I remember when the local news only was on for an hour (or was it half an hour?) at night, then the national news after. Now the local news is on for two flipping hours(!). They have to fill the time with sensationalism to grab an audience. Bah!
Local news Fear-Mongering electronic cigarettes...
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I think this was what led to my original annoyance.
The points mentioned above, as well as people Overdoing it with nicotine are (Extremely) relevant to an objective and informative report on -why- these Poison Control Centers are receiving ANY CALLS AT ALL in relation to eliquid.
"Journalism is a method of inquiry and literary style used in social and cultural representation. It serves the purpose of playing the role of a public service machinery in the dissemination and analysis of news and information. Journalistic integrity is based on the principles of truth, accuracy and factual knowledge."
Truth is - unless you are a "perfect" Vaper, you have probably made yourself feel a bit queasy at LEAST once by over-vaping and/or using liquid with a higher nic level than your body chemistry is comfortable with.
Not to mention what a whacko feeling one can get when accidentally getting some straight liquid absorbed through the skin or spit into yer mouth by yer device.
I don't think there's any conspiratorial behavior at play, necessarily (but it's Always a Possibility
).I'm just sayin that these "reporters" spoon-feeding the mindless, all-believing types in the world who -strangely- count on the "reporters" to feed them Factual Information are Not Doing So in this case.
And it's a shame, because I believe these e-cigs (eGo's, APV's, whatever) have saved a Great Deal of potential Pain and Suffering to those of us that HAVE made the switch...
and "reports" like this plant the seed of -Fear- in the minds of all those who surround us... and Most Definitely deter many who might otherwise be inclined to walk away from the Undeniable Toxicity of Big tobacco.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
- Frank Herbert
The Poison control center is a joke in its self. I did a YouTube DIY safety a long time ago I tried to calling them to find out all of the particulars that could happen to you from a mishap like splashing 100mg in your eyes, spilling a bottle in your lap ect.... I spent hours calling and being passed around no one would tell me any thing I finally gave up!. Its yet another gooberment mismanaged worthless wast of money agency.
Haha!
Yeah, I ran into a situation with them a few years back when my brother did too much nitrous and I spent about 2 hours with them on the phone in a panic as I drove the 4 hours to come to his aid.
(unfortunately I was too late & he stripped naked and walked down to the gas station near his house
& got locked-up in the looney bin for a couple days)They did a good job of instilling fear, but in hindsight gave me Zero Factual Helpful info.
I know... t.m.i. ... but it was an open door.
Had to walk through it.
@SmokieTreats:
great posting!
Dear, that is precisely the purpose of such "reporting".
FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. The best method to control the masses, now that religion can no longer be used for that in much of the Western world.
Of course they are trying to frighten people away from trying e-cigs. E-cig users do not buy the products from Big Tobacco and Big Pharma, and they do not pay tobacco taxes to Big Government.
I have seen it happen in my country as well.
great posting!
Dear, that is precisely the purpose of such "reporting".
FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. The best method to control the masses, now that religion can no longer be used for that in much of the Western world.
Of course they are trying to frighten people away from trying e-cigs. E-cig users do not buy the products from Big Tobacco and Big Pharma, and they do not pay tobacco taxes to Big Government.
I have seen it happen in my country as well.
Exactly.
It's unfortunate that SO MANY PEOPLE are so easily manipulated by "FUD".
That was George W. Bush's glorious tactic as well with his foolish (like ALL things out of his mouth) statements about the "Axis of Evil".
I certainly agree that the story was poorly handled and nearly absent any detail. Intentionally to screw e-cigs? Maybe, but it could be just sloppy, lazy journalism. That is what passes for reporting these days. I doubt the pukes at the news desk really care one way or the other about vaping. They are simply repackaging the blurb, I suspect. They certainly suck, but I think the suckiness may lack malicious intent.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
Haha!
Yeah, I ran into a situation with them a few years back when my brother did too much nitrous and I spent about 2 hours with them on the phone in a panic as I drove the 4 hours to come to his aid.
(unfortunately I was too late & he stripped naked and walked down to the gas station near his house
They did a good job of instilling fear, but in hindsight gave me Zero Factual Helpful info.
I know... t.m.i. ... but it was an open door.
Had to walk through it.
if it were my brother, that story would never get old. well, for me. he'd never live it down.
Ah, I see you're new here...Does this bother anyone else as much as it bothers me???
Yes, it bothers all of us as much as it bothers you.
I'd like to tell you that you will get used to it, but you won't.
In fact, you're likely to get more and more ...... off as you find out what's really going on here.
oh how true,,,,,,,,,,,,,great quote! Never heard it before, but it makes total sense.
I can see where people would get sick from it. Similar to over excess of drinking. Person comes up with 24mg liquid and gives it to a drinking buddy or heck just a buddy and says this stuff will work. Guy chain vapes it and gets sick. There are people out there that when their body tells them they have enough nic they don't listen.
I find it very easy to chain vape.
Strange they went to a poison control center though, instead of seeing a family practitioner. Must have been bad.
I find it very easy to chain vape.
Strange they went to a poison control center though, instead of seeing a family practitioner. Must have been bad.
Sigh... bet there was an ad for Chantix at the break.
Still someone should write to them and ask for more - did the reporter follow up on the claims about "throughout the country" or with the local poison center? Did they do any research for the story, or just pick up and repeat script-like whatever PR that is they parroted? (actually shouldn't be snarky; just earnest )
I've setup a Google alert for electronic cigarettes and you wouldn't believe how exactly worded all these reports are; shows up the media for the shills they are....
Still someone should write to them and ask for more - did the reporter follow up on the claims about "throughout the country" or with the local poison center? Did they do any research for the story, or just pick up and repeat script-like whatever PR that is they parroted? (actually shouldn't be snarky; just earnest
)I've setup a Google alert for electronic cigarettes and you wouldn't believe how exactly worded all these reports are; shows up the media for the shills they are....
Cinnamaldehyde has shut people's throats up enough that they've gone to A&E.
The story, as stated, doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...212870-do-you-vape-cinnamon-flavors-read.html
The story, as stated, doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...212870-do-you-vape-cinnamon-flavors-read.html
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You get a like for your new avatar,,,,,,,,,,Holly.
I gave her one, too.
The news stories involving electronic cigarettes always seem to emphasize the "unknown dangers". In the stories I've read, these kinds of "unknown danger" statements usually seem linked to quotes or interviews with people who are against electronic cigarettes who also like to emphasize the unknown dangers. Most of these people are either either actual members of non-smoking groups or academics with some kind of anti-smoking pedigree. I don't think these people are reacting out of pure financial cynicism, the idea that if analogs grow unpopular they will lose funding or jobs, I just think they're so rabidly anti-smoking that anything that looks like smoking must be smoking.
I find more than a little good old-fashioned American puritanism in the fear mongering about "unknown dangers" -- if they're enjoyable, they must somehow be bad for you, and since we don't really know if they are bad for you we should just assume that they are bad for you, because, they, something enjoyable is supposed to be bad for you. There is no redemption without suffering.
I don't know, but I'm sure they will find something "bad" about e-cigs. It just stands to reason that mass-produced parts from China which are used to create an inhalable vapor will produce traces of SOMETHING bad, whether its trace heavy metals or some other chemical which is "bad" for you. The same is true of various juices -- there's a lot of mom and pop kitchen chemistry going on and production processes for flavorings and extracts which probably aren't at FDA-regulated standards.
Of course none of this says anything about the relative risk levels next to actual analogs or even relative to spending quality time in front of a smokey bonfire, but I'm sure whatever these risks turn out to be will be used to bludgeon e-cigs as dangerous.
As for the local media and accuracy, I don't put a lot of stock in local journalism. Local TV journalism really isn't very good; print journalism is probably better but given the nature of deadlines and the withering print news business, even good journalists lack the time relative to deadlines and expanded workloads to do anything relative to actual research or critical thinking. A couple of quotes from people opposed to it and some semi-factual statements reiterating that and you have an article.
I find more than a little good old-fashioned American puritanism in the fear mongering about "unknown dangers" -- if they're enjoyable, they must somehow be bad for you, and since we don't really know if they are bad for you we should just assume that they are bad for you, because, they, something enjoyable is supposed to be bad for you. There is no redemption without suffering.
I don't know, but I'm sure they will find something "bad" about e-cigs. It just stands to reason that mass-produced parts from China which are used to create an inhalable vapor will produce traces of SOMETHING bad, whether its trace heavy metals or some other chemical which is "bad" for you. The same is true of various juices -- there's a lot of mom and pop kitchen chemistry going on and production processes for flavorings and extracts which probably aren't at FDA-regulated standards.
Of course none of this says anything about the relative risk levels next to actual analogs or even relative to spending quality time in front of a smokey bonfire, but I'm sure whatever these risks turn out to be will be used to bludgeon e-cigs as dangerous.
As for the local media and accuracy, I don't put a lot of stock in local journalism. Local TV journalism really isn't very good; print journalism is probably better but given the nature of deadlines and the withering print news business, even good journalists lack the time relative to deadlines and expanded workloads to do anything relative to actual research or critical thinking. A couple of quotes from people opposed to it and some semi-factual statements reiterating that and you have an article.
basically the calls went from 9 one to 33 the next.
that's a 360% increase .that's out of many thousands of calls.
fear and dread regards,
mike
that's a 360% increase .that's out of many thousands of calls.
fear and dread regards,
mike
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