Learning the basics? Please help.

[edyle]

I might add a kick and read about it.... So I talked to my dad and he expalined ohms amps and volts. And the math on it. I was confused that even if you have a higher ohm rating, it creates more resistance, which pulls more amps, and can overload the battery. So no, If you are running a .4 ohm coil, and you then build a .9 ohm coil, the risistance goes up, and it pulls more amps and can overheat the battery, so higer ohms on the same battery is NOT ok.

He said he would have to see my mod and see how it is set up, so he was just talking in general.

And to the guy above. I meant .3 Not .03 lol.

Again, Let me reiterate, these numbers are just examples to make a point, I am not shooting to build these specifically... I am just going to try and find one single coil that is going to give me a .... LOAD of vapor, and somewhat decent throat hit. I am just looking to make as big of a cloud as possible. Whatever ohms that comes out to, to be able to accomplish that to me is irrelevant. Whatever it comes to Ill make sure I have my set-up work for that.

1:
Higher ohms means higher resistance; ohms is just the unit of measurement of resistance.

2:
Higher ohms does not pull more amps.
With higher ohms you would need more amps to get up to the same temperature, but putting higher ohms does not get your battery to put out more amps.

3:
High ohms does not overload the battery.
Low ohms can overload the battery.
This is why going low should be done with caution.

4:

If you are running a .4 ohm coil, and you then build a .9 ohm coil, the risistance goes up, and it pulls more amps and can overheat the battery, so higer ohms on the same battery is NOT ok.

As explained above, you have that backwards.

5:

I am just going to try and find one single coil that is going to give me a .... LOAD of vapor, and somewhat decent throat hit. I am just looking to make as big of a cloud as possible. Whatever ohms that comes out to, to be able to accomplish that to me is irrelevant

That is the correct approach.
Merely going lower in ohms with the same gauge kanthal wire will make the vape hotter.
Going higher in ohms with the same gauge kanthal will make the vape cooler.
There is a sweet spot which you need to find.

If you use a kick, you can adjust the kick instead, plus the kick will hold the output voltage to the coil constant while the battery voltage itself is decreasing.

 

[DcMagic]

1:
Higher ohms means higher resistance; ohms is just the unit of measurement of resistance.

2:
Higher ohms does not pull more amps.
With higher ohms you would need more amps to get up to the same temperature, but putting higher ohms does not get your battery to put out more amps.

3:
High ohms does not overload the battery.
Low ohms can overload the battery.
This is why going low should be done with caution.

4:

As explained above, you have that backwards.

5:

That is the correct approach.
Merely going lower in ohms with the same gauge kanthal wire will make the vape hotter.
Going higher in ohms with the same gauge kanthal will make the vape cooler.
There is a sweet spot which you need to find.

If you use a kick, you can adjust the kick instead, plus the kick will hold the output voltage to the coil constant while the battery voltage itself is decreasing.

Im defiantly going to have to look into a kick, this is the first time I have heard about it.

 

[edyle]

So, I am gong to sit down, watch a youtube video of making a micro coil. I am going to build it, Then I am going to test it, Then I am going to take the ohms, and times it by 4 (the volts of my battery) and figure out the Amps, If the amps are under what my battery can handle. Then I should be fine. Yes? What am I missing?

Actually, Can anyone recommend a coil set up that give off a TON of vapor? Which coil set ups are the ones used for like cloud cashing competitions? - That's a whole other post, but maybe I can get a generalized answer on that.. What makes MORE vapor? Surface area? (physically bigger coils), Lower ohms?, etc etc...

1:
V = IR
Current = Volts/ohms

2:
Surface area makes more vapor.
By using bigger wire for the coil or my using multiple coils, you get more surface area.

Because you use thicker wire or multiple coils in parallel it so happens that you end up with lower ohms.

 

[Drumonron]

It's been said but you should put safety before clouds...use the tester for shorts....a short will pull more current than the battery can safely handle...result would be bad....especially on a mech....the battery will first heat up then melt or worse...vent and possibly blow. One would not like this to happen.

TEST and RESPECT the chemistry especially if your sub-ohming which, according to your original post, perhaps you should not sub ohm until you do the homework.

Have fun and enjoy the ride. It's really not that bad if you respect the process....my happy place is a nice 30awg wrapped 6/7 = 7 wraps = approx 1.9 ohms = nice vape(for me).

Enjoy.

 

[DcMagic]

On second thought, Isnt putting something like a kick into a mod just basically turning it from a mech mod to a provari type of mod? Once you start turning up the volts and adjusting everything, you essentially just making it into a VV mod. A large Ego-c Twist and a micro coil in a regular tank set up. Turning up the volts, getting it hot, and getting a stronger hit. I dont want that (Technically)

Maybe my thinking on this is backwards, But from all the sub ohming, cloud chasing, huge cloud blowing videos I have seen, the one thing that is constant is that they are ALL using mechanical dippers and VG liquid. All I need now is the coil set up.

SO maybe the kick isnt for me.

Im just over complicating it.... Find a coil that gives off the vapor you like, Test it, Make sure if doesn't overheat your battery. Done. lol Jeez.


I miss my 6v chuck and carto. lol

 

[DcMagic]

I guess technically I have been sub ohming for months now... I have a coy mod, and a patriot rda, duel coil, 3 wrap on each side around some silica. 26g kanthol (I believe). The shop did it for me, and they re-wrap it for me when I need it. The last time the lady had me wrap it and watched me, so I have been wraping 3 wraps on each side with the wire they gave me since (basically). I dont plan on trying anything else other than what I have right now until I fully understand it.

Although with the shorts and blowing.. You can feel your battery getting hot. I would assume that if it were to start to get really really hot you would know something is wrong and your hand would start to burn from the heat, before it blew up.

 

[edyle]

I guess technically I have been sub ohming for months now... I have a coy mod, and a patriot rda, duel coil, 3 wrap on each side around some silica. 26g kanthol (I believe). The shop did it for me, and they re-wrap it for me when I need it. The last time the lady had me wrap it and watched me, so I have been wraping 3 wraps on each side with the wire they gave me since (basically). I dont plan on trying anything else other than what I have right now until I fully understand it.

Although with the shorts and blowing.. You can feel your battery getting hot. I would assume that if it were to start to get really really hot you would know something is wrong and your hand would start to burn from the heat, before it blew up.

The gauge of wire is important so you know what gauge of wire to buy if you need replacing.

If you use a thinner gauge, the sweet spot will be a higher ohm.