What a bunch of rubbish!
E-cigarettes under fire | Local | News | The Kingston Whig-Standard
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E-cigarettes under fire | Local | News | The Kingston Whig-Standard
News - KFL&A Public Health
Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington (KFL&A) Public Health Make Outlandish Claims
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Unbelievable, but then again sounds like HC propaganda. Too bad reporters, etc. don't do any research before they publish these articles.
I'd love to see how they came up with this," For example, some e-cigarettes have been found to contain more than 1,000 mg of nicotine."
I'd love to see how they came up with this," For example, some e-cigarettes have been found to contain more than 1,000 mg of nicotine."
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Uh-huh. Published by KLF&A who, by their own admission at the end of their "news" piece, "offers a variety of programmes to prevent and reduce the use of tobacco, and to protect the public from the harmful effects of second-hand tobacco smoke." For a price, no doubt.
That right there is the rotting stench of a poorly-hidden agenda.
That right there is the rotting stench of a poorly-hidden agenda.
This is irresponsible "reporting" at best. At its worst, it's flagrantly false on several points.
It's absolutely reprehensible that any federal agency is working to promote banning something that is proven to be safer than tobacco products given that the federal government collects ridiculous amounts of money on the sale of tobacco.
I call "foul", given the inherent conflict of interest.
It's absolutely reprehensible that any federal agency is working to promote banning something that is proven to be safer than tobacco products given that the federal government collects ridiculous amounts of money on the sale of tobacco.
I call "foul", given the inherent conflict of interest.
Good one Duane. And Mindfield, Thanks for posting on the Whig 
CBC Radio's Ontario Morning show is where I first heard this nonsense. Wrote to them as well for doing such a poor piece of reporting. I expect better from public radio
Apparently CKWS is also going to be doing a piece on their news cast this evening. Lets hope they give a better showing.
If you look at KLF&A annual financial report they claim to be entirely funded by the Ontario Provincial Government but there is a line item of 750,000 for "Special Project Funding". From my understanding this money comes from private enterprise. It would require some real investigative reporting but I would be prepared to make a guess if asked to ......
CBC Radio's Ontario Morning show is where I first heard this nonsense. Wrote to them as well for doing such a poor piece of reporting. I expect better from public radio Apparently CKWS is also going to be doing a piece on their news cast this evening. Lets hope they give a better showing.
If you look at KLF&A annual financial report they claim to be entirely funded by the Ontario Provincial Government but there is a line item of 750,000 for "Special Project Funding". From my understanding this money comes from private enterprise. It would require some real investigative reporting but I would be prepared to make a guess if asked to ......
Okay boys and girls this is preaching to the converted.
We ne\d to get out in full force and flood the Whig Standard with commentary demonstrating that this man is uninformed, conflicted and a believer in junk science.
We ne\d to get out in full force and flood the Whig Standard with commentary demonstrating that this man is uninformed, conflicted and a believer in junk science.
Someone should post this link
ESC | About the ESC | ESC Press Office | ESC Press Releases | Electronic cigarettes do not damage the heart
Which states it " tested by an independent toxicology laboratory and found to contain no nitrosamines or polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons."
or
" Laboratory analyses of the liquids show that they are less toxic than regular cigarettes. Most studies have found no nitrosamines, but even in studies where nitrosamines were found, the levels detected were 500-1400 times less than the amount present in one tobacco cigarette. This means that electronic cigarettes must be used daily for 4-12 months to get the amount of nitrosamines present in a single tobacco cigarette."
and how we actually get a lower concentration of nicotine vaping..
other quotes for our side...
they are stupid poopie bum bums... RAWR and yeah... dont know why I had hoped it would be a legitimate article.... just annoyed me
The huge amoutn of nic found... thats like saying never eat meat because of the ( pick one of many over the last few years ) issues found because of a mistake....
now I am just in a fowl mood lol
ESC | About the ESC | ESC Press Office | ESC Press Releases | Electronic cigarettes do not damage the heart
Which states it " tested by an independent toxicology laboratory and found to contain no nitrosamines or polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons."
or
" Laboratory analyses of the liquids show that they are less toxic than regular cigarettes. Most studies have found no nitrosamines, but even in studies where nitrosamines were found, the levels detected were 500-1400 times less than the amount present in one tobacco cigarette. This means that electronic cigarettes must be used daily for 4-12 months to get the amount of nitrosamines present in a single tobacco cigarette."
and how we actually get a lower concentration of nicotine vaping..
other quotes for our side...
they are stupid poopie bum bums... RAWR and yeah... dont know why I had hoped it would be a legitimate article.... just annoyed me
The huge amoutn of nic found... thats like saying never eat meat because of the ( pick one of many over the last few years ) issues found because of a mistake....
now I am just in a fowl mood lol
Since the idiot left his email address, EVERYONE should send the idiot an email, I did, telling him my feelings towards his communication
This. The government collects billions per year in sin taxes. If they were really concerned about the effects of tobacco on their citizens, cigarettes would have been made illegal the minute a valid connection was made between smoking and premature death.
Follow the money.
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Where, oh where has my journalistic intergrity gone? Oh where, oh where can it beeeeee?
No citations for these figures. Strike one. 1,000mg of nicotine? Really? Let's do some math. Given the average cartridge/carto/whatever capacity of 1ml, that would basically work out to 1,000mg/ml, or essentially a cartridge filled with pure liquid nicotine. One puff on that and you'd be dead. Heck, you'd get sick just bringing it close to your face. I call bovine scat for many reasons, the least of which being that you don't make money by killing your customers. Well, not instantly, anyway.
Five minutes' worth of research would reveal that the nitrosamines found during the FDA study were at similar concentrations to nicotine replacement therapy products already approved for sale. 8 ng/g. NANOgrams per gram. Parts per *billion*. (For fun, imagine I sound like Carl Sagan.) Compare this with one (one!) cigarette at over 11,000 ppb. Strike two.
DEG was found in *one* cartridge tested at approximately a concentration of one percent, and this was before consumers became more informed and demanded better quality control. Strike three.
Man with a vested interest in NOT having people quit tobacco successfully said:
Let's play "What they say and what they really mean", shall we?
| What they say. | What they really mean. |
| We really do not know what is in them. | We haven't been bothered to get off our butts and find out what's in them, even though the information is widely available. |
| He’s convinced that these devices have become the “snake oil” of the 21st century. | He's convinced himself that these devices have become the "snake oil" of the 21st century, because he deals with things that oppose his world-view by assuming they're automatically incorrect without resorting to the inconvenience of fact-finding. It's wrong because he's a Tobacco Control Officer, dammit! Because he said so! He's an AUTHORITY figure! Listen to him! Don't pay any attention to the fact that his job's on the line if these things become freely available to the smoking public. |
Sure, all the evidence on how effective these things are is currently anecdotal, but the published recidivism rates for other methods of tobacco cessation paint a pretty dismal picture for quitters who do their research.
I could go on and on about this, but I'm in very real danger of introducing my head to my desk at a tempo of about 120 beats per minute.
All I know for sure is that nothing else has ever kept me off cigarettes for seven months, especially not without a desire to start smoking again.
It's time we got some facts out there. It's time that "harm reduction" stopped being a dirty phrase. It's time that governments actually put their money where their mouths are (no, not on the rear-ends of lobbyists) and started actually demonstrating concern for the health of their citizens beyond a bit of lip-service.
I kind of want to record myself saying all this while storming through a grafittied alley, with weird camera angles and stuff.
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Funny you should mention, but I might have assumed that you were Rick Mercer using an alias if your avatar hadn't given you away.
Thanks! Not too sure how serious you're being, but I'll graciously accept the compliment. I don't think I'd ever have allowed myself the capacity for incisive wit that he has, but who am I to judge?
I was more just referring to the rantiness of my post.
This is all great stuff but it goes to waste if its only here. Everybody made great comments get them out on that article.
the only way I can see 1000 mg being in one device is if it was a bottom feeder that held a 30ml bottle of 36mg.
Still an uneducated and very biased read.
Still an uneducated and very biased read.
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Elaine Keller, President of CASAA took the time today to respond to this equine feces of an article. Thanks Elaine!
Projectguy is right, we preach to the converted here. Please post your thoughts on the Whig site.
Projectguy is right, we preach to the converted here. Please post your thoughts on the Whig site.
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