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Just received an email from Eightvape in LV, they are running a 25% off all eliquid with 10% going to the families of the victims of last night's tragedy.
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Just to make clear to everybody, I don't want to take guns away from responsible gun owners, but when somebody shoots 586 people, murdering 59 to date, we have a problem. Well, to be honest, I don't know how many were injured in the panic but still, it's 586 people in a mater of minutes. It will take time before we learn if he legally bought automatic(s), obtained them illegally or converted them. Most of the people I know do own guns and I have them on speed dial since we don't and are often plagued by poachers on our property every hunting season.
The stories emerging of the heroics of the responders and other concert goers themselves again sustains my faith in humanity at large. It's gut-wrenching to see and learn of the particulars of each deceased individual as the information is released.
A few of the rifles were modified with a bump kit. Either he or someone he knew or purchased from modified the legal semiautomatic rifles for essentially automatic fire. Those conversions can be found online by a Google search. Not the same as the illegal "factory stock" automatic firearm, but still provides a high rate of fire.
Just to make clear to everybody, I don't want to take guns away from responsible gun owners, but when somebody shoots 586 people, murdering 59 to date, we have a problem. Well, to be honest, I don't know how many were injured in the panic but still, it's 586 people in a mater of minutes. It will take time before we learn if he legally bought automatic(s), obtained them illegally or converted them. Most of the people I know do own guns and I have them on speed dial since we don't and are often plagued by poachers on our property every hunting season.
The stories emerging of the heroics of the responders and other concert goers themselves again sustains my faith in humanity at large. It's gut-wrenching to see and learn of the particulars of each deceased individual as the information is released.
That is what we need to focus on. Not the evil of one man but the selfless bravery that dozens and dozens of people showed. I believe the the good in mankind will always triumph in the end.
I'm letting this sit in this section until tomorrow out of respect for those lives lost and all those that helped the victims. 
Tomorrow I will move it to the lounge.
Tomorrow I will move it to the lounge.
Just to make clear to everybody, I don't want to take guns away from responsible gun owners, but when somebody shoots 586 people, murdering 59 to date, we have a problem. Well, to be honest, I don't know how many were injured in the panic but still, it's 586 people in a mater of minutes. It will take time before we learn if he legally bought automatic(s), obtained them illegally or converted them. Most of the people I know do own guns and I have them on speed dial since we don't and are often plagued by poachers on our property every hunting season.
The stories emerging of the heroics of the responders and other concert goers themselves again sustains my faith in humanity at large. It's gut-wrenching to see and learn of the particulars of each deceased individual as the information is released.
I couldn't agree more. Honestly, and I know nobody wants to hear this, this couldn't have been prevented he had this planned from the sounds of it so he would've obtained these firearms illegally if he had to. This guy was a psychopath that's the only thing that makes sense. Just my
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yes this is what i am talking about..shooter was able to buy a modified kit and that should not be legal. Yes these guns are not legal, but apparently buying the kit and converting a semiautomatic gun is.
and just to note i am not against owning firearms, my thinking is if we outlaw firearms then the only people who will have them is the criminals...cause they sure as heck aren't getting them the legal way. But seriously being able to modify a semiautomatic by simply going online to make a purchase..i believe they said it's like $20 bucks...yeah something is wrong folks. Nobody should have access or own such a gun, there is just no reason for it....except intentions that this shooter displayed. what the law says is it's not legal to sell such a gun, but it's legal to buy a kit that will transform a semiautomatic into a high functioning automatic. THAT IS LEGAL and the issue i am raising. Yes it's legal to own such a gun
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I don't know enough about the shooter's background to pronounce him a sociopath. He didn't seem to have a hx of much, based on what I've read. This sort of more bears the hallmarks of some sort of mental breakdown and or PTSD event leading to a planned, "End it all" type of thing. It's arguably true that making and enacting such a plan (which was clearly thought out) are sociopathic acts, but to be a sociopath one really has to have that going on over the lifetime of a person. IDK if that's true, for this guy.
I don't think this needs to turn into an argument over guns. Don't get me wrong, the media goes there at every opportunity, and I'm not certain such modifications should be legal, but if they're illegal they will still be readily obtainable. I do get a bit tired of the gun control rhetoric being trotted out at every mass shooting. Guns aren't going to be banned in American anytime soon, IMO. The continued "We need gun control" thing that gets trotted out is either the media not really knowing what else to "report/commentate" on or there to raise ratings. I think it's often disrespectful to the situation, honestly. "Let's talk about gun control while emotions are running high...." Doesn't get anything accomplished, and really just distracts from the real focus of the tragedy.
I am not saying there isn't a place for gun control debate, but using these tragedies as a platform for doing so is disrespectful, IMO. Also this guy was clearly bent on carrying out this plan, if you can do what he did, I'm sure you can get your hands on a bunch of illegal firearms. It's not exactly difficult, I'm fairly certain I could do so myself but I have no desire/need to do so. When you get to the point that this person got to (whatever his reasons) legal/illegal isn't going to make much difference here.
EVERYONE would agree that this guy shouldn't have had access to weapons, but we often only ever know this after the fact, and "Monday morning quarterbacking" is that the phrase? Only leads to a lot of arguing, and lack of focus on the more important parts of what has happened.
Maybe the government will prove me wrong and try to do... something, but I'm doubtful on the matter. Just my thoughts, as always.
Anna
I don't think this needs to turn into an argument over guns. Don't get me wrong, the media goes there at every opportunity, and I'm not certain such modifications should be legal, but if they're illegal they will still be readily obtainable. I do get a bit tired of the gun control rhetoric being trotted out at every mass shooting. Guns aren't going to be banned in American anytime soon, IMO. The continued "We need gun control" thing that gets trotted out is either the media not really knowing what else to "report/commentate" on or there to raise ratings. I think it's often disrespectful to the situation, honestly. "Let's talk about gun control while emotions are running high...." Doesn't get anything accomplished, and really just distracts from the real focus of the tragedy.
I am not saying there isn't a place for gun control debate, but using these tragedies as a platform for doing so is disrespectful, IMO. Also this guy was clearly bent on carrying out this plan, if you can do what he did, I'm sure you can get your hands on a bunch of illegal firearms. It's not exactly difficult, I'm fairly certain I could do so myself but I have no desire/need to do so. When you get to the point that this person got to (whatever his reasons) legal/illegal isn't going to make much difference here.
EVERYONE would agree that this guy shouldn't have had access to weapons, but we often only ever know this after the fact, and "Monday morning quarterbacking" is that the phrase? Only leads to a lot of arguing, and lack of focus on the more important parts of what has happened.
Maybe the government will prove me wrong and try to do... something, but I'm doubtful on the matter. Just my thoughts, as always. Anna
Anna correct, this thread shouldn't become about guns or government policy. It started as a post of support for the people that were lost their lives or injured in this tragic event.
Personally I still have so much sadness and sorrow for the families that debating politics or guns just seems wrong. Those two topics pull Americans apart, don't let that happen to this thread.
Personally I still have so much sadness and sorrow for the families that debating politics or guns just seems wrong. Those two topics pull Americans apart, don't let that happen to this thread.
My prayers go out to everyone effected. It's not about weapons of any kind, it's speaks to the mental health of the world. The way the media reports by broadcasting the story 24/7 for a week before they move on, just inspires the next unstable cowardly [edited by Mod].
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Thank you for bringing the focus back to where it needs to be Anna. The folks most impacted by this terrible tragedy need our support during this devastating time. Prayers if one believes or just positive thoughts and hope for healing, I would think, are in order.I don't know enough about the shooter's background to pronounce him a sociopath. He didn't seem to have a hx of much, based on what I've read. This sort of more bears the hallmarks of some sort of mental breakdown and or PTSD event leading to a planned, "End it all" type of thing. It's arguably true that making and enacting such a plan (which was clearly thought out) are sociopathic acts, but to be a sociopath one really has to have that going on over the lifetime of a person. IDK if that's true, for this guy.
I don't think this needs to turn into an argument over guns. Don't get me wrong, the media goes there at every opportunity, and I'm not certain such modifications should be legal, but if they're illegal they will still be readily obtainable. I do get a bit tired of the gun control rhetoric being trotted out at every mass shooting. Guns aren't going to be banned in American anytime soon, IMO. The continued "We need gun control" thing that gets trotted out is either the media not really knowing what else to "report/commentate" on or there to raise ratings. I think it's often disrespectful to the situation, honestly. "Let's talk about gun control while emotions are running high...." Doesn't get anything accomplished, and really just distracts from the real focus of the tragedy.
I am not saying there isn't a place for gun control debate, but using these tragedies as a platform for doing so is disrespectful, IMO. Also this guy was clearly bent on carrying out this plan, if you can do what he did, I'm sure you can get your hands on a bunch of illegal firearms. It's not exactly difficult, I'm fairly certain I could do so myself but I have no desire/need to do so. When you get to the point that this person got to (whatever his reasons) legal/illegal isn't going to make much difference here.
EVERYONE would agree that this guy shouldn't have had access to weapons, but we often only ever know this after the fact, and "Monday morning quarterbacking" is that the phrase? Only leads to a lot of arguing, and lack of focus on the more important parts of what has happened.
Anna
As always, just my humble opinion.
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