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[Saintscruiser]

Hebrews 4:12-13

King James Version (KJV)



12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

As you can see by two threads that had to be closed, I forgot a very valuable lesson......Hebrews 4:12. I personally didn't use Scripture in all of my posts. Jesus didn't discuss world events with satan. He spoke with Scripture. I've always thought people could be reasoned with. Sadly, no. That is why the world is like it is today. This is what Christians are up against. We try to open our hearts to others, giving them the true Cornerstone of our faith. MM, more than I got trashed. I went at it for 7 hours. We were invaded. Two people against 8 or more. Constant. I am glad no one else from here was posting. MM had to handle it after 3:30 p.m. yesterday, by choice, as I was no longer able to post, due to disabilities. I did contact MM and told him what was going on with me and he told me he could handle. This morning when I signed on, I had a request to delete. I said, "Enough." My last post was seen by ClassWife, who is the moderator of the Outside, and I thank her for her assistance. Her stepping in stopped me from contacting the board manager. Yeah, I'm new. Yeah, I couldn't post anymore yesterday. It was a physical impossibility. I wasn't trying to hide behind it, I was being truthful. As moderator, I have failed on many levels, but I have learned on other levels. Forgive me, guys. I truly apologize.


Hebrews 11:30

King James Version (KJV)

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

I think I would have rather walked around the walls of Jericho! If anyone has any problems in the future, contact me in a pm. I will handle it. I apologize for subjecting faithful members to this kind of behavior. I love you guys.

 

[blondeambition3]

Hebrews 4:12-13

King James Version (KJV)



12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

As you can see by two threads that had to be closed, I forgot a very valuable lesson......Hebrews 4:12. I personally didn't use Scripture in all of my posts. Jesus didn't discuss world events with satan. He spoke with Scripture. I've always thought people could be reasoned with. Sadly, no. That is why the world is like it is today. This is what Christians are up against. We try to open our hearts to others, giving them the true Cornerstone of our faith. MM, more than I got trashed. I went at it for 7 hours. We were invaded. Two people against 8 or more. Constant. I am glad no one else from here was posting. MM had to handle it after 3:30 p.m. yesterday, by choice, as I was no longer able to post, due to disabilities. I did contact MM and told him what was going on with me and he told me he could handle. This morning when I signed on, I had a request to delete. I said, "Enough." My last post was seen by ClassWife, who is the moderator of the Outside, and I thank her for her assistance. Her stepping in stopped me from contacting the board manager. Yeah, I'm new. Yeah, I couldn't post anymore yesterday. It was a physical impossibility. I wasn't trying to hide behind it, I was being truthful. As moderator, I have failed on many levels, but I have learned on other levels. Forgive me, guys. I truly apologize.


Hebrews 11:30

King James Version (KJV)

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

I think I would have rather walked around the walls of Jericho! If anyone has any problems in the future, contact me in a pm. I will handle it. I apologize for subjecting faithful members to this kind of behavior. I love you guys.

I feel for you Cuz....

Here is a Scripture that I pray will give you comfort:

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives to the death.

The War in Heaven

…Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. "And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. "For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time. -Rev 12: 10-12"

 

[blondeambition3]

What part of HER original question was picking a fight?

 

[blondeambition3]

After this, Jesus traveled around the country of Galilee. Jesus did not want to travel in Judea, because the Jewish leaders there wanted to kill him. — John 7:1

Key Thought:

Jesus stays away... at least for now... until the time is God's time. Jesus will not be hurried or rushed by the agenda of others. He follows God's timetable, not ours or his family's. He concentrated his work on places where there were many people who needed God's grace. He was wise and prudent when under pressure, but he didn't allow the threats to curtail his service. What a powerful message for us today; especially for those of us who sometimes find ourselves in horrible and challenging circumstances.

Today's Prayer:

Give me strength, O God, and a pure heart for my journey to you. Don't let me be deterred by those who would seek to dilute my faith or derail my sense of mission. At the same time, dear Father, please help me honor the people around me with respect. Give me wisdom to know how to honor those I should honor while still remaining true to you. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.

 

[mightymen]

Give me strength, O God, and a pure heart for my journey to you. Don't let me be deterred by those who would seek to dilute my faith or derail my sense of mission. At the same time, dear Father, please help me honor the people around me with respect. Give me wisdom to know how to honor those I should honor while still remaining true to you. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.

..... Amen

 

[Saintscruiser]

What part of HER original question was picking a fight?

I never corrected them, Cuz! It shouldn't have mattered. I figured if I said to them: I've been diagnosed with - fibromyalgia, interstital cystitis, glaucoma, restless leg syndrome, chronic fatigue, fibro headaches (comparable to migraines), nerve damage, shall I go on, because I can? They wouldn't have cared. We were insulted, ridiculed, laughed at, but that doesn't even touch on what they said directly about Almighty God.

Don't engage them. I'm about to delete that post. Sarvis has broken the rules of the board that Classwife re-posted. As I posted in my last post, (go and read mine and hers) I asked them all to leave....to go home....they aren't welcomed, and I will delete any future posts. I stand on it. Yes, it saddens me....more than they will ever know or understand. I did get a heartfelt apology through a pm, and I thanked this person for their graciousness. It doesn't matter who it was, but it really touched my heart.

 

[mightymen]

If I haven't learned this I should; for the battle is not mine but the Lords!

Ephesians Chapter 6 say’s

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

 

[sarvis]

I never corrected them, Cuz! It shouldn't have mattered. I figured if I said to them: I've been diagnosed with - fibromyalgia, interstital cystitis, glaucoma, restless leg syndrome, chronic fatigue, fibro headaches (comparable to migraines), nerve damage, shall I go on, because I can? They wouldn't have cared. We were insulted, ridiculed, laughed at, but that doesn't even touch on what they said directly about Almighty God.

Don't engage them. I'm about to delete that post. Sarvis has broken the rules of the board that Classwife re-posted. As I posted in my last post, (go and read mine and hers) I asked them all to leave....to go home....they aren't welcomed, and I will delete any future posts. I stand on it. Yes, it saddens me....more than they will ever know or understand. I did get a heartfelt apology through a pm, and I thanked this person for their graciousness. It doesn't matter who it was, but it really touched my heart.

I would add, sorry to hear about your illnesses. If you are interested, feel free to PM and I will explain to you (outside of the board, since I doubt it would be permitted) how my experiences with illness and disability were the final and irrefutable proof I needed to leave my old beliefs behind forever.

 

[blondeambition3]

The insulting comments towards non-believers. As I had said before, if those comments hadn't been made, surely no one would have posted. And a number of non-believers put substantial effort into explaining why they felt the comments were offensive.

There's nothing 'insulting' about Christian believers asking questions from a Christian viewpoint. It's a given. It isn't 'meant' to be insulting, it's genuine. I understand 'why' non-believers find it insulting, because I can 'imagine' their perspectives, but by the same token, respect should still accompany the response, and there were far more 'disrespectful' responses than 'neutral' ones. Tolerance is a two-way street. I can 'reject' your world views while not rejecting you. IF I 'share' GOD with someone who doesn't believe, I'm not rejecting them........nor do I feel rejected because of their disbelief. We politely agree to disagree and go our separate ways in Peace. Do we not?"

Additionally, the question sure reads like a direct appeal to answers from non-believers. To then take those answers, honestly given, and turn it around into supposed persecution, seems to be like "picking and starting a fight."

I read the thread, BOTH sides were acting equally persecuted, as is usually the case with 'intolerance' differences.

As a long time, but no more, Christian, I don't see anything in the above comments that I made, or elsewhere, that violates the forum rules. I don't see how asking for consideration towards non-believers is not coming from a "christian perspective", though Christianity surely doesn't have exclusive license to kindless. If I have violated them, please let me know where.

It just 'felt' like you were attempting to continue the hurtful no-win dialogue, forgive me if I got the wrong impression.

Oh yeah - true fact - in US English, the masculine pronoun is often used in a gender-neutral way, say when the gender of someone is unknown.

I beg your pardon. Point made and received. I was questioning your motives, not you as a Person.

 

[blondeambition3]

Here's an Article I think we all can benefit from reading;

Three Elements of Tolerance

Many people are confused about what tolerance is. According to Webster's New World Dictionary, Second College Edition, the word tolerate means to allow or to permit, to recognize and respect others' beliefs and practices without sharing them, to bear or put up with someone or something not necessarily liked.

Tolerance, then, involves three elements: (1) permitting or allowing (2) a conduct or point of view one disagrees with (3) while respecting the person in the process.

Notice that we can't tolerate someone unless we disagree with him. This is critical. We don't "tolerate" people who share our views. They're on our side. There's nothing to put up with. Tolerance is reserved for those we think are wrong.

This essential element of tolerance--disagreement--has been completely lost in the modern distortion of the concept. Nowadays, if you think someone is wrong, you're called intolerant.

This presents a curious problem. One must first think another is wrong in order to exercise tolerance toward him, yet doing so brings the accusation of intolerance. It's a "Catch-22." According to this approach, true tolerance is impossible.

..... Anyone interested is free to read the entire Article here;

The Intolerance of Tolerance: Apologetics on CBN.com

 

[blondeambition3]

If I haven't learned this I should; for the battle is not mine but the Lords!

Ephesians Chapter 6 say’s

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

I am ((((Praying)))) in the Spirit and I close with, "In Christ's precious name we pray, Amen"

Christ's blessings to you always mightymen!

 

[Saintscruiser]

Thanks, I appreciate the clarification. Seems we are both on similar pages here.

My guess is I (and everyone else) will have to refrain from this discussion from now on... here. I'd encourage this subforum, if you all are truly interested in the question of how non-believers cope, to take the issue to a space where discussion is more free. The initial question is worthy, and the variety of answers may prove instructive for both Christians and non-Christians, so it would be nice if it were allowed to happen somewhere.

Oh yeah - thanks for re-quoting my entire post too, so everyone else can determine if I was causing "disruption and not following rules of owner of board". ; ) I really tried not to, but I guess not everyone agreed...

Sarvis, you are off topic. That is not what this thread is about. It's the Moderator talking to the members of this board. This past weekend won't happen again. But also notice I didn't delete all of your posts.

Now, as a poster of this board, I did send you another pm stating that I'm interested in talking with you in the pm section. Just one on one. The ball's in your court.

 

[Saintscruiser]

Yes, I have already replied to you, and will consider this closed with no further discussion required nor desired here or in PM.

Like I said, if you want to have a discussion on your initial topic, including answering the unanswered questions I - and others - had for you, feel free to open it in a fair forum.

Why don't you post a question in the Outside? I thought it was freely discussed there. I don't post there, but maybe someone else does.

 

[Saintscruiser]

Romans 8:28

King James Version (KJV)
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.


Cliches' bug the stew out of me. "Well, you know God has a plan" or"God doesn't put more on us than we can stand" or "Well, they lived a long life" or looking in a casket and saying, "Oh they look so natural." No they don't. It helps no one. A simple, "I am so very sorry. What can I do to help" does so much more good. (I remember one lady described my daddy as larger than life. Now that one I liked!) Or, a hug or just crying with them.

Now Christians deal with adversity in two ways. They grieve or deal with the problem as best as they can, depending on God for help and comfort and we grow in faith (maybe not immediately, but give it time) or they become bitter and cold towards God and man. Prayer works. If the Lord lays someone on your heart to pray for or call, do it then. Don't wait until it's convenient because you may forget it, like me. We get busy and things slip our minds. And yes, I'm talking to myself, too!

I am now putting soapbox back up under the bed where more dust bunnies can play on it!

 

[sarvis]

Why don't you post a question in the Outside? I thought it was freely discussed there. I don't post there, but maybe someone else does.

Because it's your question, not mine. I already know how non-believers cope. ; )

 

[Saintscruiser]

I now know that I didn't put the question as plainly as I meant it.

For myself, apart from the Bible, I have proof to offer those who are not saved. But that proof doesn't translate to others as these things didn't happen to them. The proof of God's rainbow, to never flood the earth again, hasn't been broken. I see God in the eco balance of the world. I see God in nature. I see God's Hand in everything. But that is what I see, not someone else. I see God's Hand in prophesy, such as Israel becoming a recognized nation in May 1948. When that happened, people who know Scripture better than I do, dropped their teeth. Before that, people didn't know when that would ever happen. It was prophecy fulfilled. The earth's position in the universe.... 2 degrees closer, we would be burned by the sun. Two degrees further back, we would freeze. That is a scientific fact. Earth is perfectly placed in the universe. These things tell me there is a God. But He also gave his us free will. People can choose to believe or not. He will not push Himself on anyone.

He will communicate with you. I heard His voice (not audibly) before I moved back to my hometown. It was a choice I made to move back. I heard Him say, "You realize you're going to have to face Me when you move back." I answered, "I know." Then I went to sleep. A little over a month after I moved back, I got saved. Again, these are things that happened only to me. My teenage son said, "Mom, you didn't turn over a new leaf, you planted a whole new tree!"