Looking for a ecig LiMn or NiMh

[Icey]

I want to start ditching the use of Li-ion batteries... Where can find ecig batteries that are LiMn-NiMh batteries?

 

[Cynder]

http://www.lighthound.com/AW-IMR-14500-LiMN-Rechargeable-Lithium-Battery_p_3644.html

do you mean the AW IMR's?

 

[Icey]

Hmm nah that's not it. I'm looking for ecig battery (ego for example) that has an LIMh-NiMn battery inside.

 

[Caridwen]

Moving to battery issues

 

[Icey]

Moving to battery issues

Battery issues? It's not an issue, I'm looking for a different cell battery inside the ego or whatever vendor that can offer.

 

[ITPython]

I think there is some mods out that that can utilize several (would say at least 3-4 minimum) NiMh batteries in series to bump up the voltage. But whatever you get that utilizes NiMh would likely be pretty big cause attys like higher voltage and single NiMh batts are only ~1.2v at full charge. With 3 or 4 NiMh batts in series you would get between 3.6 and 4.8 volts, but that would be a pretty hefty sized mod!

 

[Icey]

I think there is some mods out that that can utilize several (would say at least 3-4 minimum) NiMh batteries in series to bump up the voltage. But whatever you get that utilizes NiMh would likely be pretty big cause attys like higher voltage and single NiMh batts are only ~1.2v at full charge. With 3 or 4 NiMh batts in series you would get between 3.6 and 4.8 volts, but that would be a pretty hefty sized mod!

Well here's the thing, friend. Changing an ecig is almost like having life changes. I want to be settled with one and be on my way. All the technological stuff me a few of us have read is enough to rip ecig bottles to death. but, of course don't take this the wrong way. I was very happy with the T-ego 1000mah.

Now, I am stuck between making a decision buying the 5v wow mod (which I was happy to see it takes NiMh batteries or protected ones) or a non mod ecig that is manufactured with NiMh or LiMn batteries inside.

 

[ITPython]

I would also be curious to see what is out there in regards to NiMh battery technology. I have high quality AW protected li-ions and a very safe charger, but despite all that there is still an underlying risk involved when using them. NiMh are pretty safe, I think they might be one of the safest rechargeable battery chemistry's out there (although don't quote me on that).

I think I may do some searching to see what I can find.

 

[Icey]

I would also be curious to see what is out there in regards to NiMh battery technology. I have high quality AW protected li-ions and a very safe charger, but despite all that there is still an underlying risk involved when using them. NiMh are pretty safe, I think they might be one of the safest rechargeable battery chemistry's out there (although don't quote me on that).

I think I may do some searching to see what I can find.

You are correct. The NiMh is safe based on the ECF safety guide FaQ about it (boy did I take some time reading that). But so far, only mod I have my heart set on is the 5v wow mod and it's a 5v (who would complain? More vapor from a friggin 5v!). Unless another mod out there reputable that takes NiMh battery, or an ego.

I shake your hand over the internet for helping!

 

[Cynder]

oh okies I gotcha if I come across anything I'll let you know

 

[Stubby]

I would also be curious to see what is out there in regards to NiMh battery technology. I have high quality AW protected li-ions and a very safe charger, but despite all that there is still an underlying risk involved when using them. NiMh are pretty safe, I think they might be one of the safest rechargeable battery chemistry's out there (although don't quote me on that).

I think I may do some searching to see what I can find.

I am certainly no battery expert but I have been using the Sanyo eneloop AA and AAAs for years. I have lots of them as I use them for flashlights, bike lights, wireless mouse and keyboard, my Pentax SLR camera, remote controls, and more. It's one of the better rechargeables out there. Perhaps someone that can actually understand this stuff can go through their technical data.

SANYO eneloop | Ready to use Rechargeable Battery - The only battery you will ever need

From what I can understand (which is limited) they appear to have a very good output rate, better them most AA batteries. That would be needed for e-cigs. The new eneloops are rated for up to 1500 recharges so in the long run would be very economical. The question would be wether they have enough gas to meet the demands of attys etc.

 

[Icey]

Any luck, mate?

 

[Semiretired]

There is a tutorial on the forum on how to build a standard NIMH PV - it is the only thing that I know of that takes standard non - Lithium style rechargeable batts, but I do not know of one commercially available. If you want to take a look - do a search on the Puck.

 

[Stubby]

This is the thread on the Puck which uses 4 AAA NiMh

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/105465-now-puck-cheap-parts-easy.html

He also put up a sight with instructions on how to make one.

The PUCK e-Cig Mod - An e-Cigarette Box Mod You Can Build Cheap and Easy and Uses Standard Rechargable Batteries

As far as I know no one is making a NiMh to be sold on the open market, but perhaps that will change with all the resent issues with lithiums. It seems simple enough, but as I don't even own a soldering gun or a drill its beyond me.

 

[Icey]

I'm good. I'm not messing with that stuff. I just want to buy an already ready to go ecig with a safer battery.

 

[PVPuff&Stuff]

Interesting post, thanks OP. Looks like that material has been on the way out (in favor of the lithium cells) for years now...not sure if this would be something you'd see mass produced in a small ecig. Snagged from wiki...

About 22% of portable rechargeable batteries sold in Japan in 2010 were nickel–metal hydride.[5] In Switzerland in 2009, the equivalent statistic was approximately 60%.[6] This percentage has fallen over time due to the increase in manufacture of lithium ion batteries: in 2000, almost half of all portable rechargeable batteries sold in Japan were nickel–metal hydride.[5]
Because non-LSDs do not have an ... separator, they are cheaper to manufacture than LSDs, yet most are offered at about the same price as LSDs and are marketed as "high capacity" or "ultra high capacity" NiMH batteries. While "high capacity" versions may have an extra 20% in initial capacity (compared to LSDs), this is negated by much higher internal resistance (especially in high drain situations) than LSDs and much higher self discharge rates (20% or more in first 24 hours, plus 4% per day thereafter). This energy wasted on heat and self discharge means these batteries require significant extra recharging which reduces overall battery life.

 

[Icey]

So pretty much I'm stuck with either a T-ego Litium, or start using using a mod with protected/Ni-mh batteries?

 

[PVPuff&Stuff]

It appears that way, but you may have found your niche in the market if you can get them produced.

 

[Icey]

Aren't the T-egp joy products made with protected batteries?

 

[Stubby]

Interesting post, thanks OP. Looks like that material has been on the way out (in favor of the lithium cells) for years now...not sure if this would be something you'd see mass produced in a small ecig. Snagged from wiki...

NiHm is not on the way out as you stated. The reason lithium numbers are increasing is because of the greatly increased use of cell phones, iPods etc. I'm guessing they are being counted as potable batteries. When you get away from those types of devices I very much doubt the number of off the shelf lithiums as in AWs' and the rest comes even remotely close to what is being sold in NiMh AA and AAA batteries.

Lithium batteries do have less resistance then NiMh so work well with the high demand of e-cigs, especially low resistance which NiMh does not handle well because it demands very low resistance batteries. But for higher resistance NiMh can work just as well if not better then Lithium. You can easily and safely stack 4 or 5 AAA batteries and get the high voltage needed for HR with little strain on the batteries.