..
Don't start with a mL. Start with a drop. You will be surprised what a little bit can do. You can also use PGA/Pure Grain Alcohol, also use a drop to start with..probably won't need more than a few. edit- in the tank!!!!
I did it when I used tanks, but it isn't a requirement by any means. I'm OCD in some ways, and I was spending way too much money on liquid at that point of my "career."
Some flavors don't play well with others, but some do. You can find some very good collaborations by not going through the effort of cleaning your tanks, but I always did. Most liquid I was using in my tanks was $22 per 30mL, so I didn't roll the dice messing around with mixing them, or tainting them in anyway.
After I started to only use my DIY liquids for a long time, I wasn't using any tanks, but I did the same things with drippers for a long time...now I don't care too much. I was using an estia for a while, and I didn't go through the cleanse effort every time. Kayfun lite+ is a single coil. Estia is a tri-coil...even ones that consider themselves pro's may have a mishap in rewicking a multi-coil tank, especially in a rush.
But see all of that is just summed up to say: If you want to!
...Just to yammer on a bit more, I would at least rewick the coil(s) and dry burn the coil when changing flavors, if your tank doesn't have pre-assembled wicked coils. If you're changing a stock coil, I would go ahead and wash the tank too, if it lends itself to being rinsed out and dried.
What tanks are you using? and I will give you 10 more paragraphs IMNSHO on protocol for those.
My current and favorite tank is a Kanger subohm nano. My second favorite is a Kanger aerotank v2, that one is a topic for another forum as it's not working right and burns a stock coil with every tank. I do want to get into RDA's but not terribly electrical and I need a lot of educating before I try one.
Question for those using DW to cut their e-liquids:
How does dilution affect flavor and vapor?
How does it affect the cloud production and flavor? I have one I do not have a problem with Tropical Fruit but it is 80% VG and at times it is bit much which I compensate for my turning down the wattage. I am wondering if I was to cut it a little bit how will this affect it? Sure I can do trial and error just trying to gain some insight before I experiment. Thanks in Advance!
For the benefit of new vapers landing here adding water to juices has no upside as far as I can tell. Three years and countless setups, builds and recipes since. Like most I thought water would work having a lower vaporization point; however, just as with PG it tends to thin the vape. Now for those who love diffusion rather than actual vapor production, go ahead and up the power and get that big cloud anyway. You won't see more vaporization but a demand for the higher temperature to achieve the additional production. Don't know why exactly. The science and theory suggest otherwise. Yet it's just been my consistent observation to the contrary from practical experience.
Further, well blended crafted juices can be thoroughly ruined when ingredient ratios are disturbed or the solution of their flavoring ingredients. It's common to see a dilution of flavor and further if more power is applied to increase production. My take is higher power levels tend to diffuse accent flavors given their small proportion to a point of less detectability. Some will say oh tastes great now. Don't mean a thing. Maybe the base flavor ingredient itself is now dominant and that's what you love. What did the designer intend? You may never know.
Finally, the norm of thinking seems to be PG brings the flavor out. This applies to VG/PG ratios and pure or high VG juices. There may be some science to that as well; it's a longer process (more time, expense) to make VG flavorings. Are VG ingredients themselves less flavorful? No. Some may seem so as less concentrated, but that's a production decision, not a characteristic of the flavoring type itself necessarily. Neither should juice recipes be then. However, dilution will most certainly have an impact on the final ratios affecting flavor.
If VG is a problem or if you must, try juices that are available with extra flavor drops and dilute with PG only proportionately. That is, by no more than the percentage of flavor your are adding. If adding a flavor drop gives you an additional 20% of the original flavoring value, I'd suggest dilute no further. Consider that your mix may require steeping. How much may vary depending on flavorings used. And especially an expensive craft juice which may have natural, extracted or non-PG bases which may take longer to reintegrate into solution.
Gunk, accretion of certain solids in juices is totally proportional to vaporization rate in my experience. It can be accelerated by inadequate power (low batt, pwr setting) as well as bad coil design or wicking producing hot wet or dry hits, cooking and scorching respectively. Urge all new vapers consider learning to rebuild a predictable and stable tensioned microcoil which I introduced in 2013. It may serve as a wonderfully precise baseline for comparison vs. all the rather expensive consumable options out there. A Kanger Subtank with its most user-friendly RDA (horizontal coil rebuildable base, pictured) is recommended over verticals for dependability. See more here...
Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!
Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.
Good luck Steve (all).
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I never use distiller water, or reverse osmosis. It's stripped water for one, and I feel it causes flavor issues. I use filtered tap water most the time or spring water.
For nautilus add 10-15% filtered water to the juice. (Some go to 20%, but I recommend just enough to get the job done for you)
If u was using saline I would probably use Nichrome 80. It will last longer before oxidizing.
For nautilus add 10-15% filtered water to the juice. (Some go to 20%, but I recommend just enough to get the job done for you)
If u was using saline I would probably use Nichrome 80. It will last longer before oxidizing.
Aside from what's been said. ..
If it's dry hitting for no reason the external wicking wrap is probably loose on the coil. Or a coil isn't touching the wicking.
You may be doing something to move the coil in the head, like over tightening it. Just lightly snug it.
DSW reduces the boiling point of PG and VG making your liquid less likely to burn. I have been using it for years in my DIY mixes. I feel that it boosts the flavor a bit as well as keeps my coils cleaner a bit longer. as always, YMMV
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