Long Draw keeps getting burnt taste

[Roary]

Pretty new here but not new to the idea. In my most recent escapade of trying to quit smoking, I decided to forego the cheap 505 style and went directly with the Riva (Ego Style). I outgrew that in about 3 weeks and decided to try my first mod.

So I picked up a Silver Bullet running stacked RCR123a LifePO4e's. I'm aware of the increased risk from stacking, and honestly am thinking of picking up a single battery to bring the voltage down some. So with my kit I got a tank with punched boge carto 3 ohm.

With that said, I am long hard puller. With the carto I found that I was pulling it dry continuously and then having to top off the carto with 3-4 drops every couple of pulls.

So I decided to try the Vivi Nova2. I was assured that you could pull on it long and hard if you had it properly filled and after each pull you rolled it a couple of times. So barely 12 hours after I got it, it pops on me. Now before it popped, it would not keep fluid in the coil for nothing. I would even roll it for a couple of minutes and then top the coil off with a drop or two on top between each pull.

So needless to say I'm a little dissapointed in both and was wondering what the next step you would take if you were in my position. I'm using a 70/30 P/V mix so it's not overly thick so it shouldn't be that.

I didn't buy the provari because of the price point, and the SB was one of the few I could get my hands on locally and it felt like it was solidly made and could handle the abuse I can sometimes dish out. So really I am looking for advice on tank systems to use with my SB. Thanks for all the help and ideas in advance!

 

[nilbog]

The SB is supposed to be used with a single 18650 battery and stacking could (and has proved to be be dangerous not trying to preach but just don't want to see someone get hurt. Altsmoke has on their website specifically not to stack batts.

With a 3.0ohm cartomizer though and 70/30 liquid however, you shouldn't be getting burnt hits. But once you burn a carto it's gone. You will continue to get that burnt taste no matter what. They are disposable since you can get about 5 for 5 bucks. You can punch your own holes too with a saddle valve you can get at home depot for 6 bucks and find videos on how to do this on YouTube. I love my Boge 3.0 and I can hit it for 3-4 seconds over and over without getting a dry hit at 5+ volts. Maybe a bad carto in your tank setup you bought? Or you burnt it. Have you tried other cartomizers? I mean having to drip a couple drops in a cartomizer every couple hits? You are really sucking that thing dude!

I love my Vivi Nova 2.5. I do get a dry hit from time to time but I can tell when it's happening and I know to not take a huge hit so I won't get nasty dry TH burn. It is weird though. I can spin it and spin it and plenty of liquid and all of the sudden after 20 good tasty vapor filled hits, I get a couple of dry ones. It does get better after you go through a couple of tanks and the dry hits are not a big deal for me since they are rare. Dont' give up though. There are a ton of options out there. Buy a 510 atomizer and drip a couple drops for instance.

 

[NancyR]

The vivi nova does have a break in time, tho I notice less problems now that I am using cotton wicks vers the what comes with it.

You didn't say what ohms you where using for carto or the vivi nova's head, you might have them too low for having the stacked batteries, in which case it will burn the juice.

 

[manimal]

I think that 6 volts is a little high for a 3 ohm carto. it would be fine for a 2.5 to 3.0 ohm atty though. that filler material in the carto burns very easily. also, if you acquired the boges recently yo may be suffering from their recent drop in quality control.

 

[Roary]

The SB is supposed to be used with a single 18650 battery and stacking could (and has proved to be be dangerous not trying to preach but just don't want to see someone get hurt. Altsmoke has on their website specifically not to stack batts.

With a 3.0ohm cartomizer though and 70/30 liquid however, you shouldn't be getting burnt hits. But once you burn a carto it's gone. You will continue to get that burnt taste no matter what. They are disposable since you can get about 5 for 5 bucks. You can punch your own holes too with a saddle valve you can get at home depot for 6 bucks and find videos on how to do this on YouTube. I love my Boge 3.0 and I can hit it for 3-4 seconds over and over without getting a dry hit at 5+ volts. Maybe a bad carto in your tank setup you bought? Or you burnt it. Have you tried other cartomizers? I mean having to drip a couple drops in a cartomizer every couple hits? You are really sucking that thing dude!

I love my Vivi Nova 2.5. I do get a dry hit from time to time but I can tell when it's happening and I know to not take a huge hit so I won't get nasty dry TH burn. It is weird though. I can spin it and spin it and plenty of liquid and all of the sudden after 20 good tasty vapor filled hits, I get a couple of dry ones. It does get better after you go through a couple of tanks and the dry hits are not a big deal for me since they are rare. Dont' give up though. There are a ton of options out there. Buy a 510 atomizer and drip a couple drops for instance.

Ok, I will get the single 18650 and maybe a kick so that I can adjust the voltage as I like it. I appreciate the advice even though you didn't want to preach

Yes, a couple of drops I would say every three maybe four hits. Just depends on how hard I hit it. But yes, I do pull long and hard (really like the TH it gives me) plus I'm a bigger guy. I have tried to shorten my hits, but it seems like when I do, I never get the satisfaction.

Ok, I will get a couple more cartomizers and see if I can mod them a bit to stay a little wetter longer. And no, I've only tried the one boge 3.0 so I guess I will have to try more.

I'm not giving up by any means, just trying to ask others opinions a little more so I don't spend needless money!

 

[Roary]

The vivi nova does have a break in time, tho I notice less problems now that I am using cotton wicks vers the what comes with it.

You didn't say what ohms you where using for carto or the vivi nova's head, you might have them too low for having the stacked batteries, in which case it will burn the juice.

Sorry Nancy, the carto was 3ohm and the vivi nova was 2.8. I think I was burning the vivi a little too hot, hence why it popped but not entirely sure.

 

[Roary]

I think that 6 volts is a little high for a 3 ohm carto. it would be fine for a 2.5 to 3.0 ohm atty though. that filler material in the carto burns very easily. also, if you acquired the boges recently yo may be suffering from their recent drop in quality control.

Yes, I did acquire the boge recently. My local shop is supposed to have a different brand coming in shortly that is supposed to have the QC that the original boge's were known for, so we shall see. I haven't seen any carto's that were higher than 3ohm, are there any?

 

[Fiamma]

I vape a bunch of different devices, one of them a Silver Bullet with 18650 and a kick in it. I routinely use DCT tanks with Smoktech single punched dual coil cartos, 1.7 ohm or so.

My juice is thicker than yours I use a 50/50 mix. I do not ever get a dry hit in a carto as you describe. You don't say how you fill the cartos and the tank, you don't say if you see bubbles coming into the tank from the carto as it recharges from the tank etc, so I don't know what to have you try.

 

[Roary]

I vape a bunch of different devices, one of them a Silver Bullet with 18650 and a kick in it. I routinely use DCT tanks with Smoktech single punched dual coil cartos, 1.7 ohm or so.

My juice is thicker than yours I use a 50/50 mix. I do not ever get a dry hit in a carto as you describe. You don't say how you fill the cartos and the tank, you don't say if you see bubbles coming into the tank from the carto as it recharges from the tank etc, so I don't know what to have you try.

Good points Fiamma! I only see bubbles when I am pre-vaping. I normally inhale even harder than I normally pull when I am priming (once it starts to dry on me) and that is when I see bubbles. But usually by then, it's running out the bottom and puddling around the bottom of the carto. This is also when I get the best hits, when it has that extra puddle to pull from. Once it has puddled, I can get two sometimes three normal (for me) hits before it starts to dry a little bit.

Originally, I fill the carto when it is in the tank. I use my needle point bottle and go around the edges gently squeezing in juice until the top is saturated. Then I wait 2-5 minutes until the top "appears" dry and do it again. Rinse and repeat until about twenty minutes has passed. By then it normally does not take absorb any more juice.

My tank has a side port on it, so normally just fill it from there until about 3/4 full and then replace the plug.

 

[nilbog]

Good points Fiamma! I only see bubbles when I am pre-vaping. I normally inhale even harder than I normally pull when I am priming (once it starts to dry on me) and that is when I see bubbles. But usually by then, it's running out the bottom and puddling around the bottom of the carto. This is also when I get the best hits, when it has that extra puddle to pull from. Once it has puddled, I can get two sometimes three normal (for me) hits before it starts to dry a little bit.

Originally, I fill the carto when it is in the tank. I use my needle point bottle and go around the edges gently squeezing in juice until the top is saturated. Then I wait 2-5 minutes until the top "appears" dry and do it again. Rinse and repeat until about twenty minutes has passed. By then it normally does not take absorb any more juice.

My tank has a side port on it, so normally just fill it from there until about 3/4 full and then replace the plug.

You might want to try the cap or condom fill method for your cartomizers before you put it in the tank. This fills the carto from the bottom and thus you know the juice is down there on the coils and you aren't going to burn it up. Dripping can take a while to seep down. Or you could just use your needle cap to push down in there I don't like doing this though cuz I feel like I'm screwing up the poly-fill with the needle. If you aren't filling the carto before putting it in the tank that could be a problem. Especially if you have a pre-punched carto those holes are usually smaller than what I will make with the saddle valve and takes longer to seep in and more to pull the juice inside the carto when your hitting it. You should see some bubbles. GrimmGreen just posted a good video on how to punch your own cartos with the $7 saddle valve. I would wait maybe 15 minutes after your initial fill before you start vaping just to be safe.

 

[Fiamma]

You should not have puddling at the bottom of the carto. It should not leak like that. That is usually indicative of a flooded carto. Do you hear a gurgling sound? Pulling too hard and too fast will flood them. Or the inner o ring in the tank may be damaged.

I see bubbles in my tank every time I draw on my drip tip. Tanks work on a pressure system. When you draw on the drip tip from the carto as you fire the button, the coil produces vapor for you to inhale and juice is sucked into the carto thru the punched hole. Air bubbles escape to again equalize the pressure. You don't need to prime them like a dripping atty.

I syringe fill my cartos initially and they take a ml or so of juice. Then it goes into the tank with a tank tool on top to avoid damaging the o ring, gets pushed up far enough for me to fill the tank 3/4 full and then gets pushed the rest of the way up thru the top cap. Tank tool comes off, drip tip goes on, tank/carto gets screwed onto my device.

I never have to top off a carto in the tank. I refill the tank when it gets down to just above the punched hole. You need to keep that hole covered with juice at all times.

Perhaps you should practice a different draw.

 

[Roary]

Yes, I do hear a gurgling sound from time to time. I am going to get a few more carto's and experiment with them, they are cheap enough that it's not hard to do.

So in the mean time, I stuck the 1.8 head in my vivi nova and put it on my Riva battery and that is performing pretty well, even if it runs the batteries down pretty quickly.

In a couple of days I'll be able to go by the shop and get a single battery for my SB, plus some carto's and a few replacement heads for my Vivi plus some more juice. Thanks for all the help and advice!

 

[JaneinMesa]

I'm using an SLB KGO (volts 3.8 - 4.0+) with Boge LR 2.0 ohm cart and Joye LR 510 1.5 ohm atomizer and I notice the same thing. It seems like it's burning too hot on a long draw? I haven't noticed it happening with the Ego Mega Dual Coil Cart (1.6 ohm). So it's not the ohms? Must be can't get enough juice for a long draw? I'm new to this. (Using 40%PG/60%VG Vanilla Malt ECBlend juice) though I've noticed it with the 50%/50% juices, too. Is it the volts, resistance, ohms, ?????????

 

[Fiamma]

Anything marked LR is going to give you a MUCH warmer vape. You say 'burning too hot' and I don't understand exactly what you mean. Are you getting a burned taste OR is it just the very warm vapor.

 

[JaneinMesa]

Burned taste.

 

[Fiamma]

Atomizer is dry if you get a burned taste from it. You have to keep them wet, especially when LR. Get a drip shield for it so you can keep more juice in it and top it off after 3 or 4 draws. The drip shield will keep it from leaking out onto the device.

Cartos, especially the Boges these days are being reported all over the place for bad and burning taste. Again if it's not kept very wet, any carto is going to taste burned cause the filler burns when there is not enough juice to vaporize. Initial fill on a carto should look slushy on top after several minutes have passed. Fill it and let it sit a few before you vape on it. Then keep topping it off. If you use it inside a tank it's easier to keep it wet, but then you need a tank and punched cartos or punch your own.

 

[JaneinMesa]

I didn't realize I had to top them off so often. Guess that's why I like the tank. Thank you.

 

[Strigoi]

Perhaps you should practice a different draw.

I think that would definitely help and was the first thing I thought of when reading the original post.

 

[Roary]

So it's been 8 days since my last post and here are a few things I've done and found.

First, I have changed the way I inhale. I've found that I don't have to inhale as long to get the same flavor, taste, or satisfaction. So shorter, harder inhale has made a definite difference.

Secondly I picked up some more punched carto's and a few 2.8 heads for my Vivi Nova. I found, that the carto's (for me) seem to work better with a lighter flavor (Caramel Apple) or a flavor more likely to burn (cinnamon's) my mouth. But the Vivi 2.8 worked better for a heavier or fuller flavor such as RY4 as it does burn hotter. The richer flavor of the RY4 seems to cover up the smaller hints of burnt when the head gets a little bit dry on the Vivi.

Now remember that I'm still running this at 6 volts on my SB. So I'm definitely a little higher up in wattage than most people. But since I have made the switch, mainly with how I inhale, but also with the flavor type coupled with the hardware, I am not burning my taste buds (yes literally lol) with the vapor. So this is definitely not a very large test, nor a very scientific one, but I am going to continue to carry it further and see if it continues to hold true. Next month sometime I will be picking up some type of VV along the lines of the Pro Vari or LT so I should be able to eliminate the different head hardware for the most part and then just decide what works best.

Thanks for all the advice and Jane you will get there and figure out what works best and tastes best for you. Try Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes, USA made E Juice, and Accessories as I have yet to find any juices that I didn't like.

 

[tj99959]

2.8ohm head in a nova isn't going to work at 6v, it was never meant to. Works pretty well at 4v tho'.
I'll also second the warning about stacking batteries. A few years back that was the only choice we had if we wanted more than 3.7v, but those days are long past. There are now an abundance of options that are both safer, and work better. I use a kick in my SB.